So to many peoples frustration the Militia Shotgun is incredibly game breaking. The rate of fire coupled with the insanely high alpha makes this weapon currently too strong to be free. In any given game right now IGÇÖm seeing a huge portion of players using nothing but the Militia shotgun (SG). The gun currently kills most suits in 1 hit. This 1 hit kill isnGÇÖt restricted to militia suits either. This makes the game boring because it is simply not viable or efficient to use suits that go splat after 1 hit. The suits that can take more than one hit are so ungodly expensive that it just isnGÇÖt cost effective to use to simply kill a guy in a militia fit. This also means more and more people are going to stay put in suits that are free giving the shot gun an even easier time. Part of the problem with it is that you have scouts with high speed bunny hopping around to close gaps then simply putting a single shot in for the kill. The gap is also not that big of one. IGÇÖve had many cases of shot gun killing at ranges where it shouldnGÇÖt have been doing full alpha damage. Many maps offer such close quarter combat that the shot gun is simply over powering the terrain. It sucks to die to one hit from a gun running circles and jumping like a rabbit around you. The gun needs it alpha cut by 50% and have the rate of fire halved, and ranged halved, for something that is free. Start with that and work your way to something that is balanced currently it is making the incentive to move to other gear mote and pointless.

Militia Grenades, again it is a case of a weapon that does too much damage for being free.

Militia Sniper Rifle, again another case of weapon killing in one shot from INSANE distances for free. Yes this one requires a little more skill to use, and some vest skill points, but it is kills other militia fits in one hit.

This isnGÇÖt a whine I want people to discuss this and post constructive conversational posts.

how to avoid shotgun deaths:
1) Situational awareness (From behind)
2) Kill the person with the shotgun before they can get close.
3) Keep moving (backwards)

how to avoid grenade deaths:
1) Situational awareness (From below)
2) Keep moving (away from the grenade)
3) Cover

how to avoid sniper deaths:
1) Situational awareness (From above)
2) Keep moving (sideways)
3) Cover

lol i remember killing you
and perhaps you should learn to figth shot guns they are worthless past 20m
in all seriousness shot guns are op but they arnt op from damage they are op from the fact that spread is reduced i think something else should be buffed from the skill fire rate or ammo storage would be much better
but any one getting close enough to shotgun should die in one hit

Your situational awareness is all nice and dandy. But in cases where they are behind you....

Also moving back wards you are like to put yourself into a corner.

Moving backwards doesn't help a lot because your move speed going back is so slow, and the scout charging you strafing is gonna grab ya.

So let me get this straight,

it is your opinion that in this game, expensive Scissors should be able to beat rock?

As an assault rifle user I love meeting shotgun users on the field of battle. Unless the user is very skilled or gets the drop on me it's like taking candy from a baby.

I'm pretty sure thats how eve goes

Militia weapons and modules are supposed to have the same effectiveness as the standard items you can buy on the market. The only difference is the high fitting costs of militia items. That's why you want to upgrade to non milita weapons: to free up some cpu/pg in order to fit advanced or complex modules on your drop suit.

Do you realize that militia items are what people will be using the majoritiy of the time given the latest adjustments to market prices? If you nerf milita weapons, everyone who is low on money will be stomped by the non milita players, and chances to gain more money will be worse.

I agree that the scout/shotgun combo seems a bit too effective, but it's only effective at close range. And to be honest, that's what I expect from a shotgun. If you're caught at short range by someone with a shotgun, you die. If you're caught in the open by someone with a sniper rifle, you die. That's how the game works, it should be true regardless of milita or non milita status.

Militia weapons need to stay competitive, because once you fall back to them, you must be able to work your way up again.

Who told you that? I'm pretty sure it's not.

So you're saying a well outfitted titan won't destroy a basic outfitted frigate?

The starter fits are suppose to be the back ups as militia will soon be bpc

So you're saying a well outfitted titan won't destroy a basic outfitted frigate?

This is more akin to the tech II guns on one ship, vs the other, identical ship having a more intelligent, proactive pilot.

Unrelated Note: Also, I'd love to see a Titan EVER hit a frigate that isn't stock still... or for that matter a sole Frigate that could ever pierce a Titan's shielding.

What I believe you are experiencing are players who have skilled up the weaponry, light weapon, and shotgun proficiencies to get the best out of the weapon - even militia weapons are dangerous in the right hands. My weaponry skill is at level 5 which gives me a 15% damage bonus and I have no SP in shotguns or light weapons.

So to many peoples frustration the Militia Shotgun is incredibly game breaking. The rate of fire coupled with the insanely high alpha makes this weapon currently too strong to be free. In any given game right now IGÇÖm seeing a huge portion of players using nothing but the Militia shotgun (SG). The gun currently kills most suits in 1 hit. This 1 hit kill isnGÇÖt restricted to militia suits either. This makes the game boring because it is simply not viable or efficient to use suits that go splat after 1 hit. The suits that can take more than one hit are so ungodly expensive that it just isnGÇÖt cost effective to use to simply kill a guy in a militia fit. This also means more and more people are going to stay put in suits that are free giving the shot gun an even easier time. Part of the problem with it is that you have scouts with high speed bunny hopping around to close gaps then simply putting a single shot in for the kill. The gap is also not that big of one. IGÇÖve had many cases of shot gun killing at ranges where it shouldnGÇÖt have been doing full alpha damage. Many maps offer such close quarter combat that the shot gun is simply over powering the terrain. It sucks to die to one hit from a gun running circles and jumping like a rabbit around you. The gun needs it alpha cut by 50% and have the rate of fire halved, and ranged halved, for something that is free. Start with that and work your way to something that is balanced currently it is making the incentive to move to other gear mote and pointless.

Militia Grenades, again it is a case of a weapon that does too much damage for being free.

Militia Sniper Rifle, again another case of weapon killing in one shot from INSANE distances for free. Yes this one requires a little more skill to use, and some vest skill points, but it is kills other militia fits in one hit.

This isnGÇÖt a whine I want people to discuss this and post constructive conversational posts.