DUST Search - for all the guys complaining about the gunplay

Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:

Well, I hate to be "that guy" but Dust has been in development since 2009 -at least-, which would mean that this is it's third year of development and testing. More likely however, is that it has been in development since 2007 or 2008, in which case this would be its fourth or fifth year of development and testing. So your argument that Dust has only been in testing for a few months vs CoD which has had over a decade, is slightly skewed, and quite invalid really.

However, the same is true for CoD, it was probably in development for two-to-four years before launch, meaning Black Ops 2 will be around it's 12th or 13th year. So your argument should be Dust has only had five years of development and testing, where as CoD has had just over a decade, more than doubling the time that Dust has been around.

This argument is still valid however, as CoD took -three years- after its initial launch to finally have a decent feel about it, and really make it's name popular, meaning that Dust still has hope, quite a lot at that. So long as CCP keeps themselves devoted to their players, and never shelves Dust 514, it will grow, and it will gain a following, just like EVE has. There will always be people looking for a deeper experience, and Dust will provide that.

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theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:07:00 - [1] - Quote you wan the gunplay to be as polished as COD yes? well look at how many cod titles they made everytime they do a new cod seeing as it is a once a year thing they are basically just taking all the same stuff and putting under a new title with som new maps and a campaign that follows the same basic path as all the others. every new "title" is more or less a glorified dlc that you insist on paying 60 dollars for the same experience every single year. cods gungame probably wasnt as appealing as its 10 polished version that you are currently accustomed to. in fact in cod 1 it was **** the first time cods online gungame was even remotely playable was with MW1 that was 5 or so YEARS into the making of the cod franchise and about 3 YEARS into them working on their multiplayer aspect. it took cod 7-8 years to reach the multiplayer that they have today and they just bothere to do clan support after being aked about it since MW1 about 5 years ago. 5 YEARS just to be bothered enough to finally put a little more depth into the multiplayer aspect of their game. we are 1 build away from singularity they are still working on the next build and will continue to for what i hope will be a long time because they wont say oh we missed this bug/glitch oh well we'll just let it go unless it becomes too op or just ignore it and work on the next map pack because all they care about is separating you from your money. look at EVE that wasnt a one year process that is a persistent work that both ccp and its amazingly vocal community genuinely care about and want to see become even greater. go to youtube find the videos on burn jita EVE was able to handle having around 2500 ships in one system and was still working. cod has nothing on this game in any way shape or form quite frankly cod is a dissapointment because they dont give a damn about the gamer they just keep pushing out cookie cutter game every year and only change the color of the sprinkles. you dont like the game LEAVE. ill be more than happy to collect your portion of the loot. that is all and have a nice day/night
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:11:00 - [2] - Quote massive TLDR bro
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:12:00 - [3] - Quote What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right.
Arbor Viridanus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 196	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:16:00 - [4] - Quote Say what you will about CoD, but at least that game has solid hit detection. I believe that CCP said they were fixing that, though, which should improve the gun game.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:17:00 - [5] - Quote W0olley wrote: What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right. Exactly. The gunplay is not AAA gunplay atm tbqhimho. It will get better though.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:19:00 - [6] - Quote W0olley wrote: What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right. what im saying is that it took cod years to get to its level of gunplay performance and yet your bashing ccp after theyve only been testing it for months
Burger Helper 84	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:22:00 - [7] - Quote so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two
Kleanur Guy SyNergy Gaming 154	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:22:00 - [8] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: W0olley wrote: What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right. what im saying is that it took cod years to get to its level of gunplay performance and yet your bashing ccp after theyve only been testing it for months No they've been testing it since 2009...
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:24:00 - [9] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: W0olley wrote: What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right. what im saying is that it took cod years to get to its level of gunplay performance and yet your bashing ccp after theyve only been testing it for months There is a standard in fps's for gunplay. It being their first one isn't an excuse to have sub par gunplay. You should never settle for mediocrity.
Ni4Ni Venix An Eye For An Eye AN EYE F0R AN EYE 29	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:24:00 - [10] - Quote If you cant compete with the current market, then do not market the game as if it is going to. This game is at least a year away from being a "good" shooter. Until then, it will be subpar to the competition. I love eve, and I wish Dust was ready, but it is just not.

theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:24:00 - [11] - Quote Burger Helper wrote: so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two im not saying that there arent any problems im saying that they are comparing a game in its infancy to one that has had over a decade to get it right. thats like comparing the yankees to a little league team
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:28:00 - [12] - Quote Kleanur Guy wrote: theschizogenious wrote: W0olley wrote: What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right. what im saying is that it took cod years to get to its level of gunplay performance and yet your bashing ccp after theyve only been testing it for months No they've been testing it since 2009... really theyve been having a closed beta with around a thousand people shooting at the same time while also trying to run vehicles that are moving and shooting and the turrets and the people that arent in game that are walking about in the waiting area or the MQ.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:29:00 - [13] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: Burger Helper wrote: so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two im not saying that there arent any problems im saying that they are comparing a game in its infancy to one that has had over a decade to get it right. thats like comparing the yankees to a little league team CCP is not a little league team. They are entering the big league. CCP needs to adapt or die.
Lazarus Solo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 66	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:32:00 - [14] - Quote I hope CCP can get the hit detection right, because something that's really bothering me about this game is me shooting people and their shields/armor not dropping. Whilst they're at it, it would also be great if they could fix the spawns. Earlier on I got spawn killed 3 times in a single match.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:33:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Burger Helper wrote: so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two im not saying that there arent any problems im saying that they are comparing a game in its infancy to one that has had over a decade to get it right. thats like comparing the yankees to a little league team CCP is not a little league team. They are entering the big league. CCP needs to adapt or die. itll be a cold day in hell before a team of people who never played in the big leagues went on to win the world series in their first season against teams that are foundated in decades of trial and error.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:35:00 - [16] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Burger Helper wrote: so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two im not saying that there arent any problems im saying that they are comparing a game in its infancy to one that has had over a decade to get it right. thats like comparing the yankees to a little league team CCP is not a little league team. They are entering the big league. CCP needs to adapt or die. itll be a cold day in hell before a team of people who never played in the big leagues went on to win the world series in their first season against teams that are foundated in decades of trial and error. Have you ever even watched a baseball movie? It happens all the time.
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:38:00 - [17] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Burger Helper wrote: so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two im not saying that there arent any problems im saying that they are comparing a game in its infancy to one that has had over a decade to get it right. thats like comparing the yankees to a little league team CCP is not a little league team. They are entering the big league. CCP needs to adapt or die. itll be a cold day in hell before a team of people who never played in the big leagues went on to win the world series in their first season against teams that are foundated in decades of trial and error. Have you ever even watched a baseball movie? It happens all the time. lol yes because movies are accurate representations of real life i completely forgot that part and submit to your infinite wisdom. ill give you +1 for teh lulz
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 1216	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:39:00 - [18] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: massive TLDR bro What, seriously? That's not nearly long enough compared to some of the novellas we've had posted here.
W0olley Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 242	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:41:00 - [19] - Quote theschizogenious wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: theschizogenious wrote: Burger Helper wrote: so you're saying the people who complain about the hit detection being bad, and the very basic core shooter mechanics being poor, are just cod kids? well damn i guess i better go out and buy black ops two im not saying that there arent any problems im saying that they are comparing a game in its infancy to one that has had over a decade to get it right. thats like comparing the yankees to a little league team CCP is not a little league team. They are entering the big league. CCP needs to adapt or die. itll be a cold day in hell before a team of people who never played in the big leagues went on to win the world series in their first season against teams that are foundated in decades of trial and error. Nobody is asking them to reinvent the wheel... People just want the gunplay to be smooth, responsive and for the bullets to actually do damage when you shoot someone. Is that really too much to ask?
Regis Mark V 91	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:42:00 - [20] - Quote W0olley wrote: What does good gunplay have to do with your hate for CoD. People want the gunplay to be on par with all fps not just CoD. You can say all you want against CoD but the gunplay is one thing they get right. They fail to understand this. We don't want COD we want good gunplay! I've said it once and I'll sau\y it again the gun mechanics are unacceptable the game has been in dev for 3 years! Even with ex DICE working on the game this is **** poor. There is no way a game should be in dev for 3 years and this is what they have so far.

TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:43:00 - [21] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: massive TLDR bro What, seriously? That's not nearly long enough compared to some of the novellas we've had posted here. yea but for an illiterate hobo like myself it was
theschizogenious KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 167	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:45:00 - [22] - Quote if your illiterate then how can you be writing on these forums?
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.24 04:48:00 - [23] - Quote Well, I hate to be "that guy" but Dust has been in development since 2009 -at least-, which would mean that this is it's third year of development and testing. More likely however, is that it has been in development since 2007 or 2008, in which case this would be its fourth or fifth year of development and testing. So your argument that Dust has only been in testing for a few months vs CoD which has had over a decade, is slightly skewed, and quite invalid really. However, the same is true for CoD, it was probably in development for two-to-four years before launch, meaning Black Ops 2 will be around it's 12th or 13th year. So your argument should be Dust has only had five years of development and testing, where as CoD has had just over a decade, more than doubling the time that Dust has been around. This argument is still valid however, as CoD took -three years- after its initial launch to finally have a decent feel about it, and really make it's name popular, meaning that Dust still has hope, quite a lot at that. So long as CCP keeps themselves devoted to their players, and never shelves Dust 514, it will grow, and it will gain a following, just like EVE has. There will always be people looking for a deeper experience, and Dust will provide that.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.24 05:00:00 - [24] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: massive TLDR bro Yeah. Like 2 sentences and 6 paragraphs. Reading all them frigg'n words hurts my head too, bro.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Legacy Rising 404	Posted - 2012.08.24 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Well, I hate to be "that guy" but Dust has been in development since 2009 -at least-, which would mean that this is it's third year of development and testing. More likely however, is that it has been in development since 2007 or 2008, in which case this would be its fourth or fifth year of development and testing. So your argument that Dust has only been in testing for a few months vs CoD which has had over a decade, is slightly skewed, and quite invalid really. However, the same is true for CoD, it was probably in development for two-to-four years before launch, meaning Black Ops 2 will be around it's 12th or 13th year. So your argument should be Dust has only had five years of development and testing, where as CoD has had just over a decade, more than doubling the time that Dust has been around. This argument is still valid however, as CoD took -three years- after its initial launch to finally have a decent feel about it, and really make it's name popular, meaning that Dust still has hope, quite a lot at that. So long as CCP keeps themselves devoted to their players, and never shelves Dust 514, it will grow, and it will gain a following, just like EVE has. There will always be people looking for a deeper experience, and Dust will provide that. CCP also had to pull the pin on their original home-brew engine(which looked pretty promising), and start from scratch with Unreal 3. Don't know the exact timeline though.
WiZdomTooTh Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 7	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:16:00 - [26] - Quote Ok, so you tossed out a lot of numbers at me thar relating to how may years COD took to get good. So by all that reasoning I can assume it is going to take this game about 5 or so years to get good. I'll need to find something to do in the mean time....just sayin.
Tariq Tamir Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:24:00 - [27] - Quote This is a beta. CCP want us to tell us what is wrong. Telling people to shut up or leave is the opposite of what should be happening. Further, the gunplay should be smooth at launch - even the first CoD met the standard for what is required in a shooter. It's not ready until it is smooth; that's basic FPS gameplay and is not something that should be fixed after release in any circumstance ever. That being said, I don't think CCP want to release the game until gunplay is smooth, so if you think you're defending their honor I think you'll find they disagree with your premise, value feedback, and you've missed the point of a beta.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:25:00 - [28] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: CCP also had to pull the pin on their original home-brew engine(which looked pretty promising), and start from scratch with Unreal 3. Don't know the exact timeline though. It's called Carbon, and it really is an amazing engine. It would not surprise me if rather than scrapping that, they simply shelved it for the time being in favor of an already well suited engine, and will revisit it later, perhaps when the "PS4" makes its appearance? WiZdomTooTh wrote: Ok, so you tossed out a lot of numbers at me thar relating to how may years COD took to get good. So by all that reasoning I can assume it is going to take this game about 5 or so years to get good. I'll need to find something to do in the mean time....just sayin. Take into account that CoD was Infinity Ward's first title, and they did not have the resources available to them that CCP does right now. It isn't going to take Dust another three years to get it right, but it might take one more. I would say they are already on the right track in many areas. All I'm saying, is that his argument is flawed, and thus no longer valuable, because his information is incorrect. Edit: I thought I was talking to Theshizogenious? Multiple characters..?
Jean-Henri 30	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:37:00 - [29] - Quote Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: Well, I hate to be "that guy" but Dust has been in development since 2009 -at least-, which would mean that this is it's third year of development and testing. More likely however, is that it has been in development since 2007 or 2008, in which case this would be its fourth or fifth year of development and testing. So your argument that Dust has only been in testing for a few months vs CoD which has had over a decade, is slightly skewed, and quite invalid really. However, the same is true for CoD, it was probably in development for two-to-four years before launch, meaning Black Ops 2 will be around it's 12th or 13th year. So your argument should be Dust has only had five years of development and testing, where as CoD has had just over a decade, more than doubling the time that Dust has been around. This argument is still valid however, as CoD took -three years- after its initial launch to finally have a decent feel about it, and really make it's name popular, meaning that Dust still has hope, quite a lot at that. So long as CCP keeps themselves devoted to their players, and never shelves Dust 514, it will grow, and it will gain a following, just like EVE has. There will always be people looking for a deeper experience, and Dust will provide that. when you talk about development and testing, you seem to think they are the same thing. Development can be people sitting around a table discussing aims and goals, an artist creating rough drafts for assets, and rudimentary map design to feed to the think tank. The first line of code might not be written for many many months or years. Testing begins once systems have been designed and coded. First run games will be nothing more then testing the various engines that will hopefully oneday run the game. Often Design, systems development and testing will all be going at once, requiring many rewrites. We are now at the BETA stage. UI might get tweaked, basic gameplay will not. Systems will be tested,data collected. If this was still an Alpha, then you could expect daily or weekly builds. But thisis a BETA... so builds will get released when they are ready, and each build won't be issued merely because the CEO decided the map should be purple. Each build should be focused on streamlining systems and tuning the engine. TLDR: .. also known as "hurrr durrr" When the BETA has reached the stage of ironing out wrinkles and exterminating bugs, is when the BETA has reached the stage of ironing out wrinkles and exterminating bugs.
Veigar Mordekaiser Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 676	Posted - 2012.08.24 06:42:00 - [30] - Quote Jean-Henri wrote: TLDR: .. also known as "hurrr durrr" When the BETA has reached the stage of ironing out wrinkles and exterminating bugs, is when the BETA has reached the stage of ironing out wrinkles and exterminating bugs. Was following you til this point. What?



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