You can't make a judgement about a game that isn't out yet. I don't like Precursor, I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as I was enjoying E3, but I'm not about to say Dust is bad. Saying Dust is bad now, would be like playing Starcraft: Brood War 8 years ago and saying "Man, Starcraft 2 really sucks!".

I am tired of people coming into this beta, that CCP so kindly allowed to be accessed by many, many people, and saying "pft, game sucks, cya!" What do you not realize about the term "beta"? It is absolutely, by no means or stretch-of-the-rules synonymous to "demo". This is not a representation of the final product.

When Dust launches, and is put on TQ, and CCP says "Here you go, we're done!" then cast your judgement. Until then, keep your complaints simple, say "I don't like this aspect of the game" or "I don't like this function or lack there of" but do not, under any circumstances, say "Dust is bad" because you are not playing a finished product.

You can't make a judgement about a game that isn't out yet. I don't like Precursor, I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as I was enjoying E3, but I'm not about to say Dust is bad. Saying Dust is bad now, would be like playing Starcraft: Brood War 8 years ago and saying "Man, Starcraft 2 really sucks!".

I am tired of people coming into this beta, that CCP so kindly allowed to be accessed by many, many people, and saying "pft, game sucks, cya!" What do you not realize about the term "beta"? It is absolutely, by no means or stretch-of-the-rules synonymous to "demo". This is not a representation of the final product.

When Dust launches, and is put on TQ, and CCP says "Here you go, we're done!" then cast your judgement. Until then, keep your complaints simple, say "I don't like this aspect of the game" or "I don't like this function or lack there of" but do not, under any circumstances, say "Dust is bad" because you are not playing a finished product.

Dust is bad. No mining.
*backs away under bridge*

Dust is bad. No mining.
*backs away under bridge*

What they say is a beta, plays like an alpha!! 6 months n 3 builds later! What a shame

Dust is bad. No mining.
*backs away under bridge*

The whole point is to complain and rage now. That way when the game is released everyone's happy with it. Hush ya whining

I like the fact that you can now turn off Aim Assist. Aim Assist is a hack that should just be removed. All these kiddies talk about skill but use it, pathetic.

Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere.

Most of the complainers and ragers are immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones. Some haven't even hit puberty yet.

Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere.

I am unfortunately aware of that.

Also remember they have to apply for a real job one of these days. :) And get to listen to people whinin and moaning about their work. I've been an EVE member for years, and I think CCP is doing a huge job combining pc and ps3 gamers, in a unusual and interesting way. I can't wait to see how it plays out.

Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere.

speak for yourself good sir

im in highschool and do not suffer from the need to witch about anything except the amount of trolling tony does all over every forum he lurks onto.

i like dust its come a long way from where it was in june and can (hopefully) only get better.

Realize, that you are a minority.

You have proof? Links, statistics? Charts? I bet you are basing that opinion simply by the very, very small community here on the forums, and the even smaller albeit loud barking fools whom cannot act civil to save their lives.

Personally? Even with the bugs, and issues amid Dust514 I have to say the game not has potential, but is fun and getting better. Nothing is perfect. Disney World is a prime example. Riddled and plagued with issues opening year, and even came close to shutting down due to being a drain of money. Now look at it. Everyone knows Mickey, and his friends, and you'd never have known otherwise. They still have issues, and injuries occuring yearly, but no one speaks of them. Games are the same. Does CCP need to delay Dust514? I believe so, but only due to the fact that it needs be worked on to ensure a solid product at launch that will not need as much patching or fixing, and will only allow CCP to start work on improving the game and adding to the game. Instead of going back to fix known issues. I'd say CCP needs to hold Dust514 back till mid first quarter of 2013. Risky, and bold granted. However it could prove invaluable in assuring the players a solid quality title.

People over exaggerate. Such as most of the people in this thread. The ones using "fanboy" as a crutch at every turn. They lack modesty, or civility. Only vexing the people and hindering actual progress by screaming like children. Especially an exceptional few.

I do. I think though that you misworded your initial posting. I'm sorry that I misunderstood it, but yeah. We seem to be on the same page. Anyway I apologise for coming off jerkish.

in general, within three months of launch, a game will not change

on the good side, this game is pretty damn awesome if you take away the tons of bugs and bad hit detection

on the bad side, i don't think all of those will be fixed before launch, or a new crop of bugs will appear right as these are fixed

You have proof? Links, statistics? Charts? I bet you are basing that opinion simply by the very, very small community here on the forums, and the even smaller albeit loud barking fools whom cannot act civil to save their lives.

Personally? Even with the bugs, and issues amid Dust514 I have to say the game not has potential, but is fun and getting better. Nothing is perfect. Disney World is a prime example. Riddled and plagued with issues opening year, and even came close to shutting down due to being a drain of money. Now look at it. Everyone knows Mickey, and his friends, and you'd never have known otherwise. They still have issues, and injuries occuring yearly, but no one speaks of them. Games are the same. Does CCP need to delay Dust514? I believe so, but only due to the fact that it needs be worked on to ensure a solid product at launch that will not need as much patching or fixing, and will only allow CCP to start work on improving the game and adding to the game. Instead of going back to fix known issues. I'd say CCP needs to hold [u]Dust514[/u] back till mid first quarter of 2013. Risky, and bold granted. However it could prove invaluable in assuring the players a solid quality title.

People over exaggerate. Such as most of the people in this thread. The ones using "fanboy" as a crutch at every turn. They lack modesty, or civility. Only vexing the people and hindering actual progress by screaming like children. Especially an exceptional few.

Too much name calling on these forums. If I have a critiscism, I get told to go back to CoD.
If I complain about that fact, I get called a whiny hormonal kid.
If I get angry and call those doing so a fanboy, they get all defensive and use various counter argumental methods.

I have concerns. I do not want them to be pushed aside. Don't try to attack me on a personal level to discredit my points.

Heck I don't even make too many new posts here, mostly I just comment on others. I don't want others concerns bring suppressed either.

Is it really too much to ask?

So, basically your pissed off with criticism of Dust.
Gz. Blame it on high school kids lol. Not EvE players saying "my KBM doesn't work, Scouts are too fast, and don't even think about letting Dusters take SOV."

6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. If your too blind to see that, take yourself elsewhere.

Oh and the thread title is misleading. Latency ect are important. This is just you being mad at a bunch of teenage lads. Gz.

(schizo I'm hurt, I only troll you :D )

I'm not blaming it on highschool kids, I'm saying that half the people on these forums act like children. "Lets whine, *****, and moan about every little issue, over, and over, and over, with no supporting points or real information on why we are complaining." Like I said, it's all people going on testosterone fueled rants after losing due to some "imbalance" or "bug".

I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it.

Also, it is important, mentality is very important.

...I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it.

Also, it is important, mentality is very important.

Small portion of he game!?
This is a FPS, this game is all about shooting; what else do you expect to do on the 7k planets we will have? Spend your time mining with you futuristic pickax, collect flowers, swim in lakes, go fishing, car racing, go shopping, chuck wood?
This is not a RPG!

You really don't grasp the situation: here we test what the game it's about just in a limited size for obvious practical reasons BUT we are not going to get different gameplay or different mechanics outside the FPS on palnetes.
The interaction with EVE will be handled with menus, voice chat & forums and that is not gameplay, that is just the social aspect and every FPS has that in a way or another, the difference here is that simply here it's organic/in-game.

Gamepaly is the real important thing here not map size, number of palyers ot interaction with EVE: all these thigns comes after the gampaly, which is the foundation of a VG.
Make the gampaly wrong and they will not serve no purpose.
CS, BF, COD, KZ, Halo are more limited in size then Dust but have the right gameplay and that is why they best it.

It will always be better to play in a "small" map FPS and have the right gameplay, then have thousands of maps and have poor gameplay.

Substance will always win over size.

Small portion of he game!?
This is a FPS, this game is all about shooting; what else do you expect to do on the 7k planets we will have? Spend your time mining with you futuristic pickax, collect flowers, swim in lakes, go fishing, car racing, go shopping, chuck wood?
This is not a RPG!

You really don't grasp the situation: here we test what the game it's about just in a limited size for obvious practical reasons BUT we are not going to get different gameplay or different mechanics outside the FPS on palnetes.
The interaction with EVE will be handled with menus, voice chat & forums and that is not gameplay, that is just the social aspect and every FPS has that in a way or another, the difference here is that simply here it's organic/in-game.

Gamepaly is the real important thing here not map size, number of palyers ot interaction with EVE: all these thigns comes after the gampaly, which is the foundation of a VG.
Make the gampaly wrong and they will not serve no purpose.
CS, BF, COD, KZ, Halo are more limited in size then Dust but have the right gameplay and that is why they best it.

It will always be better to play in a "small" map FPS and have the right gameplay, then have thousands of maps and have poor gameplay.

Substance will always win over size.

+1 and agreed. some people dont want to admit either because of pride or because of their very brown noses that although this game has potential its core function(fps) is very bad atm now i hope they fix it but adding a bunch of crap to the game without fixing the real problems first is ridicules. and yes i am b/tching and complaining why you ask? because i paid to get in so i am a customer regardless of "it's a beta" or not this beta better step it up or i believe alot of people will be moving on to more entertaining games with less frustrastion.