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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:30:00 -
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Burger Helper wrote:in general, within three months of launch, a game will not change
on the good side, this game is pretty damn awesome if you take away the tons of bugs and bad hit detection
on the bad side, i don't think all of those will be fixed before launch, or a new crop of bugs will appear right as these are fixed
with ccp the game changes every 3 months so your argument is invalid as the fitting bug. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.26 06:12:00 -
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Added to the OP, anyone currently paying attention to this thread, read it perhaps. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:05:00 -
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So, basically your pissed off with criticism of Dust. Gz. Blame it on high school kids lol. Not EvE players saying "my KBM doesn't work, Scouts are too fast, and don't even think about letting Dusters take SOV."
6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. If your too blind to see that, take yourself elsewhere.
Oh and the thread title is misleading. Latency ect are important. This is just you being mad at a bunch of teenage lads. Gz.
(schizo I'm hurt, I only troll you :D ) |
gangsta nachos
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
377
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:15:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:theschizogenious wrote:speak for yourself good sir
im in highschool and do not suffer from the need to witch about anything except the amount of trolling tony does all over every forum he lurks onto.
i like dust its come a long way from where it was in june and can (hopefully) only get better. Realize, that you are a minority. You have proof? Links, statistics? Charts? I bet you are basing that opinion simply by the very, very small community here on the forums, and the even smaller albeit loud barking fools whom cannot act civil to save their lives. Personally? Even with the bugs, and issues amid Dust514 I have to say the game not has potential, but is fun and getting better. Nothing is perfect. Disney World is a prime example. Riddled and plagued with issues opening year, and even came close to shutting down due to being a drain of money. Now look at it. Everyone knows Mickey, and his friends, and you'd never have known otherwise. They still have issues, and injuries occuring yearly, but no one speaks of them. Games are the same. Does CCP need to delay Dust514? I believe so, but only due to the fact that it needs be worked on to ensure a solid product at launch that will not need as much patching or fixing, and will only allow CCP to start work on improving the game and adding to the game. Instead of going back to fix known issues. I'd say CCP needs to hold [ u]Dust514[/u] back till mid first quarter of 2013. Risky, and bold granted. However it could prove invaluable in assuring the players a solid quality title. People over exaggerate. Such as most of the people in this thread. The ones using "fanboy" as a crutch at every turn. They lack modesty, or civility. Only vexing the people and hindering actual progress by screaming like children. Especially an exceptional few.
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J'Jor Da'Wg
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:25:00 -
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Too much name calling on these forums. If I have a critiscism, I get told to go back to CoD. If I complain about that fact, I get called a whiny hormonal kid. If I get angry and call those doing so a fanboy, they get all defensive and use various counter argumental methods.
I have concerns. I do not want them to be pushed aside. Don't try to attack me on a personal level to discredit my points.
Heck I don't even make too many new posts here, mostly I just comment on others. I don't want others concerns bring suppressed either.
Is it really too much to ask? |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:35:00 -
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I see the OP being one of those people from Scooby Doo with 8 masks on saying "I woulda gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling kids!!!" LoL |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1012
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Posted - 2012.08.26 13:18:00 -
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My problem is when they 'rage and complain' they mainly just rage like a 5yr old after someone takes his sweets away and have a breakdown and cry alot while using all caps because they expect a AAA title and not a beta
They provide no feedback and are generally useless and make me feel sad that they happened to get a beta key |
BlacMage
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.08.26 13:21:00 -
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It is quite odd; for a normal game if I had freezing or game stopping bugs I would quit right there, but DUST is different. I am not sure what it is, maybe the depth, the universe, or maybe just CCP's passion, but I cannot stop playing DUST. There is something special here... Maybe it was what a lot of people saw in MAG or any other niche shooter, but there is a heart to DUST that makes me never give up on it... Cheers, fellow dusters... Hell or high water I will be sticking with DUST... |
fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.26 14:29:00 -
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All i want to know is where the mmo part is ? can i go to a planet and do quests? can i go to a planet and help npc get rid of enemies, invaders,unwanted vermin? Seems just like a poor fps with eve involvement to me |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.08.26 18:12:00 -
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J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Too much name calling on these forums. If I have a critiscism, I get told to go back to CoD. If I complain about that fact, I get called a whiny hormonal kid. If I get angry and call those doing so a fanboy, they get all defensive and use various counter argumental methods.
I have concerns. I do not want them to be pushed aside. Don't try to attack me on a personal level to discredit my points.
Heck I don't even make too many new posts here, mostly I just comment on others. I don't want others concerns bring suppressed either.
Is it really too much to ask?
Welcome to the club man. Me and Tony are senior members anyway.
The real problem people is that our concerns about gampaly have never been addressed by CCP, not once. We say fix the gamepaly/foundation, they say "we must respect the schedule and add things."
Now I want you "Dust BeliEVErs" to give me a tangible proof that things will be fine, hope or faith don't count. If you can't do that then you positive arguments are empty while mine, even if are negative, are real. |
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fenrir storm
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2012.08.26 18:28:00 -
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Be careful the Dust Defence Force will hound you down if you say anything negative |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.26 18:32:00 -
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S'ok I'll just kill 'em in game :D |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.27 04:42:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:So, basically your pissed off with criticism of Dust. Gz. Blame it on high school kids lol. Not EvE players saying "my KBM doesn't work, Scouts are too fast, and don't even think about letting Dusters take SOV."
6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. If your too blind to see that, take yourself elsewhere.
Oh and the thread title is misleading. Latency ect are important. This is just you being mad at a bunch of teenage lads. Gz.
(schizo I'm hurt, I only troll you :D ) I'm not blaming it on highschool kids, I'm saying that half the people on these forums act like children. "Lets whine, *****, and moan about every little issue, over, and over, and over, with no supporting points or real information on why we are complaining." Like I said, it's all people going on testosterone fueled rants after losing due to some "imbalance" or "bug".
I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it.
Also, it is important, mentality is very important. |
STB Vermaak Doe
558
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Posted - 2012.08.27 04:46:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Tony Calif wrote:So, basically your pissed off with criticism of Dust. Gz. Blame it on high school kids lol. Not EvE players saying "my KBM doesn't work, Scouts are too fast, and don't even think about letting Dusters take SOV."
6 of 1 half a dozen of the other. If your too blind to see that, take yourself elsewhere.
Oh and the thread title is misleading. Latency ect are important. This is just you being mad at a bunch of teenage lads. Gz.
(schizo I'm hurt, I only troll you :D ) I'm not blaming it on highschool kids, I'm saying that half the people on these forums act like children. "Lets whine, *****, and moan about every little issue, over, and over, and over, with no supporting points or real information on why we are complaining." Like I said, it's all people going on testosterone fueled rants after losing due to some "imbalance" or "bug". I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it. Also, it is important, mentality is very important.
Thanks for not blaming my generation like most others in fault on this forum. Seems like they forget about themselves at around my age |
Templar Two
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2012.08.27 07:47:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: ...I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it.
Also, it is important, mentality is very important.
Small portion of he game!? This is a FPS, this game is all about shooting; what else do you expect to do on the 7k planets we will have? Spend your time mining with you futuristic pickax, collect flowers, swim in lakes, go fishing, car racing, go shopping, chuck wood? This is not a RPG!
You really don't grasp the situation: here we test what the game it's about just in a limited size for obvious practical reasons BUT we are not going to get different gameplay or different mechanics outside the FPS on palnetes. The interaction with EVE will be handled with menus, voice chat & forums and that is not gameplay, that is just the social aspect and every FPS has that in a way or another, the difference here is that simply here it's organic/in-game.
Gamepaly is the real important thing here not map size, number of palyers ot interaction with EVE: all these thigns comes after the gampaly, which is the foundation of a VG. Make the gampaly wrong and they will not serve no purpose. CS, BF, COD, KZ, Halo are more limited in size then Dust but have the right gameplay and that is why they best it.
It will always be better to play in a "small" map FPS and have the right gameplay, then have thousands of maps and have poor gameplay.
Substance will always win over size. |
Athelar Loraiel
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.08.27 16:08:00 -
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I have belief it will turn excellent. And we do need good in game bug reporting. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.27 17:37:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: ...I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it.
Also, it is important, mentality is very important.
Small portion of he game!? This is a FPS, this game is all about shooting; what else do you expect to do on the 7k planets we will have? Spend your time mining with you futuristic pickax, collect flowers, swim in lakes, go fishing, car racing, go shopping, chuck wood? This is not a RPG! You really don't grasp the situation: here we test what the game it's about just in a limited size for obvious practical reasons BUT we are not going to get different gameplay or different mechanics outside the FPS on palnetes. The interaction with EVE will be handled with menus, voice chat & forums and that is not gameplay, that is just the social aspect and every FPS has that in a way or another, the difference here is that simply here it's organic/in-game. Gamepaly is the real important thing here not map size, number of palyers ot interaction with EVE: all these thigns comes after the gampaly, which is the foundation of a VG. Make the gampaly wrong and they will not serve no purpose. CS, BF, COD, KZ, Halo are more limited in size then Dust but have the right gameplay and that is why they best it. It will always be better to play in a "small" map FPS and have the right gameplay, then have thousands of maps and have poor gameplay. Substance will always win over size. The game will change over time. Balance and mechanics can be changed as the game progresses, and knowing CCP they will change, frequently. It is important to have the full product in testing before you start making major changes to any of it. If you start making important changes when only 20% of a product is available, then when you get to 50% or 100%, all of a sudden you have whole heap of new problems, and you have to go back and fix everything all over again. |
EriktheHeartless
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:10:00 -
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Templar Two wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote: ...I understand that there are issues with this game, but those issues are hard to fix when we are only playing a small portion of the game. So instead of saying "Dust is bad" "Dust will fail" "Console players will hate Dust", just say "there is an issue here" and be done with it.
Also, it is important, mentality is very important.
Small portion of he game!? This is a FPS, this game is all about shooting; what else do you expect to do on the 7k planets we will have? Spend your time mining with you futuristic pickax, collect flowers, swim in lakes, go fishing, car racing, go shopping, chuck wood? This is not a RPG! You really don't grasp the situation: here we test what the game it's about just in a limited size for obvious practical reasons BUT we are not going to get different gameplay or different mechanics outside the FPS on palnetes. The interaction with EVE will be handled with menus, voice chat & forums and that is not gameplay, that is just the social aspect and every FPS has that in a way or another, the difference here is that simply here it's organic/in-game. Gamepaly is the real important thing here not map size, number of palyers ot interaction with EVE: all these thigns comes after the gampaly, which is the foundation of a VG. Make the gampaly wrong and they will not serve no purpose. CS, BF, COD, KZ, Halo are more limited in size then Dust but have the right gameplay and that is why they best it. It will always be better to play in a "small" map FPS and have the right gameplay, then have thousands of maps and have poor gameplay. Substance will always win over size. +1 and agreed. some people dont want to admit either because of pride or because of their very brown noses that although this game has potential its core function(fps) is very bad atm now i hope they fix it but adding a bunch of crap to the game without fixing the real problems first is ridicules. and yes i am b/tching and complaining why you ask? because i paid to get in so i am a customer regardless of "it's a beta" or not this beta better step it up or i believe alot of people will be moving on to more entertaining games with less frustrastion. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.27 18:53:00 -
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EriktheHeartless wrote:+1 and agreed. some people dont want to admit either because of pride or because of their very brown noses that although this game has potential its core function(fps) is very bad atm now i hope they fix it but adding a bunch of crap to the game without fixing the real problems first is ridicules. and yes i am b/tching and complaining why you ask? because i paid to get in so i am a customer regardless of "it's a beta" or not this beta better step it up or i believe alot of people will be moving on to more entertaining games with less frustrastion. It's pointless to fix 1 issue if you're just going to add 50 more and have to fix it again. CCP already said they are going to get all the content in, then start fixing issues that are not "game breaking". Less than perfect "FPS mechanics" are not game breaking as far as I can tell, so they will most likely be improved upon later. |
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