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Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:52:00 -
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You can't make a judgement about a game that isn't out yet. I don't like Precursor, I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as I was enjoying E3, but I'm not about to say Dust is bad. Saying Dust is bad now, would be like playing Starcraft: Brood War 8 years ago and saying "Man, Starcraft 2 really sucks!".
I am tired of people coming into this beta, that CCP so kindly allowed to be accessed by many, many people, and saying "pft, game sucks, cya!" What do you not realize about the term "beta"? It is absolutely, by no means or stretch-of-the-rules synonymous to "demo". This is not a representation of the final product.
When Dust launches, and is put on TQ, and CCP says "Here you go, we're done!" then cast your judgement. Until then, keep your complaints simple, say "I don't like this aspect of the game" or "I don't like this function or lack there of" but do not, under any circumstances, say "Dust is bad" because you are not playing a finished product.
Edit: I don't remember where it was, but I saw a post by a CCP dev saying "We are prioritizing pushing out all of the features first, and are only fixing bugs that actually make the game unplayable. We aren't fixing small bugs and balance issues as much, because we aren't even playing the whole game yet." (paraphrased)
Now, there is something important that people need to realize, in both their mentality, their complaints, and the reasoning behind them. CCP isn't balancing everything right now, because lets say gun A is extremely OP against gun B, and there isn't much of a counter to it. However, CCP has plans for gun C that will have a major effect on the game, largely on guns A and B, meaning that if they balance guns A and B right now, they'll have to do it all over again when gun C comes out.
What we should be saying right now, is "I like this feature, because it compliments this thing I do and works well for me" or "I do not like this feature, because it is currently providing a strong imbalance for certain users." Then, when this feedback is given, players should wait until -ALL- content is released, and we begin to see balancing changes made.
Edit #2: Just saw another thread complaining about how Dust wont make it. About how the maps are to large. Didn't like how matchmaking felt like other FPS games (queue, play, repeat). Again, -we are not playing the full game-. There are a whole ton of features that are not in the game yet, that will improve upon all of these issues.
And as far as hit detection goes, we will certainly see improvements on this. I highly doubt CCP would release it with this state of hit detection. All that would cause is frustration, QQing, and rage quitting for most new players. |
Ragna Soul
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:54:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:You can't make a judgement about a game that isn't out yet. I don't like Precursor, I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as I was enjoying E3, but I'm not about to say Dust is bad. Saying Dust is bad now, would be like playing Starcraft: Brood War 8 years ago and saying "Man, Starcraft 2 really sucks!".
I am tired of people coming into this beta, that CCP so kindly allowed to be accessed by many, many people, and saying "pft, game sucks, cya!" What do you not realize about the term "beta"? It is absolutely, by no means or stretch-of-the-rules synonymous to "demo". This is not a representation of the final product.
When Dust launches, and is put on TQ, and CCP says "Here you go, we're done!" then cast your judgement. Until then, keep your complaints simple, say "I don't like this aspect of the game" or "I don't like this function or lack there of" but do not, under any circumstances, say "Dust is bad" because you are not playing a finished product.
Amen brother. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:55:00 -
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Dust is bad. No mining. *backs away under bridge* |
Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:56:00 -
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What they say is a beta, plays like an alpha!! 6 months n 3 builds later! What a shame |
ReGnUm GETsWASTED onCCP
Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:56:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:You can't make a judgement about a game that isn't out yet. I don't like Precursor, I'm not enjoying it nearly as much as I was enjoying E3, but I'm not about to say Dust is bad. Saying Dust is bad now, would be like playing Starcraft: Brood War 8 years ago and saying "Man, Starcraft 2 really sucks!".
I am tired of people coming into this beta, that CCP so kindly allowed to be accessed by many, many people, and saying "pft, game sucks, cya!" What do you not realize about the term "beta"? It is absolutely, by no means or stretch-of-the-rules synonymous to "demo". This is not a representation of the final product.
When Dust launches, and is put on TQ, and CCP says "Here you go, we're done!" then cast your judgement. Until then, keep your complaints simple, say "I don't like this aspect of the game" or "I don't like this function or lack there of" but do not, under any circumstances, say "Dust is bad" because you are not playing a finished product.
what more can they add to make this game better... the answer is nothing |
Crimson MoonV
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
658
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:57:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Dust is bad. No mining. *backs away under bridge* You beat me to it.
Dust is terrible atm. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:57:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Dust is bad. No mining. *backs away under bridge* I will cut you.
Saiibot wrote:What they say is a beta, plays like an alpha!! 6 months n 3 builds later! What a shame Get off my thread Saiibot. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
2002
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:57:00 -
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The whole point is to complain and rage now. That way when the game is released everyone's happy with it. Hush ya whining |
Lilah Silverstone
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:57:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Dust is bad. No mining. *backs away under bridge*
SoonGäó |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 02:59:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:The whole point is to complain and rage now. That way when the game is released everyone's happy with it. Hush ya whining Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere. |
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Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:02:00 -
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I like the fact that you can now turn off Aim Assist. Aim Assist is a hack that should just be removed. All these kiddies talk about skill but use it, pathetic. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:04:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:I like the fact that you can now turn off Aim Assist. Aim Assist is a hack that should just be removed. All these kiddies talk about skill but use it, pathetic. Some people simply cannot play without it on a gamepad. In the E3 build it was akin to an aim bot, but not it's just a minor tug towards your opponent, no big deal at all. |
Sojuro Ryo
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:04:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Tony Calif wrote:The whole point is to complain and rage now. That way when the game is released everyone's happy with it. Hush ya whining Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere.
Most of the complainers and ragers are immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones. Some haven't even hit puberty yet. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:13:00 -
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Sojuro Ryo wrote:Most of the complainers and ragers are immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones. Some haven't even hit puberty yet. I am unfortunately aware of that. |
Saiibot
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:19:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Tony Calif wrote:The whole point is to complain and rage now. That way when the game is released everyone's happy with it. Hush ya whining Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere. Can't take it anywhere else... its a NDA violation! lololo |
Derpdut Zakall
Ordus Trismegistus
2
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:21:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Most of the complainers and ragers are immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones. Some haven't even hit puberty yet. I am unfortunately aware of that.
Also remember they have to apply for a real job one of these days. :) And get to listen to people whinin and moaning about their work. I've been an EVE member for years, and I think CCP is doing a huge job combining pc and ps3 gamers, in a unusual and interesting way. I can't wait to see how it plays out. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:23:00 -
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Derpdut Zakall wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Sojuro Ryo wrote:Most of the complainers and ragers are immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones. Some haven't even hit puberty yet. I am unfortunately aware of that. Also remember they have to apply for a real job one of these days. :) And get to listen to people whinin and moaning about their work. I've been an EVE member for years, and I think CCP is doing a huge job combining pc and ps3 gamers, in a unusual and interesting way. I can't wait to see how it plays out. I'm looking forward to the final product, just hoping my current issues are ironed out. |
Burger Helper
84
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:25:00 -
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it was a legitimate beta two builds ago it'd been two builds with no real fixes to the big problems. lots of changes, which are nice, but no real fixes, which is what worries me |
theschizogenious
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
167
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:34:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:Tony Calif wrote:The whole point is to complain and rage now. That way when the game is released everyone's happy with it. Hush ya whining Yes, lets complain and rage. Lets make ourselves look like a bunch of immature high school students, high on pubescent hormones and bitching at every little thing that bothers us. Observations and articulated complaints are valuable and necessary, but if you want to "complain and rage" you should take it elsewhere.
speak for yourself good sir
im in highschool and do not suffer from the need to witch about anything except the amount of trolling tony does all over every forum he lurks onto.
i like dust its come a long way from where it was in june and can (hopefully) only get better. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:39:00 -
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theschizogenious wrote:speak for yourself good sir
im in highschool and do not suffer from the need to witch about anything except the amount of trolling tony does all over every forum he lurks onto.
i like dust its come a long way from where it was in june and can (hopefully) only get better. Realize, that you are a minority.
Edit: Also realize that you're threads I've read pretty much consist of you whining, so I repeal the above statement. |
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Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:49:00 -
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Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:theschizogenious wrote:speak for yourself good sir
im in highschool and do not suffer from the need to witch about anything except the amount of trolling tony does all over every forum he lurks onto.
i like dust its come a long way from where it was in june and can (hopefully) only get better. Realize, that you are a minority.
You have proof? Links, statistics? Charts? I bet you are basing that opinion simply by the very, very small community here on the forums, and the even smaller albeit loud barking fools whom cannot act civil to save their lives.
Personally? Even with the bugs, and issues amid Dust514 I have to say the game not has potential, but is fun and getting better. Nothing is perfect. Disney World is a prime example. Riddled and plagued with issues opening year, and even came close to shutting down due to being a drain of money. Now look at it. Everyone knows Mickey, and his friends, and you'd never have known otherwise. They still have issues, and injuries occuring yearly, but no one speaks of them. Games are the same. Does CCP need to delay Dust514? I believe so, but only due to the fact that it needs be worked on to ensure a solid product at launch that will not need as much patching or fixing, and will only allow CCP to start work on improving the game and adding to the game. Instead of going back to fix known issues. I'd say CCP needs to hold Dust514 back till mid first quarter of 2013. Risky, and bold granted. However it could prove invaluable in assuring the players a solid quality title.
People over exaggerate. Such as most of the people in this thread. The ones using "fanboy" as a crutch at every turn. They lack modesty, or civility. Only vexing the people and hindering actual progress by screaming like children. Especially an exceptional few. |
Wakko03
Better Hide R Die
134
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:54:00 -
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Thank you for making me laugh. No game runs right on release, there is always 2-3 patches required to fix a game breaking problem in the first week.
Will this one be any different on release, I really don't think so based on what i am seeing.....maybe if it was a fall 2013 release but then again we don't even have any information on the current state of testing. I am willing to be wrong....it might take 2 weeks for enough people to actually play it and find these problems.
Again, I heard all about ccp being able to hot fix/ patch a lot of things on their end without sony patches.....when will I get to test that out, the third week after release?
They could come out and say the market isn't updating to client changes at a fast enough speed due to conditions currently outside their control or really updating at all resulting in the In-valid drop suit glitch, to which they could ask those experiencing it with greater frequency are they using a router set with the ps3 in a DMZ, Upnp, or ports opened or just admit it is on their end).
They could say groups can get corrupted you need to restart and remake them. They could admit they made a mistake when they allowed psn players to choose another name and not use the psn name hard code (there is a reason why sony doesn't generally allow name changes).
But no, they have the same approach as most game designers NDA actaully means Not Discussing Anything, really. If they were serious about this being a test, there would be an in game menu to report bugs and problems, you know something that used to reset the ps2, pressing L1, L2, R1, R2 and start, select. I have seen it other betas for the PS3 where players can report non crashing events by sending a reference to the exact location of the problem and what conditions lead up to the issue and what game it occured in. Or maybe they could put the actual names of places instead of rpg planet 1 to make reporting easier. (maybe give us a list over in technical support about the different maps) |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 04:33:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:Veigar Mordekaiser wrote:theschizogenious wrote:speak for yourself good sir
im in highschool and do not suffer from the need to witch about anything except the amount of trolling tony does all over every forum he lurks onto.
i like dust its come a long way from where it was in june and can (hopefully) only get better. Realize, that you are a minority. You have proof? Links, statistics? Charts? I bet you are basing that opinion simply by the very, very small community here on the forums, and the even smaller albeit loud barking fools whom cannot act civil to save their lives. Personally? Even with the bugs, and issues amid Dust514 I have to say the game not has potential, but is fun and getting better. Nothing is perfect. Disney World is a prime example. Riddled and plagued with issues opening year, and even came close to shutting down due to being a drain of money. Now look at it. Everyone knows Mickey, and his friends, and you'd never have known otherwise. They still have issues, and injuries occuring yearly, but no one speaks of them. Games are the same. Does CCP need to delay Dust514? I believe so, but only due to the fact that it needs be worked on to ensure a solid product at launch that will not need as much patching or fixing, and will only allow CCP to start work on improving the game and adding to the game. Instead of going back to fix known issues. I'd say CCP needs to hold Dust514 back till mid first quarter of 2013. Risky, and bold granted. However it could prove invaluable in assuring the players a solid quality title. People over exaggerate. Such as most of the people in this thread. The ones using "fanboy" as a crutch at every turn. They lack modesty, or civility. Only vexing the people and hindering actual progress by screaming like children. Especially an exceptional few. So perhaps "minority" isn't really the proper thing to say, however it was in reference to high school boys that cannot control their testosterone fueled rants. However I'm sure you understand why I'm saying it, so much ranting on here, very little constructive feedback going on.
I'm with you, I want to see Dust delayed, it isn't going to be ready for a full launch in 2012. |
Rorek IronBlood
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
746
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Posted - 2012.08.24 04:36:00 -
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I do. I think though that you misworded your initial posting. I'm sorry that I misunderstood it, but yeah. We seem to be on the same page. Anyway I apologise for coming off jerkish. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.24 04:38:00 -
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Rorek IronBlood wrote:
I do. I think though that you misworded your initial posting. I'm sorry that I misunderstood it, but yeah. We seem to be on the same page. Anyway I apologise for coming off jerkish.
Nah I know you from around the forums, we've been on the same side of more than one argument. No big deal. |
Veigar Mordekaiser
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2012.08.26 04:32:00 -
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Saw another "Dust will fail" thread. Bumping for people that don't seem to get it. |
Norbar Recturus
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:01:00 -
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I just love how there's about 9-10 threads each for points that I have brought up with well thought out, researched, formatted posts in the Feedback and Requests forum regarding: Vehicle controls, squad leader commands, LAV setups and stats, Explosive weapons, Remote Explosives, Anti-personnel / anti-vehicular mines, E-war, stasis webifiers, logistics handling... etc. I understand that everyone has a take on what the game should be like, but why gripe about something when someone else has already scientifically picked it apart for you?
On point: Firstly, your name is two League of Legends hero names. Kudos. Second (and lastly), you can pass judgment on a game while it's in the beta state... it doesn't mean that your judgment will be valid though.
I think that people throwing in their two cents by saying, "This game is horrible and I won't play it because..." actually does us some good as a community. It allows CCP to see where the biggest hangups are in the game model and it gets someone who will probably lose you a game off he servers. IMO, a smooth experience which is difficult to learn (Modern EvE v. Original EvE) that ultimately rewards players who can seem to grasp the full depth of what's going on should have a large volume of people who go "that's not for me, kthxbai I go play Halo 4 nowz." Not every FPS adrenaline junkie wants to think about the choices they make outside of "do I kill this first, or that first?" |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:02:00 -
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Tony has valid points though there are very specific complaints that should be heeded when he does give them out, its just that he does get a bit tried of repeating himself. |
Caliber127
D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION
8
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:05:00 -
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Finally a thread that addresses the issue with people. They expect the best out of a game still in the stages of the beta. They do not understand that CCP is striving for perfection. Unlike other games such as MAG, Socom, etc. That released a potentially mind blowing game, release early, then pissed on it.
Well not this game buddy, I'll wait for that perfection, if it means an amazing game |
Burger Helper
84
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:17:00 -
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in general, within three months of launch, a game will not change
on the good side, this game is pretty damn awesome if you take away the tons of bugs and bad hit detection
on the bad side, i don't think all of those will be fixed before launch, or a new crop of bugs will appear right as these are fixed |
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