My militia fit rolls over anyone in proto right now do to skills(the sp kind)

They're going to be pay per loss fmilita fits soon

would suggest to OP...

RTFM.. It's stickied at the top. Scroll almost to the end of the manual... there's your answer (right after page 15)

Those who pay for their gear using AUR doesn't have a clear cut advantage over those who paid with ISK

Oh, you mean this passage in the manual:

"The amount of ISK earned is dependent on the level of battle consumption - - battles with more advanced players with better fear will earn you more than beginner battles."

That says nothing about whether or not it is based on the value of the gear you destroy by killing another player, nor what determines whether a battle is "beginner" or "advanced." It could mean that there is a set payout based on an arbitrary value given to the battle level.

Which would mean that an "advanced" battle would have a high payout, even if all the players decided to wear militia gear the entire fight.

Obviously I was getting at a market mechanic more subtle than what you can infer from the manual, and perhaps slightly more "advanced" than your "beginner" reply.

TL;DR? learn to read. I have. I've even read the users manual.

Advanced in this context mean skill points because it clearly states beginner as a qualifier; then goes on to state when you run out of money use militia gear to replenish isk without losing as much money.

The last sentence is important but you cut it out, since it makes the qualifier that you will be make similar amounts of isk in militia gear, in proto but with the risk of losing more in higher tier gear.

Put two and two together and you quickly realize matches are determined by amount of sp players have.

We learned to read did you?

The real risk is no one will pay since you can't buy anything that really matters when a militia shotgun or grenade pops out of nowhere.

I stopped reading when he stated deflation, lols this is higly inflationary the new build, we did not get falling prices with more valuable wages.

In DEFLATION prices would collaspe, and we would be earning ISK in the dollar ammounts. IE The DouVel Rifle would cost 10 ISK, and you earned 3 ISK per match. Prices did not fall this build, and only looking at falling wages is not deflation.

Jesus Jumping Jacks! I can't even read this without laughing and vomiting at the same time.

You are an idiot... There is NO player market yet... you can't resell anything yet... You can only use it or save it! The prices are FIXED by an observer (CCP), which makes this COMMUNISM... don't spread your capitalist lies here dog!

Jesus Elsavador Christobald!

Yes there is a market but the one monopolised by CCP buddy, and the prices were fixed higher by CCP which is inflationary. CCP could have fixed prices and what we earned out of thin AIR to anything they wanted. They could have stated the price of a Dou Vel with 10 fake internet dollars of ISK, or 100000000000000000000000000000000000 ISK.

Where did I state player market. We experienced Inflation deal with it, its why people are bitc/-/hing about being broke from new prices dude.

Look, by the time DUST is released to the public as a full game, it will have (or at least should have) the infrastructure for a DUST/EVE market where players will BUY and SELL in-game items and the infrastructure for both EVE Player and NPC sources of ISK for DUST Players. CCP will have a moderate control plan based around pricing basic necessities (Militia gear for example, assuming they go through with BPC MIlitia) with the intent of keeping the joined economy stable and fun.

1. (click the phrase) In this video at 28:00, CCP states the market will not be player driven at the begining. Does this mean BETA or FULL RELEASE, we will see, as I want the supply and demand player markets, where manufactures, haulers, distributors, retailers, and the investors, and industrialists that come with suppling demand.

Given they were already had Q&A testing DUST514, your scenario is not the likly one

But this is the BETA. And as the BETA, they are testing things. People are bitc/-/ing about how they don't have enough money? That's true, in fact, I wish I had more cash on hand, but as a BETA the intent is for CCP to gather data about the way certain mechanics work... One of those mechanics they are TESTING is the ISK Fountain rate versus the ISK Drain rate.

1. As this round of testing is higly inflationary, because even you wish for more cash on hand because you judged based off of higher prices, you would want some more cash.

I am both a business major and EVE industrialist. I am suspending all speculation on how the market reacts to CCP till I have a market to evaluate. This is not a market, this is a Socialist Allowance (ok I just made that name up...) and until I can give/receive money/items from a non-ccp entity, I will not consider this a market

1. You are re-writing what is a market. Here is definitions, you know, and each are markets. A monopoly (from Greek monos ++-î++++-é (alone or single) + polein -Ç-ë+++¦ß+û++ (to sell)) exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity .

This contrasts with a monopsony which relates to a single entity's control of a market to purchase a good or service, and then we have oligopoly which consists of a few entities dominating an market.

You trying to justify your definition, of which a more apt description of your position: could be that you would never volunteer to ever be involved with, the participation of any market individuals could not compete buying and or selling goods and services in the market.

Also, as a side note. spending AUR in the beta is a joke to me. I'm sure CCP needs someone to test how much money players will put into their pocket, but I'm not one of them. So as a response to the original question, does the current economy favor P2W? No, I'm doing just fine without any AUR expenditures what-so-ever.

1. Your prooving the point, since the anyone can get fine on with out if they workerd hard enough given their ability, but does it enhance, shorten, favor one god given natural talent in DUST, is obvious Yes.

1100 AUR, equals 100 Roden Proto Rifles which is far cheaper nominally then its ISK equivlents. 100 DouVels nominally are far more expensive in ISK.

Rewrote diffrently RODEN Assault is a lot more lower in price/deflationary then DouVel in ISK. 100 Roden Assualt rifle equal 1,100 AUR which is far lower in price/deflationary to ISK equivlents

I stopped reading when he stated deflation, lols this is higly inflationary the new build, we did not get falling prices with more valuable wages.

a massive wall of text

And so that we do not get off the topic of discussion, back to 'AUR = P2W?'

The exact formula has not been disclosed, but they gave us an idea.


Contract base fee + (x% value of destroyed assets) + ( modifier based on number of hacks ) + ( Modifier based on team support) = final payout amount.

Everyone using cheap gear does result in a lower payout.