In a straight up pvp battle?

Both teir 1 suits one with a HMG one with a sub machine gun?

Both strafing and jiving?

Things like this depend on way to many factors;

-Developed skills
-Player skill
-Connection speed
-Who saw who first
-Luck
etc etc

As a scout, I can say that a lot of this comes down to positioning. If I can run circles around him and duck in and out of cover, I'm going to win. If I'm caught out in the open or in a chokepoint, I'm painting the walls a nice pretty shade of red. I haven't played heavies this build, but hopefully they gave them back just a little bit from that initial nerf to turn speed, it can be really hard to track a scout with an HMG. Chokepoints are your friend.

In a straight up pvp battle?

Both teir 1 suits one with a HMG one with a sub machine gun?

Both strafing and jiving?

Edit: as a pretty beastly heavy. I think I fear scout suits the most, good job guys.

Well a heavy sniper is better than a scout sniper that's for sure.

There are way too many variables to discuss this scientifically, but in my experience the scout wins 90% of the time at point blank range and dies 90% of the time if the fight starts at midrange and he's unable to get in close.

I've noticed the average heavy is a little smarter these days, too; they backpedal more to keep me from getting behind them and whip out SMGs when I'm going for point blank.

the lag and bad hitbox atm would lead for the scout to win providing the scout strafed, however if the scout didnt strafe the heavy would destroy him easily

if they met in the small alley - Scout is dead. If they met in the open air - Heavy is dead.

by the way - Scout with Breach Shotgun are more successful with Heavy.

I love the breach shotgun, but to be honest the 2 shot magazine doesn't really make it viable if you take into consideration the hit detection, etc.

I'm running a scout w/ shotgun on this build, and I find it alot more beneficial to have the additional 6 shouts at the expense of some damage.

I'm only saying this because the breach's 2 shots can be a lil' OTT for anything less than a heavy, and the capability of whiping multiple people with the other variations is substantially higher (I took out 4 people with 1 clip in quick succession last night).

In a straight up pvp battle?

Both teir 1 suits one with a HMG one with a sub machine gun?

Both strafing and jiving?

Edit: as a pretty beastly heavy. I think I fear scout suits the most, good job guys.

Ambushing from behind the shotgun is better, strafing the smg is better. The shotgun slows the scouts speed, needed to keep out of hmg's fire. Range of strafing makes a big difference, to avoid the hmg you have to be very close. If a scout sprints at a heavy facing him, the scout will be dead before getting in strafing range.

Indoor map sections, heavy wins nearly everytime.

It should be the heavy but is the scout. HMG needs more damage, a lot more. You should have to out number, snipe or grenade or RE a heavy.

It should be the heavy but is the scout. HMG needs more damage, a lot more. You should have to out number, snipe or grenade or RE a heavy.

No, lets not trade one over the top suit (Scout) for another (Heavy). Heavies can be out-strafed and out-ran, which is their weakness. Scouts right now are a little ridiculous with their strafing speed atm.

Why shouldn't they be a force to be reckoned with. The suits cost the most, the weapons cost the most, and it costs the most isk to skill into it

Because cost isn't a balancing factor.

Then why don't we see tanks or dropships as much?

We don't see militia vehicles either

Militia LAV says hi.

Explain the absence of the others

I did, tanks take longer to get into. And Dropships have had their controls changed. The fight I'm in currently has all three present.

Militia tanks require no skill points

Not with the right fit and a smart driver

So because tanks require a little more thought now, heavies should be a step above everyone else because they cost more than other infantry sets? Because if you think since something costs more it should automatically be better, then everyone is just going to run whatever "that" is once money from Eve starts getting transferred over.

We aren't seeing many tanks and dropships because aren't fully spec'd into them yet, its also the reason you aren't seeing the prototype dropsuits yet... common sense.

Thats like saying proto weapons should be equal to standard

And the militia tanks?

Not even close. Proto weapons have increased skill requirements over standard, not just raw SP. They also have greater fitting requirements.

Seriously? There are militia tanks just like there are militia guns but how many suryas, sagaris, eryx, gorgon, black assaults with red eyes have you seen this build AFTER the character wipe?

My point is money is a high factor or we would see no decrease in the number of tanks, just a drop in quality. Also by no means do i actually think heavies should be some ultra factor, i just find it to be bs that all of it's weapons cost more and it doesn't even start with the little push towards a heavy weapon that other classes get with the weapon best suited for the suit.

But we don't see nearly as many mil tanks simply because of isk