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Star Killer 420 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:00:00 - [1] - Quote if you are a pilot you NEED gunners to kill people(especially since the new update) & they cost a butt load now.... it doesn't seem fair that pilots need 10x more $ for there ship & they cant even shoot a gun from the pilot seat.... when there ship goes down the gunners won't care cuz they didn't loose 0ver 1,000,000isk for it..... pilots don't even make enough to pay 4 what was lost
ThePurpleShow2 12	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:02:00 - [2] - Quote Could you imagine if everyone could afford dropships? No one would use anything else....unless they cant fly lol
Star Killer 420 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:09:00 - [3] - Quote true but there's gotta be a middle gound.... militia ships are over 100,000 & not BPO's
Mystkyller Beltbender Universal Allies Inc. 10	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:10:00 - [4] - Quote I agree they should be spendy and flying them should take skill currently the main thing is noone has good skills to put the better gear so they won't fly. I built one once I had the 200k to buy the basic equipment for a gorgon to fly support. cru missiles dam red and a repper. I won't even pull it out of the hangar unless I got at least 4teammates with voice and in a skirmish no way I'm taking it out in an ambush.
Ayures II 33	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:12:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think they're meant to be used as gunships, but as transports with some defensive weaponry to get in and out of a hot LZ.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:17:00 - [6] - Quote Dropships are not personal assets. While a single player will own them, they are meant as team based assets. Get it out of your head that a pilot will get ALL the gain from using them. The team will as it will help it win. Dropships now take a lot of practice. What is mostly lacking now is a way for pilots to practice those flight skills. No, dropships are not gunships but they WILL continue to function in that role until we do have gunships.
Star Killer 420 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:20:00 - [7] - Quote Which makes my point better for it being useless & a waist of isk...... for it being a EVE related game u would think Drop/space ships would be #1 priority... since ALL EVE players are pilots & im sure want to know how the similar ships in EVE feel to fly around a map with a controler... not point & click flying
Star Killer 420 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:25:00 - [8] - Quote ok but r the other members gonna give there hard earned isk to the pilot that can't afford his own ship?! i think not.... so basically there will be no dropship use unless ur on a super established team that shares wealth
Shinigami6 Test Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 39	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:41:00 - [9] - Quote Isnt dust gonna have some sort of system where eve players can give money to dust players? or contract them and whatnot? its wrong to be judging the cost of things at this point when we are not fully aware of all the ways of making money that will be available at launch.
JoshuaEvil666 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 33	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:42:00 - [10] - Quote unless you have your own squad, dont use a dropship. simple its a team game

Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1087	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:43:00 - [11] - Quote Still using mine as a taxi . Tho I look after it now instead of throwing them away after every trip.
JoshuaEvil666 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 33	Posted - 2012.08.19 06:44:00 - [12] - Quote Shinigami6 Test wrote: Isnt dust gonna have some sort of system where eve players can give money to dust players? or contract them and whatnot? its wrong to be judging the cost of things at this point when we are not fully aware of all the ways of making money that will be available at launch. hopefully i have about 300+ bill in assets i can slang :) ill keep my avatar as my eve trophy and sell my two busses
Ten-Sidhe Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 414	Posted - 2012.08.19 07:05:00 - [13] - Quote Not all EvE players won't to be pilots. I flew small fast frigates in EvE, Dust 514 equivalent is the scout. It will be nice when ew/cloaking/remote sensors are added, then I can play a scout in right role instead of as faster less protected assault. Gunships will be nice when added, more to take out with swarms.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Legacy Rising 158	Posted - 2012.08.19 07:09:00 - [14] - Quote We need a vehicle playground where kills/deaths don't count and we can call in as many vehicles as we want until we're satisfied we've got the hang of it. The "fight" would never end. You'd just leave the server and get back to the real matches. Hopefully now less likely to kill your squad with bad piloting/driving.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.08.19 07:11:00 - [15] - Quote You do not fly a Dropship to get kills. You fly it so your team can spawn in and win. If you play for a player run corp people will recognize you as valuable and reward you accordingly. There are more ways to contribute than to just kill people in this game.
Sees-Too-Much 332	Posted - 2012.08.19 07:26:00 - [16] - Quote It'll be nice when we start getting warpoints for people spawning in our vehicles. And I currently use dropships for practice, because I plan on being a pilot primarily. I fly one around, see what maneuvers I can pull off, and when I inevitably crash it (or it gets blown up by swarms) I return to normal play.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.19 07:58:00 - [17] - Quote Ayures II wrote: I don't think they're meant to be used as gunships, but as transports with some defensive weaponry to get in and out of a hot LZ. They're useless for that even. You cant land to pick people up at all.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.19 08:00:00 - [18] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: Dropships are not personal assets. While a single player will own them, they are meant as team based assets. Get it out of your head that a pilot will get ALL the gain from using them. The team will as it will help it win. Dropships now take a lot of practice. What is mostly lacking now is a way for pilots to practice those flight skills. No, dropships are not gunships but they WILL continue to function in that role until we do have gunships. The fastest way to go any direction is to point the ballons top in that direction and slam the rise and hopefully beat the force of gravity. BTW labeled controls are entirely inaccurate now concerning the sticks.
Forte Haulerson Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 6	Posted - 2012.08.19 12:55:00 - [19] - Quote There will be skills to improve ship handling etc. I'm sure... without that, it's like flying a ship in EVE without the support skills...
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.19 13:35:00 - [20] - Quote LOL you need gunners for a dropship... You don't say.

Ire's thug GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 272	Posted - 2012.08.19 13:41:00 - [21] - Quote While i think everything being more expensive is a good thing, I think some things are a little to pricey. Please bring the prices down a little
Taleia Saraki Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.08.19 14:10:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: They're useless for that even. You cant land to pick people up at all. That's what the CRU is for .....
Kro'nak Ragnok Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 79	Posted - 2012.08.19 16:42:00 - [23] - Quote Star Killer 420 wrote: if you are a pilot you NEED gunners to kill people(especially since the new update) & they cost a butt load now.... it doesn't seem fair that pilots need 10x more $ for there ship & they cant even shoot a gun from the pilot seat.... when there ship goes down the gunners won't care cuz they didn't loose 0ver 1,000,000isk for it..... pilots don't even make enough to pay 4 what was lost This post/complaint makes me happy. I'm really glad that the aircraft/dropships are very expensive. That reduces the number of solo scrubs that use aircraft as parked 1 man tanks or disposable kamikaze transports to objectives or other aircraft. Oh & I'm really happy that pilots can't get kills now as nothing pissed me off more than bouncing aircraft kills, (except remote explosive thrown mid gunfight & detonated before it landed by crack scouts that walk faster backwards than you can run forward, but I digress). Now more than ever Dust 514 encourages pilots to be better pilots & take real good care of their aircraft as (with everything else) their is a greater sense of ownership, pride & loss for it, WELCOME TO DUST 514. If you don't want to lose things in this game you might want to try a little thing called teamwork & communication. Without that I would NOT encourage anyone calling in a dropship especially when playing with random people without mics. As for you, according to the way that you are complaining, you are the type of person that shouldn't be a pilot if all you care about is yourself. You are probably better off with tanks as they are designed to be offensive & provide operators with kills. Then again perhaps you'd probably be better off playing Battlefield or some other game with an unlimited supply of vehicles for you to carelessly dispose of. Complaining about dropships costing alot is like complaining about real aircraft costing alot. Heck even in real life most pilots don't own the own aircraft that they primarily fly. Having personally spent 8 years working on aircraft (weapons & electronics), I know for a fact that the technology used them is expensive which only adds to its expensive cost. Why do you think it is that the average family doesn't own an aircraft??? As for the cost of the aircraft, thats soley up to you & what you put on it. As for the Tier 2 aircraft it isn't really impressive when its Fitting & Attribute stats are compared to the Tier 1 stats of the same faction actually the Tier 2 stats are less. The significant cost increase for Tier 2 aircraft are the built in mobile CRUs that don't use up module slots. Offensively your better off with Tier 1 aircraft. However if you want to be a cheap & effective mobile spawn point equip a Tier 1 aircraft with a Militia Mobile CRU at the cost of only 20 CPU, 160 PG & a High Power module slot. The built in Mobile CRU stats are "close" to the same 20-25 CPU, 130-145 PG but with no module slot usage & significant ISK cost increase, (name brand I guess, lol). {as of 8/19/2012} Militia aircraft are 151,840 ISK. Tier 1 aircraft are 220,000 ISK. < - - - {Best Stats to Cost Ratio} Tier 2 aircraft are 461,920 ISK. Militia Mobile CRU 11,600 ISK. Built-in Mob CRU 241,920 ISK. T - * S - - * A - - * SR * M * C - * P - -* H * L * Faction * Class T0 \| 0540 \| 1310 \| 12.0 \| 0 \| 145 \| 535 \| 2 \| 3 \| Gallente \| Gorgon T1 \| 0700 \| 1700 \| 12.0 \| 1 \| 165 \| 545 \| 2 \| 4 \| Gallente \| Grimsnes T2 \| 0700 \| 1900 \| 12.0 \| 3 \| 140 \| 380 \| 2 \| 4 \| Gallente \| Prometheus T0 \| 1078 \| 0770 \| 23.0 \| 0 \| 225 \| 395 \| 3 \| 2 \| Caldari - \| Viper T1 \| 1700 \| 1000 \| 23.0 \| 1 \| 255 \| 400 \| 4 \| 2 \| Caldari - \| Myron T2 \| 1600 \| 1000 \| 24.0 \| 3 \| 225 \| 270 \| 4 \| 2 \| Caldari - \| Eryx Legend - T=Tier * S=Shield * A=Armor * SR= Shield Recharge Rate * M=Meta C=CPU * P=PG * H=High Power Module * L=Low Power Module {I apologize for the special characters, this format only allows single spacing which kind of blurs charted numbers together} *Sidenote Edit - militia aircraft, (all militia gear), requires no Skill Points.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:21:00 - [24] - Quote Good at least people are spamming them anymore... last build with miltia dropships there was too many of them.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:22:00 - [25] - Quote Ayures II wrote: I don't think they're meant to be used as gunships, but as transports with some defensive weaponry to get in and out of a hot LZ. Vtol fighters are less likely to be used for gun ships btw.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:23:00 - [26] - Quote Taleia Saraki wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: They're useless for that even. You cant land to pick people up at all. That's what the CRU is for ..... no it isnt.
Nu11u5 Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 73	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:40:00 - [27] - Quote I was getting used to the new physics model before the wipe. It's ok but could still use some tweaking and performance/stability related skills and modules (inertia stabilizers anyone?). mCRUs need to give points when used just like Droplinks do. And going with the Dropship role, points should be rewarded for picking people up (as this is more involved than drop offs). The game would have to check that you transported that passenger somewhere before allowing their seat to grant points again. I feel that vehicles should be cheaper but require warpoints to deploy, just like Orbital Strikes. Maybe a way to start out with a deployment at the beginning of a match with certain requirements (command suit?).
Korey Sangrenta Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 16	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:46:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Taleia Saraki wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: They're useless for that even. You cant land to pick people up at all. That's what the CRU is for ..... no it isnt. I have to agree with wolf here, the fact that my squad//team can spawn on me is not a excuse for unforgiving controls when it comes to landing a ship. Ideally I look at a droPship and I want to be able to drop some troops have them take a point and then pop down and pick them up. they should not have to suicide to reboard my aircraft lol Edit: I like the new dropshipcontrols I'm the kind of guy who wants to Wear a pilot suit and find a way to hook a actual joystick up lol. That being said I like games where aircraft pilots aren't just a dime a dozen
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.19 17:52:00 - [29] - Quote Landing a dropship now is for when you have nobody around and the swarm launcher a mile away can't get a lock on you, and there are no OP mega Forge Guns around. So, not only do dropships cost a ton of isk, they're super fragile when fully tricked out, don't reward the pilot hardly ANY SP for spending the time and effort training up for them, and are generally an incomplete thought. Landing in a hot zone? Ha. Great theory, but unless we get a simulator that we can toss dropships about at will with no worry about hostiles, the best we can hope for is landing it without blowing it up when nobody is around. The reality is, dropships are a waste of isk, SP and put your teammates lives at serious risk from anything scarier than a strong breeze. I can accept ISK risk, and that AV can do it's job (not like it was hard to drop a dropship in the E3 patch......), but things have gone too far. The physics model was a nice thought, and I hope they can make it work, but until that happens dropships got a colossal nerf, when they weren't really a problem at all. They should have put a gun on a dropship this patch, or released an air combat vehicle for dropship pilots to cross train with. But they didn't even do that. In short, dropships suck now and it is no longer a viable "career" for a Dust player except with heavy corp ISK backing and a side skill that they can use to earn the required SP to skill up.
Rhadiem Algintal Core Gallente Federation 496	Posted - 2012.08.19 18:04:00 - [30] - Quote Kro'nak Ragnok wrote: This post/complaint makes me happy. I'm really glad that the aircraft/dropships are very expensive. That reduces the number of solo scrubs that use aircraft as parked 1 man tanks Nothing personal, but this is completely stupid. The only reason some pilots went around squishing players or tower "sniping" was they have NO FREAKING WAY to get a legitimate amount of skill points any other way. In 90% of the games you play, you're really there just to grind SP and ISK. The win is a bonus. In these games, Pilots need a way to earn. Tanks can roll around firing at anything they want, and people who want to gun will run up and jump in. Pilots have to beg people who have ZERO training in gunning to gun for them so they can earn their SP to improve their trade. Dust isn't a charity. Pilots aren't here to serve you like slaves, we expect to get SP like the rest, and deserve proper compensation IN GAME for doing their job. CCP Devs have failed to do this, so that's why you get all this cheesy stuff. If they actually put a gun on a ship, or even made other forms of combat airships available, you wouldn't see this crap. And with this patch, not only have they failed to compensate air pilots, they made it harder to do their charity work, more expensive, and much harder to stay alive while doing it.



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