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Eternal Monsoon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2012.08.18 18:50:00 - [1] - Quote I play Eve online as a non-violent, not for profit miner. Is there anything for me in Dust? Perhaps a specialist suit taylors shop or similar? EDIT: UPDATE: I will be focussing on Logistics as a non-violent way to play this game. I believe every game should have a way to partake without any violence. My Eve name is Lady Spank, can't wait for Dust x
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.18 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote You could fund groups in dust
Eternal Monsoon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2012.08.18 18:57:00 - [3] - Quote I don't know if funding murder fits with my ethics.
Jak Teston Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 99	Posted - 2012.08.18 18:58:00 - [4] - Quote You could pay people to not fight, perhaps? I'm sure you can set up a contract like that when the game is released.
4447 ZionTCD Legacy Rising 649	Posted - 2012.08.18 18:59:00 - [5] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I don't know if funding murder fits with my ethics. how can you murder people if they come back to life?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:00:00 - [6] - Quote At the moment, we're only seeing combat. I hope there's some form of non-combat role available in DUST, but I probably won't use that as a core focus even if it does exist.
MA347612890GT4078579132R Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:01:00 - [7] - Quote Well. PvE will be in dust. Against drones. Horde mode I think it was. If you don't want to shoot anything at all you're in the wrong game, man. This being an MMOFPS. S being the operative term here. For Shooter.
Carilito Algintal Core Gallente Federation 345	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:04:00 - [8] - Quote Could be the point of ambush, protect the care bear miners and if you do, the nodes they mine give phat rewards of some sort.
JoshuaEvil666 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 33	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:05:00 - [9] - Quote jesus guys, you got trolled
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 191	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:07:00 - [10] - Quote 8/10

STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:11:00 - [11] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I don't know if funding murder fits with my ethics. Join stb, if you fund us we get done what you need to get done
Eternal Monsoon Algintal Core Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:15:00 - [12] - Quote I just noticed Logistics (I have been away for a while). I am going to be a master of Logistics! That's the opposite of killing. Now this game needs ECM so more people like me can put a stop to all the killing.
lordpondus 31	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:17:00 - [13] - Quote It will also be able for mercs to hold districts and planets and earn isk on it. (Industry)
STB Vermaak Doe 558	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:18:00 - [14] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I just noticed Logistics (I have been away for a while). I am going to be a master of Logistics! That's the opposite of killing. Now this game needs ECM so more people like me can put a stop to all the killing. Come on join stb you know you want to and with us working for you we'll expand your mining area
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:31:00 - [15] - Quote To early to have non-shooting in dust 514.
Stefan Jacobs Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:36:00 - [16] - Quote Please, please tell me you are joking..... It's a first person SHOOTER. Violence comes with the territory. If you don't want violence, you are in the wrong genre. Heck even in EVE you are most likely in some way aiding a war somewhere.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:38:00 - [17] - Quote If they do resource gathering they need to free explore maps which are much bigger (about x5) but anyone can get in or out of the map without getting a tag on the logs. Have nodes you can go find, then call down an rdv to deploy a 'harvester' which auto harvests the node. which you must protect. If you fail to protect it somone can blow it up or hack it for htier own ends.
David Gutsche Helghan Empire 0	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:45:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: If they do resource gathering they need to free explore maps which are much bigger (about x5) but anyone can get in or out of the map without getting a tag on the logs. Have nodes you can go find, then call down an rdv to deploy a 'harvester' which auto harvests the node. which you must protect. If you fail to protect it somone can blow it up or hack it for htier own ends. that would be pretty fraking awesome if something like that was in it
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.08.18 19:55:00 - [19] - Quote to top it off the materials gathereed will not be for 'normal' tech 1 manufacturing possibly research items and have it work on security, high sec you can gank the guy but police will frown on it, low sec the police slap you with a fine. null sec, free game. Then populate with hostile npcs from hostile life to not so friendly miltiary or paramiltiary groups. Lower the sec the more dagnerous they could be.
Arbor Viridanus Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 196	Posted - 2012.08.18 20:03:00 - [20] - Quote Stefan Jacobs wrote: Please, please tell me you are joking..... It's a first person SHOOTER. Violence comes with the territory. If you don't want violence, you are in the wrong genre. Heck even in EVE you are most likely in some way aiding a war somewhere. If you noticed in the OP, they said they do mining, which is as non-violent as it gets. On a related note, I'd like to see mining/manufacturing in the full game.

Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.18 20:18:00 - [21] - Quote It could be st up as a normal game but no fighting everybody can deploy a vehicle that they can drive around and use to mine..
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.18 20:25:00 - [22] - Quote Arbor Viridanus wrote: Stefan Jacobs wrote: Please, please tell me you are joking..... It's a first person SHOOTER. Violence comes with the territory. If you don't want violence, you are in the wrong genre. Heck even in EVE you are most likely in some way aiding a war somewhere. If you noticed in the OP, they said they do mining, which is as non-violent as it gets. On a related note, I'd like to see mining/manufacturing in the full game. Mining gets materials, which are used to build weapons and vehicles that are frequently used for combat. The guy was saying you're "in some way aiding a war" not that you're personally fighting in one. Which is totally irrelevant to the idea of non-combat roles anyway, and I'm still in favour of some non-combat positions. Even a commander who acts within the combat sphere but outside of DIRECT combat (for the most part) is an example of this to an extent.
Trinity Ashima Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 32	Posted - 2012.08.18 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I play Eve online as a non-violent, not for profit miner. Is there anything for me in Dust? Perhaps a specialist suit taylors shop or similar? EDIT: UPDATE: I will be focussing on Logistics as a non-violent way to play this game. I believe every game should have a way to partake without any violence. My Eve name is Lady Spank, can't wait for Dust x I don't know what it is about battlefield logistics I find so attractive. It's just the whole "people shooting at me and I can't shoot back while I have to push forward and aid the team" thing I guess. I've always played logistics roles in team shooters, ARMA I always used to pilot the unarmed helicopters and planes.
Aqil Aegivan The Southern Legion 50	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:30:00 - [24] - Quote On the practical side, miners in EVE each mine hundreds if not thousands of cubic meters of ore every minute. An on the ground mining op would involve either massive installations or ridiculous teams. Of course you could be mining some material so rare that the smaller yield is worth it but at this point you have to account for this worth by giving it a use, since a player driven market won't touch it unless it's actually useful. I like the idea of more than the standard shooting roles in this game (though not at the expense of the shooting game) but I think it would be better if they were combat supported archeology or salvage operations with dedicated personnel. In this way you would have a dedicated skill tree and, consequently, value to corps outside of your ability to shoot face. You would also have missions with interesting dynamics (get your squishy scientist to the objective before the opposition does for example) and could mix PvE and PvP (get your squishy scientist to the objective before the opposition does plus fight increasing waves of drones). This kind of game would offer interesting experiences and opportunities to work together with the opposing team up until the critical moment which would add suspense and another layer of tactical consideration to certain games, while offering a non-combat niche for those so inclined. Or you could work for a dust corp by doing their admin. Everyone needs admin and you rarely have to shoot anyone. If you're not interested in fighting maintain a database or something.
SILENTSAM 69 Pro Hic Immortalis RISE of LEGION 421	Posted - 2012.08.18 22:34:00 - [25] - Quote After playing Minecraft for a while I have decided there are gamers that would love to play DUST to go mine and stuff when they dont want to battle. I would love to see DUST players down in a mine. If you add it and only 10% of the players do it, well then you get 10% having fun and helping supply resources for others. The more ways a person can play DUST the more people you will have playing it in the way that makes them have the most fun.
Stefan Jacobs Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2012.08.19 14:24:00 - [26] - Quote Arbor Viridanus wrote: Stefan Jacobs wrote: Please, please tell me you are joking..... It's a first person SHOOTER. Violence comes with the territory. If you don't want violence, you are in the wrong genre. Heck even in EVE you are most likely in some way aiding a war somewhere. If you noticed in the OP, they said they do mining, which is as non-violent as it gets. On a related note, I'd like to see mining/manufacturing in the full game. True, I do mining as well, but what happens to that ore? It gets sold or refined and then could form weapons/ships used in war, and the money that she spends on equipment and new ships could also be then used to fund war. It's all connected. EDIT: Didn't realise this had got a second page and that someone had already explained my link. My bad. Even still, this game is designed as a shooter, and has from the start been called an MMOFPS, and not something as free range as EVE. So I would doubt they'd put mining or manufacturing in. That's what EVE is for. Also, from what I have read (A considerable time ago) There will be some form of commander role in the big conquest type game modes where corps fight for control of planets. Far as I could tell the person acting as commander would essentially be playing an RTS with us acting as the pieces.
Arpentis 28	Posted - 2012.08.19 14:33:00 - [27] - Quote We could use the war barge to mine have the character actually shoot a mining laser at the moon or asteroid or whatever...
NEGA LEAVESEY Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2012.08.19 15:05:00 - [28] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I play Eve online as a non-violent, not for profit miner. Is there anything for me in Dust? Perhaps a specialist suit taylors shop or similar? EDIT: UPDATE: I will be focussing on Logistics as a non-violent way to play this game. I believe every game should have a way to partake without any violence. My Eve name is Lady Spank, can't wait for Dust x Dropship taxi service? - unless the unintended kamikaze death tolls and gunner kills make you feel like you're implicated somehow
Blue PowerRanger Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 9	Posted - 2012.08.19 15:53:00 - [29] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I play Eve online as a non-violent, not for profit miner. Is there anything for me in Dust? Perhaps a specialist suit taylors shop or similar? EDIT: UPDATE: I will be focussing on Logistics as a non-violent way to play this game. I believe every game should have a way to partake without any violence. My Eve name is Lady Spank, can't wait for Dust x I have no problem with people playing the game however they like (as long as they're not ruining play for others), So since I haven't seen it mentioned yet: Instead of mining, perhaps a scavenger/salvager option. Besides the obvious looting of bodies, you could also loot wreckage, or artifacts if there's a "ruins" type map.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming 2283	Posted - 2012.08.19 15:59:00 - [30] - Quote Eternal Monsoon wrote: I just noticed Logistics (I have been away for a while). I am going to be a master of Logistics! That's the opposite of killing. Now this game needs ECM so more people like me can put a stop to all the killing. LOLOLOL troll thread is funny

Victor 'LifeLine' Ramous SyNergy Gaming 242	Posted - 2012.08.19 16:10:00 - [31] - Quote This is a great idea! I know with planetary interaction there can be pollution and things like that, so I was hoping, just how we can form Dust Corps, we can create protesting Organizations. I Would be the first to create Green Peace (I wonder who will create 99%.. maybe the alliance 99%?) in Dust, show these mercs that if they are going to kill, why not use environmentally friendly fuels and laser charges? Tbh its about time the pacifists and environmentalists got a way to play an FPS, and CCP being the great ambitious developer they are, can help lead this. Just because its a First Person Shooter, doesnt mean that a pacifist shouldnt be involved in ending the shooting, or an environmentalist providing enviromentally friendly ammunition. I would also like an ability to make it noted my character accepts vegan only diets, in fact, i think soldiers should get bonuses depending on thier diet. +5 to intelligence, -2 to strength to a vegan for instance. Thoughts?
Altessan Vigarde Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2012.08.19 16:13:00 - [32] - Quote MA347612890GT4078579132R wrote: Well. PvE will be in dust. Against drones. Horde mode I think it was. Horde Mode? F*ck Yes!


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