first post for the other side nice counter attack.

I'm sorry but calling people friendless is not a "nice counter argument" Its actually trolling and flaming.

It does nothing to add to the discussion other than get peoples backs up. And create massive threadnoughts that will just get locked.

but isn't this argument trolling and flaming anyway?

No there Icey, I didn't say you were friendless, and Im not a troll. I simply said everyone doesn't have as many "friends" as they act like they do. Ain't no one got that many people that need to hear them talk all the time. I get tired of hearing all the people I play LoL with talk, and there's only 4 others besides me. There is no reason to talk that much. Goes back to the old saying, You have 2 ears and 1 mouth so you can listen twice as much as you can talk.

Im of the opinion that if you have to pay for Corp Chat and up, then so be it. That's why I use Ventrilo/Teamspeak.

First Off. Nobody that is a "gamer" has that many people that need to hear what they have to say all the time. Nobody has that many friends that they need to constantly talk to. So get over it. Reality Check, you ain't got that many friends.

I also get the feeling people are thinking this game is gonna be alot more in depth than it's actually going to be. Talking about holding planets across multiple star systems. As far as Ive seen Dust players show up fight and move on. .

I have more than 3 friends, however all the people on my Friends list aren't necessarily friends. They are people I play games with. Yes Ive played Eve, that's why I wanted to play Dust. And Ive been in Fleets, and after listening to someone drone on for 15mins about the "plan" Im tired of hearing them talk. Because on so many occasions the "plan" only lasted til we made first contact. In which case that whole plan went to ****. So we had to plan on the run.

I also get the feeling people are thinking this game is gonna be alot more in depth than it's actually going to be. Talking about holding planets across multiple star systems. As far as Ive seen Dust players show up fight and move on. You ain't holding anything. I don't think you're gonna convince people to planet camp like people gate camp in EVE. If you own a planet and I own the space above you, what do you really own? Nothing. You can't fly anything in or out. It's like setting up a blockade around a city. You'll eventually starve them out. So needing to have a constant track of what your DUST corp is holding at this point is a mute arguement. You don't know that the Dust players are gonna own anything. You may just go fight and then the EVE corp that hires you gets control of that planet while you move on.

You are taking on the role of a Merc. What does a merc care about a planet? All he wants is his money and to know where his next fight is gonna be. He doesn't care if there's a Pelagiacyte mine on the planet. He isn't gonna go mine it. And you're gonna be hard pressed to convince someone to sit in a lookout tower on a planet, waiting on people to possibly land.

Point being you still don't need to talk to 1000 plus people at one time. The only people you absolutely have to have comms with are the people in the battle with you and that's provided for FREE.

Chris and anyone who doesn't see the problem with demanding money for communication. CCP is already obtaining a steady flow of cash from all the other aur purchases they don't need to charge for broad communications, so you're paying for bandwidth argument is moot. It's also unreasonable because the game is centered around the corp and by only allowing four players to talk out of game takes away from the fun- the true reason for gaming. All the people in my corp are my friends and I enjoy talking to them, but with this feature I can only speak to three max. At the very least we should be able to chat with as many players can be on one team, but that's a bare minimum. When waiting for a game, an entire corp should be able to chat and shouldn't have to pay for it. If that's too big an expense for ccp, then they shouldn't have made this a f2p game in the first place.

First Off. Nobody that is a "gamer" has that many people that need to hear what they have to say all the time. Nobody has that many friends that they need to constantly talk to. So get over it. Reality Check, you ain't got that many friends.

Second. This trying to strategize before the round is crap as well. You won't know til the round starts who is in the match from Corp A or B. You can assume or guess, but you don't know. And I doubt you are gonna know which map you get before the round starts anyway. Now in BETA yeah we can see which map. In the game while taking a planet, it ain't gonna tell you which map you drew. Im gonna bet thats random. So all the preplanning just got thrown out the window. You need to start making plans when you hit the field. And if you're a good group you'll already know what each squad is doing without having to say anything anyway.

Third. If you don't want to pay for it, don't pay for it. Im not gonna pay for Corp Comms. I can type with my DPad on the PS3 controller in Corp Chat. Hey Im on, Im a sniper, send me an invite when you get ready to go. DONE. Ill talk to them in game. I don't need to hear 15 mins of preplanning that's gonna get totally wrecked when we hit the field anyway. ADAPT, the best plan is a fluid plan.

Fourth. Damn I thought the EVE and DUST community wasn't a bunch of whiny bitches. The game is still in beta, so play have fun, and help the game improve. And remember no one actually really wants to hear you whine and complain about something you don't have to pay for. You got a technical concern, wall clipping, instant battle not working, your game freezeing, say something. Otherwise stop the bitching about optional damn content.

Oh and flaming and trying to start an arguement with me isn't gonna work. Ive said what I have to say. Like it or hate, I don't care.

Corp chat would be an essential part of Corporations. Everything you said might apply to random matches, but once 0.0 comes around and corps start taking over multiple districts and/or planets at a time, they'll need to do a lot of coordination, for which you would need corp chat before and during the game. Such an essential gameplay component shouldn't be optional or charged in what's clearly stated to be a F2P game. Not whining, just my 2 cents.

Honest question: why do you think that corp and alliance chat will cost AUR? I can understand why we have that now - it's an NPC corp we are in, and essentially NPC corps are like you aren't in a corp at all.

Hello,

Just to clarify what UVT is supposed to enable and what you get for free:

UVT Gives you:

- Ability to voice chat in custom channels, DUST or EVE/DUST
- Ability to voice chat in corporation channels, alliance channels, ect.

UVT is NOT required for:

- Team voice chat
- Squad voice chat

Text chat is of course free everywhere.
Players can speak / listen to one channel at a time.

Keep in mind that price is still subject to change during the beta period.

Actually team voice chat is also free, at least that's what I read in a dev post. Other than that, I agree.

First Off. Nobody that is a "gamer" has that many people that need to hear what they have to say all the time. Nobody has that many friends that they need to constantly talk to. So get over it. Reality Check, you ain't got that many friends.

Second. This trying to strategize before the round is crap as well. You won't know til the round starts who is in the match from Corp A or B. You can assume or guess, but you don't know. And I doubt you are gonna know which map you get before the round starts anyway. Now in BETA yeah we can see which map. In the game while taking a planet, it ain't gonna tell you which map you drew. Im gonna bet thats random. So all the preplanning just got thrown out the window. You need to start making plans when you hit the field. And if you're a good group you'll already know what each squad is doing without having to say anything anyway.

Third. If you don't want to pay for it, don't pay for it. Im not gonna pay for Corp Comms. I can type with my DPad on the PS3 controller in Corp Chat. Hey Im on, Im a sniper, send me an invite when you get ready to go. DONE. Ill talk to them in game. I don't need to hear 15 mins of preplanning that's gonna get totally wrecked when we hit the field anyway. ADAPT, the best plan is a fluid plan.

Fourth. Damn I thought the EVE and DUST community wasn't a bunch of whiny bitches. The game is still in beta, so play have fun, and help the game improve. And remember no one actually really wants to hear you whine and complain about something you don't have to pay for. You got a technical concern, wall clipping, instant battle not working, your game freezeing, say something. Otherwise stop the bitching about optional damn content.

Oh and flaming and trying to start an arguement with me isn't gonna work. Ive said what I have to say. Like it or hate, I don't care.

I don't think you know how this game works.

Maps are almost never gonna be random. They are PERSISTENT, the OPPOSITE of random.

At the very least we should be able to chat with as many players can be on one team, but that's a bare minimum. When waiting for a game, an entire corp should be able to chat and shouldn't have to pay for it. If that's too big an expense for ccp, then they shouldn't have made this a f2p game in the first place.

Corp chat would be an essential part of Corporations. Everything you said might apply to random matches, but once 0.0 comes around and corps start taking over multiple districts and/or planets at a time, they'll need to do a lot of coordination, for which you would need corp chat before and during the game. Such an essential gameplay component shouldn't be optional or charged in what's clearly stated to be a F2P game. Not whining, just my 2 cents.

Corp chat would be an essential part of Corporations. Everything you said might apply to random matches, but once 0.0 comes around and corps start taking over multiple districts and/or planets at a time, they'll need to do a lot of coordination, for which you would need corp chat before and during the game. Such an essential gameplay component shouldn't be optional or charged in what's clearly stated to be a F2P game. Not whining, just my 2 cents.

J'Jor, do you REALLY think you need to be able to talk to EVERYONE in New Eden? I don't know about you, but there is NO current need for me to be able to voicecoms over long (interstellar) distances. A CEO might need that capability in Dust, occasionally. Your corprate PR guy spining cracts out of contacts WILL need one. Your recruiter, he'll prolly do fine useing dust & eve's built in coms.

Want to do your planning cheap? Use the keyboard you probably used to type your forum post, and use corp chat (text).