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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 05:05:00 -
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Randrii wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I just dont like how I cant do my dropship job anymore...
If you know anyone with a copy of BF3, try chopper flying on there. it feels somewhat similar.
I flew vtols in bf2142 and was very damned good at it, this here, just screams vtol fighter not the bf2142 dropship. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET
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Posted - 2012.08.15 05:12:00 -
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yea a dropship rolling doesnt make alot of sense the way it's shaped it's not a fixed wing aircraft it's a hover buss but we we'll have to wait and see what the pilot suit maybe will give us some stabiltiy stats... if the pilot suit makes it more stable then those jerk noobs who steal our aircraft will think twice about it, so maybe it's actually a fix to these noobs who jack our ships when were trying to repair them.. |
crazy space
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2012.08.15 05:17:00 -
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Um... They fly like helipoters now. I like it |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:35:00 -
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crazy space wrote:Um... They fly like helipoters now. I like it
Helicopters really dont fly like that. |
Garma QUDA
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
468
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:37:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:crazy space wrote:Um... They fly like helipoters now. I like it Helicopters really dont fly like that. http://www.rctoys.com/pr/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/180px-chinookch-47dd-101rnethafarp.jpg That one does :D |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:45:00 -
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At least you can do a barrel roll. ;)
It feels REALLY sluggish for being a heavy vehicle in the sky with only thrusters holding it up. Very hot air baloon feeling, as others have said.
I like the new abilities of control, it just seems gravity and rotational controls are underpowered. I'm ok with inertia, but a rotational (left-right) spin needs to be improved.
Still playing with it, trying to figure out what feels wrong.
I like that it's more challenging though, while offering more control-- hopefully some agility tweaks will help it be more nimble, not just a hard to fly boat in the sky. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:48:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:At least you can do a barrel roll. ;)
It feels REALLY sluggish for being a heavy vehicle in the sky with only thrusters holding it up. Very hot air baloon feeling, as others have said.
I like the new abilities of control, it just seems gravity and rotational controls are underpowered. I'm ok with inertia, but a rotational (left-right) spin needs to be improved.
Still playing with it, trying to figure out what feels wrong.
I like that it's more challenging though, while offering more control-- hopefully some agility tweaks will help it be more nimble, not just a hard to fly boat in the sky.
Ill tell you what is wrong with it, its unable to strafe left or right or fly backwards.
Helicopters should be able to do that these, 'vtol fighters' we have can only fly straight and cant even peform a simple z axis manuver. ALl you have to do is lighten up on the tail rotors or increas it to counter the spin and whallah change z axis. BUT nooohooo only option to fly left or right is to rotate the entire craft and pull up like a jet does. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Umallon Macross wrote:Just watching someone flying one of these things makes me feel seasick. They wobble all over the sky like drunk ducks. This probably explains why I cant have a gunner for more than 2 seconds stay in.
lol I had some guy want to get in, so he hopped in, and I went to drop him off at a cap point, and was trying to land with my old muscle-memory skills and was wobbling all over hte place, but did some acrobatics to not run into the mountain, and looked down, impressed I saved it, to find my gunner LONG gone. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rhadiem wrote:At least you can do a barrel roll. ;)
It feels REALLY sluggish for being a heavy vehicle in the sky with only thrusters holding it up. Very hot air baloon feeling, as others have said.
I like the new abilities of control, it just seems gravity and rotational controls are underpowered. I'm ok with inertia, but a rotational (left-right) spin needs to be improved.
Still playing with it, trying to figure out what feels wrong.
I like that it's more challenging though, while offering more control-- hopefully some agility tweaks will help it be more nimble, not just a hard to fly boat in the sky. Ill tell you what is wrong with it, its unable to strafe left or right or fly backwards. Helicopters should be able to do that these, 'vtol fighters' we have can only fly straight and cant even peform a simple z axis manuver.
tilt backwards and hit up, it'll go backwards that way. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2867
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:52:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rhadiem wrote:At least you can do a barrel roll. ;)
It feels REALLY sluggish for being a heavy vehicle in the sky with only thrusters holding it up. Very hot air baloon feeling, as others have said.
I like the new abilities of control, it just seems gravity and rotational controls are underpowered. I'm ok with inertia, but a rotational (left-right) spin needs to be improved.
Still playing with it, trying to figure out what feels wrong.
I like that it's more challenging though, while offering more control-- hopefully some agility tweaks will help it be more nimble, not just a hard to fly boat in the sky. Ill tell you what is wrong with it, its unable to strafe left or right or fly backwards. Helicopters should be able to do that these, 'vtol fighters' we have can only fly straight and cant even peform a simple z axis manuver. tilt backwards and hit up, it'll go backwards that way.
tried that lost all lift and tail dived into the ground. |
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Garma QUDA
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:55:00 -
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We cant be friends if you cant do barrel roll. K? |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:56:00 -
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Garma QUDA wrote:We cant be friends if you cant do barrel roll. K?
barrel roll is easy. living afterwards is optional.
(fwiw, I've never successsfully completed one) |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:58:00 -
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I get about halfway though the barrel roll before I lose control of the craft completly and it goes unresponsive. Tried for a loop but soon as I get anywhere near the 90* point I lose all lift and tail dive out of the sky.
It sucks flying X and Y axis only to be serious about this. there is no Z axis anymore and I'd kill for a z axis. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
tried that lost all lift and tail dived into the ground.
yeah it's not easy |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 06:59:00 -
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if I could get in a game I'd try more things.. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 07:02:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:if I could get in a game I'd try more things..
Like providing airground support cover for a capture point?
Or repairing an HAV? |
blqkt2011
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.08.15 07:17:00 -
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Legolas Winterbane wrote:blqkt2011 wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Kaif Zel wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm assuming they'll be implementing pilot suits and pilot skills any day now. They'll require some real dedication, which is a good thing. This seems like the most likely reason for the **** show that has become piloting. What gets me is why implement the ****** physics separate from the pilot dropsuit? the dropship was a bit overpowered.. i was flying it with one hand practically, one of my gunners xveneryx went like 38/0 twice.. average was about 20/0.. the only thing that opposed us was multiple proto forge gunners.. swarm launchers were a joke. i actually felt sorry for the other team. i'm anxious to see the changes and learn to fly the new one. if it can be mastered with practice and something to do with the pilot suit making it fly better it might be pretty cool, and give the dedicated pilots more pride in their role. a pilot without pride or an attitude is just some guy Good F__king luck with your dropship practice - hope you have 38 million in isk in the bank to learn with, and lets not forget that you are also being shot at while your practicing. LMAO There goes your KDR and WP....... Who the hell gives a **** about KDR or ISK when this is all gonna be wiped anyways.... Because if you don't learn how to fly before the wipe, your screwed. as much as it costs for a dropship ?? after the wipe you will never have enough isk to learn. oh yeah - and most of it was sarcasm about relearning to fly. |
blqkt2011
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.08.15 07:31:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:blqkt2011 wrote:TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Kaif Zel wrote:Benjamin Hellios wrote:I'm assuming they'll be implementing pilot suits and pilot skills any day now. They'll require some real dedication, which is a good thing. This seems like the most likely reason for the **** show that has become piloting. What gets me is why implement the ****** physics separate from the pilot dropsuit? the dropship was a bit overpowered.. i was flying it with one hand practically, one of my gunners xveneryx went like 38/0 twice.. average was about 20/0.. the only thing that opposed us was multiple proto forge gunners.. swarm launchers were a joke. i actually felt sorry for the other team. i'm anxious to see the changes and learn to fly the new one. if it can be mastered with practice and something to do with the pilot suit making it fly better it might be pretty cool, and give the dedicated pilots more pride in their role. a pilot without pride or an attitude is just some guy Good F__king luck with your dropship practice - hope you have 38 million in isk in the bank to learn with, and lets not forget that you are also being shot at while your practicing. LMAO There goes your KDR and WP....... bro chill.. just because our ships raped u last build dont mean u need to rage about it now.. we have our place on the battlefield as so do you.. so stfu with your elitist crap.. you'll get raped again by our ships in due time when we figure this out. btw i can afford about 900 dropships once i transfer my EVE pilots isk to my merc so your point about isk is moot when the actual game goes live.... so yea i have abit more than "38 million" in new eden LMAO Tebow - who raped who last build ?? You squealed like a stuck pig. And who cares about what you'll do with your eve money. Learn to FPS first bro. Money won't stop you from being killed on the battlefield bro. And my sarcasm was towards CCP and not you originally, but know I see that I should have included you. |
Rhadiem
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
496
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Posted - 2012.08.15 07:44:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rhadiem wrote:if I could get in a game I'd try more things.. Like providing airground support cover for a capture point? Or repairing an HAV?
naw, like trying to get the sense of why this passed CCP approval.
I need to get in more games with the super cheap dropship fit I made and just crash a dozen or two trying to map it to my brain.
finally got in one game which was a huge snipe fest (cool map tho) and pulled out a cheap dropship but someone wanted to gun so we went down in a blaze of glory when the first swarm laucher hit ;)
I like that I can rotate left-right while hovering, but I'm trying to get over it's huge sluggishness.
I got caught on a side of a mountain and couldn't get off for 20-30 seconds, as it had rolled and up wasn't' working.. I finally hit down to roll it down (upright) to be able to go up again. so weird.
update: I'm starting to get the hang of it, it just drives like a boat. |
Martin0 Brancaleone
Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:18:00 -
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I like the new dropship phisics, it feels like an helicopter. I also like that not everyone will be able tu fly the dropship, only skilled people will use them. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:29:00 -
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Martin0 Brancaleone wrote:I like the new dropship phisics, it feels like an helicopter. I also like that not everyone will be able tu fly the dropship, only skilled people will use them.
Helicopters have tailrotors, and thier strongest axis is Z, not Y or X axis. It flies like a fighter jet. |
blqkt2011
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:49:00 -
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CCP Frame wrote:Rhadiem wrote:- New dropship physics model
I'd love to hear more about this.. is it more agile? You have nooo idea... Now I do and I see that it's broken - is the dropship meant to be flown with a keyboard and mouse ?? cause it's damn near impossible with a controller which has a joy stick. Unintentional barrel rolls come to mind - when we try to fly. |
The Robot Devil
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Posted - 2012.08.15 08:54:00 -
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TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:Randrii wrote:I'm no dropship pilot, but i had a few vipers lying around. In my opinion the drop ship feels MUCH easier to fly. Maybe i haven't ****** around with it enough or something, but i like the no DS's. yea i had a big smile on my face until hit with a swarm launcher and fell into a squad of 16 enemy infantry but at least i killed there medic before they waxed me lol
I was up for about 5 minutes in my first DS and my gunner got some mercs but then we were shot down behind enemy lines and got tagged teamed by about 6 mercs. IT WAS GREAT. |
Zat Earthshatter
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.08.15 09:48:00 -
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just tried my first post-patch flight in a Gorgon (gallente militia dropship). it wasn't too terrible to keep up, but it felt like it was trying to fly in heavy syrup.
Imminent edit, just as soon as i try out the Caldari militia (Viper). |
Umallon Macross
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
281
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Posted - 2012.08.15 16:44:00 -
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Rhadiem wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rhadiem wrote:if I could get in a game I'd try more things.. Like providing airground support cover for a capture point? Or repairing an HAV? naw, like trying to get the sense of why this passed CCP approval. I need to get in more games with the super cheap dropship fit I made and just crash a dozen or two trying to map it to my brain. finally got in one game which was a huge snipe fest (cool map tho) and pulled out a cheap dropship but someone wanted to gun so we went down in a blaze of glory when the first swarm laucher hit ;) I like that I can rotate left-right while hovering, but I'm trying to get over it's huge sluggishness. I got caught on a side of a mountain and couldn't get off for 20-30 seconds, as it had rolled and up wasn't' working.. I finally hit down to roll it down (upright) to be able to go up again. so weird. update: I'm starting to get the hang of it, it just drives like a boat.
Not only passed CCP approval, but dev was going on about how AGILE it is now in the patch thread.
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