DUST Search - Sony and CCP: Communication Fail

counter logic wrote:

Umallon Macross wrote:

counter logic wrote:

Stop over reacting, Dust will be connected with SiSi not TQ no big deal, playstation plus members that play EVE will understand this. Members that don't have no idea whats going on anyway so they probably won't care.

If you have an all-access pass, you have access to all events. Log on Tuesday and have fun. :)

Yup. Complaining about people who lie to try to get people to buy their products is overreacting. I'm sorry if my holding corporations accountable for their public communication is getting in the way of whatever it is that you do.

Nothing in that article is a lie... I don't understand how you don't see this. They used the same wording when IGN members got to play their weekend.

ALL-ACCESS PASS MEANS ALL ACCESS TO ALL BETA EVENTS., if you have one you are fine.

Basically, if you read "exclusive access" to mean that not everyone has it...that is true. It's not *just* PS+, but it's not everybody either. And they can "Help test the first live direct connection to the extremely popular EVE Online MMO as players on the main server in DUST 514 and EVE Online" I mean, what we're doing is certainly testing for that...

The thing about september 4th is probably an offer for playstation plus members to try and enter the beta for an all access pass or maybe they get to play the next few weekends, who knows. Either way, if you have an all access pass...no need to worry.

Nothing in the article is a lie, stop trying to make it out to be one.

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Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:36:00 - [1] - Quote "Remember that Beta I talked about earlier? I know, it was a bit in the making but weGÇÖre happy to welcome our friends from the Dust 514 team *into Plus with exclusive access* for the closed beta. Dust 514 is the free to play first person shooter that may change the face of how we battle online in games. Help test the first live direct connection to the extremely popular EVE Online MMO as players on the *main server in DUST 514 and EVE Online* can chat in real time and send in-game mail between games. ItGÇÖs a first in gaming, itGÇÖs free to play when it releases later this fall, and *exclusive access is coming to Plus members* on 8/21. YouGÇÖll have until September 4th to jump in the Beta. Read more about the features available in this Beta in a post from Brandon Laurino, Executive Producer on Dust 514." from [link] WTF am I reading? Did Sony run this copy past anyone at CCP? I can't wait until the DUST 514 Beta is closed to everyone except Plus members, and they can send mail to people on Tranquility!
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:40:00 - [2] - Quote Someone send that editor an email to correct his post.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:48:00 - [3] - Quote He might mean Plus members get into the beta for free.
KryptixX Imperfects Negative-Feedback 321	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:49:00 - [4] - Quote they just let any and all EVE players in, now PS plus. this has always been the plan.
Naturi Riclenore BetaMax. 120	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:54:00 - [5] - Quote I'm a plus member - it just means PS+ get access to the beta starting Aug 21.... But the 50% off on the Merc Pack.... /angryface looks like PS+ also get 2 weeks instead of the usual 1 weekend pass.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:55:00 - [6] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: I can't wait until the DUST 514 Beta is closed to everyone except Plus members Pretty sure this is you not understanding language that is commonly used these days in promotions. There's a reason the all-access passes are called "all-access." They're not going to take away your access for the weekend, they're just letting in a specific set of people.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:56:00 - [7] - Quote The point is it isn't 'exclusive' and the connection isn't with the 'main' server.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.08.13 18:59:00 - [8] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: The point is it isn't 'exclusive' and the connection isn't with the 'main' server. And that's excessively nit-picky. Ok, it's not the "main" server, but additional keys are being given exclusively to PS+ members.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:02:00 - [9] - Quote Skytt Syysch wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: I can't wait until the DUST 514 Beta is closed to everyone except Plus members Pretty sure this is you not understanding language that is commonly used these days in promotions. There's a reason the all-access passes are called "all-access." They're not going to take away your access for the weekend, they're just letting in a specific set of people. I'm pretty sure this is you being unable to read the subtle sarcasm woven into my comment. I understand the language just fine. Its just wrong. Just because its PR doesn't mean you can say whatever you like. Any Plus member who purchases the Merc Pack on the grounds that they have 'exclusive' access to the title has legal grounds to demand a refund from Sony when that turns out not to be the case, in my country at least, under consumer law. Its not ok to false advertise because its a PR piece.
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:04:00 - [10] - Quote Skytt Syysch wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: The point is it isn't 'exclusive' and the connection isn't with the 'main' server. And that's excessively nit-picky. Ok, it's not the "main" server, but additional keys are being given exclusively to PS+ members. Not really. Look up exclusive in the dictionary.

Jimbo Boilstaff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:07:00 - [11] - Quote Lol they just want PS3 players to come play..... And in a press release noone that its aimed at cares about the minute details The bit i think is interesting though,,, is that twice it mentions the full game releasing later this fall..... hadnt we all reluctantly given up on that dream?? I think everyones too quick to criticise Sony..... They know better than anyone how to sell this game to their users, so CCP would be wise to let them take the lead on this if they so wish.... Remember this is console gaming, so updates arent as easy and builds need to be solid before release. Just thank your lucky stars its not Microsoft, who seemingly wont even let developers update their games for serious flaws (see FEZ),,, Sony would never do this. As a purely Playstation gamer (anyone who plays dust doesnt need to be promoted at,, since you all have keys) the ONLY way to access the beta for FREE is through PS+,,, therefore it is exclusive. Ever get the feeling this forum is like a 24hour news channel??? Never enough news to broadcast so we all get lost in speculation and unnecessary criticism
Aijul ZionTCD Legacy Rising 55	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:08:00 - [12] - Quote Considering they're advertising the game to PS+ and not hiding it in a little shelf in the PS Store anymore, this beta update might be more acceptable/ready to play. To the OP, it simply means PS+ players get free access to the beta. Everyone else either has to get an invitation from EVE players who received All Access keys. obtain Weekend Keys, or purchase the pack on the store. PS+ needs to attract players somehow. No use paying for a subscription service if you reap no benefits from it.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:12:00 - [13] - Quote Aijul wrote: Considering they're advertising the game to PS+ and not hiding it in a little shelf in the PS Store anymore, this beta update might be more acceptable/ready to play. To the OP, it simply means PS+ players get free access to the beta. Everyone else either has to get an invitation from EVE players who received All Access keys. obtain Weekend Keys, or purchase the pack on the store. PS+ needs to attract players somehow. No use paying for a subscription service if you reap no benefits from it. I don't remember where I read it, but I recall a dev mentioning that the list of fixes/additions and updates in the Precursor patch notes sticky post is only a small subset of the fixes...
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:14:00 - [14] - Quote Jimbo Boilstaff wrote: Lol they just want PS3 players to come play..... And in a press release noone that its aimed at cares about the minute details The bit i think is interesting though,,, is that twice it mentions the full game releasing later this fall..... hadnt we all reluctantly given up on that dream?? I think everyones too quick to criticise Sony..... They know better than anyone how to sell this game to their users, so CCP would be wise to let them take the lead on this if they so wish.... Remember this is console gaming, so updates arent as easy and builds need to be solid before release. Just thank your lucky stars its not Microsoft, who seemingly wont even let developers update their games for serious flaws (see FEZ),,, Sony would never do this. As a purely Playstation gamer (anyone who plays dust doesnt need to be promoted at,, since you all have keys) the ONLY way to access the beta for FREE is through PS+,,, therefore it is exclusive. Ever get the feeling this forum is like a 24hour news channel??? Never enough news to broadcast so we all get lost in speculation and unnecessary criticism Its only unnecessary if you think bad PR is acceptable. And what would it have taken to avoid the problem? Email it to ANYONE at CCP before posting it. Its not difficult.
Skytt Syysch Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 235	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:17:00 - [15] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Skytt Syysch wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: The point is it isn't 'exclusive' and the connection isn't with the 'main' server. And that's excessively nit-picky. Ok, it's not the "main" server, but additional keys are being given exclusively to PS+ members. Not really. Look up exclusive in the dictionary. You should realize that I said "additional keys," as in a way to gain access if you don't already have it. The merc pack still exists, but additional ways to join the beta are coming exclusively to PS+. Happy now? Umallon Macross wrote: And what would it have taken to avoid the problem? Email it to ANYONE at CCP before posting it. Its not difficult. You know, it might have been CCP who wrote it in the first place and gave it to them to use in the post.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:22:00 - [16] - Quote IMHO, the next build might be the last closed beta build. If it is half as good as suggested, I'd say it is close enough to start a more open beta cycle, SOONGäó P.S.: Who else are considering buying a second Merc Pack from the PSN+ discount offer, if only for the cheap AUR...and an extra 30-day skill booster :P
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:22:00 - [17] - Quote Skytt Syysch wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: Skytt Syysch wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: The point is it isn't 'exclusive' and the connection isn't with the 'main' server. And that's excessively nit-picky. Ok, it's not the "main" server, but additional keys are being given exclusively to PS+ members. Not really. Look up exclusive in the dictionary. You should realize that I said "additional keys," as in a way to gain access if you don't already have it. The merc pack still exists, but additional ways to join the beta are coming exclusively to PS+. Happy now? Umallon Macross wrote: And what would it have taken to avoid the problem? Email it to ANYONE at CCP before posting it. Its not difficult. You know, it might have been CCP who wrote it in the first place and gave it to them to use in the post. Happy now? It took you only a few minutes to do for free what the guy who posted the problem material is PAID to do. I'd be happy if so much thought had been put into the original post. CCP isn't usually that sloppy with their PR. Usually. But I'd call them out on it if they did.
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:25:00 - [18] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: CCP isn't usually that sloppy with their PR. Usually. But I'd call them out on it if they did. One word: Incarna. CCP can **** up PR with the best of them :P
Jimbo Boilstaff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:25:00 - [19] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: Its only unnecessary if you think bad PR is acceptable. And what would it have taken to avoid the problem? Email it to ANYONE at CCP before posting it. Its not difficult. Well,,, if thats the case i'd more question CCP on why the copy wasnt right...... PSN's bigger than one game, the press releases have deadlines and developers have to tell them what they want included....... and as was said earlier.... this implies the new build is significant, since they wouldnt start proper PSN promotions, so it's blatantly being pushed by CCP to get more native Playstation users involved..... It's not Sony's job to chase the developers,,, your tone implies you think Sony are benefitting from this promotion, rather than CCP wanting this to gauge how much interest there really is??? I'm sure they both want it,,,, but there's no way this was rushed out without CCP being all over it,,,, its a MAJOR step for this game being included in PS+ Personally I think its fine for getting people interested,,,, who the F cares which server we'll be chatting on, or whether there's another way to get the game free if you pay for a different game on different platform??? I really believe all the Eve players will want to voice chat with Dust players who dont understand the Universe anyway lol
Mmkk333 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 229	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:27:00 - [20] - Quote Not much to see here, just Plus members getting their usual cheap as dirt discounts. Basically, they are getting into the beta for free, but if they want the consumable items from the Merc Pack, they only have to pay $9.99 instead of what most of us payed: $19.99.

counter logic BetaMax. 42	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:31:00 - [21] - Quote Stop over reacting, Dust will be connected with SiSi not TQ no big deal, playstation plus members that play EVE will understand this. Members that don't have no idea whats going on anyway so they probably won't care. If you have an all-access pass, you have access to all events. Log on Tuesday and have fun. :)
Dewie Cheecham Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 677	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:35:00 - [22] - Quote counter logic wrote: Stop over reacting, Dust will be connected with SiSi not TQ no big deal, playstation plus members that play EVE will understand this. Members that don't have no idea whats going on anyway so they probably won't care. If you have an all-access pass, you have access to all events. Log on Tuesday and have fun. :) I wonder if my toons on Sisi can transfer ISK to my Dust toon then ... :P
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:50:00 - [23] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: CCP isn't usually that sloppy with their PR. Usually. But I'd call them out on it if they did. One word: Incarna. CCP can **** up PR with the best of them :P I did say 'usually' :P
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 19:54:00 - [24] - Quote counter logic wrote: Stop over reacting, Dust will be connected with SiSi not TQ no big deal, playstation plus members that play EVE will understand this. Members that don't have no idea whats going on anyway so they probably won't care. If you have an all-access pass, you have access to all events. Log on Tuesday and have fun. :) Yup. Complaining about people who lie to try to get people to buy their products is overreacting. I'm sorry if my holding corporations accountable for their public communication is getting in the way of whatever it is that you do.
counter logic BetaMax. 42	Posted - 2012.08.13 20:00:00 - [25] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: counter logic wrote: Stop over reacting, Dust will be connected with SiSi not TQ no big deal, playstation plus members that play EVE will understand this. Members that don't have no idea whats going on anyway so they probably won't care. If you have an all-access pass, you have access to all events. Log on Tuesday and have fun. :) Yup. Complaining about people who lie to try to get people to buy their products is overreacting. I'm sorry if my holding corporations accountable for their public communication is getting in the way of whatever it is that you do. Nothing in that article is a lie... I don't understand how you don't see this. They used the same wording when IGN members got to play their weekend. ALL-ACCESS PASS MEANS ALL ACCESS TO ALL BETA EVENTS., if you have one you are fine. Basically, if you read "exclusive access" to mean that not everyone has it...that is true. It's not just PS+, but it's not everybody either. And they can "Help test the first live direct connection to the extremely popular EVE Online MMO as players on the main server in DUST 514 and EVE Online" I mean, what we're doing is certainly testing for that... The thing about september 4th is probably an offer for playstation plus members to try and enter the beta for an all access pass or maybe they get to play the next few weekends, who knows. Either way, if you have an all access pass...no need to worry. Nothing in the article is a lie, stop trying to make it out to be one. /thread
Umallon Macross Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2012.08.13 20:23:00 - [26] - Quote counter logic wrote: Umallon Macross wrote: counter logic wrote: Stop over reacting, Dust will be connected with SiSi not TQ no big deal, playstation plus members that play EVE will understand this. Members that don't have no idea whats going on anyway so they probably won't care. If you have an all-access pass, you have access to all events. Log on Tuesday and have fun. :) Yup. Complaining about people who lie to try to get people to buy their products is overreacting. I'm sorry if my holding corporations accountable for their public communication is getting in the way of whatever it is that you do. Nothing in that article is a lie... I don't understand how you don't see this. They used the same wording when IGN members got to play their weekend. ALL-ACCESS PASS MEANS ALL ACCESS TO ALL BETA EVENTS., if you have one you are fine. Basically, if you read "exclusive access" to mean that not everyone has it...that is true. It's not just PS+, but it's not everybody either. And they can "Help test the first live direct connection to the extremely popular EVE Online MMO as players on the main server in DUST 514 and EVE Online" I mean, what we're doing is certainly testing for that... The thing about september 4th is probably an offer for playstation plus members to try and enter the beta for an all access pass or maybe they get to play the next few weekends, who knows. Either way, if you have an all access pass...no need to worry. Nothing in the article is a lie, stop trying to make it out to be one. /thread EXCLUSIVE ACCESS
Icy Tiger 496	Posted - 2012.08.13 20:31:00 - [27] - Quote Sigh. People are delusional. I blame dropships on towers.
Jimbo Boilstaff Algintal Core Gallente Federation 83	Posted - 2012.08.13 20:32:00 - [28] - Quote Umallon Macross wrote: [quote=counter logic][quote=Umallon Macross] EXCLUSIVE ACCESS IT IS EXCLUSIVE ACCESS...... you get it free ahead of all other PS3 users (apart for those who have either paid for it,,, or paid for eve).... The word 'exclusive' doesnt mean noone else has access to it,,,, the term here refers to PS3 users as a whole and highlighting the benefits of having PS+... It isn't technically misleading in the context which it is published, and the people that this release is aimed at (ie people who have no idea about the Eve universe, and are serious gamers on their ps3),,, IN regards to servers,,, The benefit of extra information/knowledge quite regularly casts doubts over promotions in general doesnt it?? Its just the way things work,,, and no ps3 gamer cares what server its on,,, its still marketed under a Beta after all
Aighun Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 666	Posted - 2012.08.13 21:53:00 - [29] - Quote What I got from this thread: It is really high time for a new build... No matter who gets in. We have, as happened last time at around this point in the Beta cycle, run out of things that might actually matter to type about in the forums...
Sniper no Sniping Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2012.08.13 22:24:00 - [30] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: IMHO, the next build might be the last closed beta build. If it is half as good as suggested, I'd say it is close enough to start a more open beta cycle, SOONGäó P.S.: Who else are considering buying a second Merc Pack from the PSN+ discount offer, if only for the cheap AUR...and an extra 30-day skill booster :P I probably will, but can you buy it again?



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