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um... I'm pretty sure that's a drop ship buff my friend

i support all of this except for the fire damage.

which i wouldn't mind (it works fine in battlefield 3) but there's 2 entirely different schools of tanking and repairing. what's a guy with a shield transporter gonna do?

I can fly an Eryx too, and I don't see this as a nerf at this point.

It could very well be the dropship physics model could be an agility/handling boost.

The price increase is across the board, and fine if it's worth it.

Forge guns are horribly slow, and essentially fixed turrets. It doesn't mean they hit any harder, just can move a little better.

The main thing is flames causing damage, which is logical, but not the way I wanted them to deal with "just barely alive" shield ships. This actually makes armor repping vehicles better since they can fix the flames.. but makes shield tanking pilots rely on repair guns and such to fix things.

FWIW- My Eryx dropships can take at least 3 proto FG hits before dying, assuming I don't turn on my shield repper. If yours can only take one hit, you may want to check our support skills or fit design. They're no tanks, but they're highly dependent on how you set them up.

Old physics were broken. Dropships were much cheaper than tanks. The new physics will probably help you out.

Like I said, I liked the old physics. Dropships SHOULD be cheaper than tanks. You never see a single dropship camping the enemy spawn for half a match but I've seen plenty of Sagaris doing it.

um... AV grenades now automatically HOME IN ON TANKS

The new physics makes them much more responsive and agile. You can actually dodge swarm launchers with a dropship now! (And I mean -dodge- not fly around at full speed and never get hit. You won't be able to do that anymore!)

Or so I hear.

drop ship?

drop of squads and gtfo while supressing fire on incoming targets.

NOT, squish players and fly around a break neck speed with a worry of anything hitting you.
exploiting the speed to go outta bounds and regen shield etc etc. spam spawn sites, hacking points.
bellyflop onto towers, smash into the ground and squish tanks and shizzle.

they needed nerfing, because you the players exploit them. ccp sees huge data spikes in snazzy graphs and,
they click a few BRNB ( big red nerf buttons ).

whats next , hmmmmm me thinks TANKS

drop ship?

drop of squads and gtfo while supressing fire on incoming targets.

NOT, squish players and fly around a break neck speed with a worry of anything hitting you.
exploiting the speed to go outta bounds and regen shield etc etc. spam spawn sites, hacking points.
bellyflop onto towers, smash into the ground and squish tanks and shizzle.

they needed nerfing, because you the players exploit them. ccp sees huge data spikes in snazzy graphs and,
they click a few BRNB ( big red nerf buttons ).

whats next , hmmmmm me thinks TANKS

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dropship collision damage: BALANCED damage I could understand, at the moment you can squish people for no penalty and clip a lamp post for instant death, INCREASING damage means that supporting ground troops at objectives will be almost impossible

Like I said, I liked the old physics. Dropships SHOULD be cheaper than tanks. You never see a single dropship camping the enemy spawn for half a match but I've seen plenty of Sagaris doing it.

As a dropship pilot I could not be happier. I will still crush you all

Really tho this might even add some skill to flying them and as for the AV nades lol gona be fun

Slowly burn to death while screaming for reps over comms that never come.

Didn't read it all gents but I'm investing in specialized repair tools for the particular ship you fly. Perhaps the pilot suits will have an equipment slot. Every good pilot would pack a repair tool that reps his craft best.

what no more squish ships? Cool maybe i get now the chance to survive a active AV role without getting squished by a mad tank driver which sagaris ive blew up. Another thing is i dont trust any 1 whos flying a viper or a gorgon. Most of the time the ship crashes or gets stright shot down cause cpt. moron (militia dropship pilot) decided to hover 2m over a forgegunner or jumps out of it when he reaches his desired target destination. Cause of this reason i have 1 eye 24/7 at the shield/armor display and if some 1 is in the pilot seat. Cant tell how many times i had to emergency eject myself out of one of those flying coffins.

You hear wrong. Nothing in the notes about swarm launcher pathing I can see.

New dropship physics model

Vehicles now take continual armour damage once they catch on fire.

Fixes to dropship collision so more damage is taken on contact with the environment.

Increased the relative price of dropships

Reduced movement penalty on forge gun slightly

AV grenades now have homing functionality implemented; they will auto-target the nearest enemy vehicle within seek range


I loved my Eryx. It was already hard enough to fly since I didn't make enough money flying it to PAY for it, and since I can't see where the hell I'm being hit from by Forge Guns because the trails only show up 10% of the time and when they do they don't have enough particles so its only a dozen blue sprites spread over hundreds of metres.

I'm going to focus 100% on LAVs when the patch comes around because dropships are nothing but flying deathtraps, and I don't want to get half my team killed in one forge gun barrage that costs me more than I will make in the match.

come in to my ship then, last time i had voice with my gunner he ended up with a k/d of 24/O even though we lost the ship two times

To lay down suppressing fire, gunners need to be able to target things. That means dropship needs to be NOT MOVING. Not moving means I suddenly get dropped by 3 forge guns whose trails I can't even see.

Also, drop squads where? Sounds like it had better be wide open so I don't get taken out by a lamp post.

If dropships were as op as you claim people might actually fly them instead of sitting them on towers.

As a dropship pilot I could not be happier. I will still crush you all

Really tho this might even add some skill to flying them and as for the AV nades lol gona be fun

I was one of the militia squishers.
I became exceedingly good at it and it filled me with much joy.
I came to love the controls and was quite good at dodging and avoiding weapon fire or structures.
I understand it was quite silly and needed a change in some way.

The fact that it was free (militia suit and militia viper and modules) is worth changing.
The fact that you often take very little damage from bumping into things is a good thing to change.

The control change is horrendous. The fact that the very first thing that happened after hopping into my first viper with this patch was to get it permanently stuck on its side should not happen. Sure I was still used to the old controls, but even after figuring out about how it works, i consider the new controls inferior in everything except for flipping and crashing.
Moving forward ranges from very slow cautious advancement to a short startup time followed by charging forward and downward in an almost or completely unrecoverable dive that's bound to crash into the ground or something sooner.
I don't expect the gunner is able to aim very well with the ship swaying back and forth as much as it is.

summary: most of the changes are perfectly fine and necessary. The control change is not good.
(I did really love the original controls so this is probably slightly biased but I think I still bring some good points)

IMO the main problem is that the controls only tilt the ship, no matter what the main engines are doing.

My fix? For controls, make the right stick up/down "vector" the engines, allowing us to cancel our forward/backward momentum or add to it as needed. That can be the ONLY change for controls, and i'll be fine.

For squish, we shouldn't be taking ANY damage for a gentle touchdown. The threshold for this zero-damage should be VERY low, like 1 Km/h.
But when we reach squish-velocity, both damage and destabilize the ship, forcing the pilot to correct himself.

Aw. Sounds like someones upset they cant fly around squashing people anymore for cheap COd type kills. Tear.

No more cheap squish kills seems great

i support all of this except for the fire damage.

which i wouldn't mind (it works fine in battlefield 3) but there's 2 entirely different schools of tanking and repairing. what's a guy with a shield transporter gonna do?

It actually makes it easier. Allows people to get in the crevices by turning the ship on it's side.