Am I the only person who thinks that if a forge gun had a direct impact on the small tank turrets that they would be obliterated? I feel as though tank turrets should have their own health bars. Obviously the small turrets would be weaker than the main turret. I would say the main turret could take at least 2 forge shots depending on how advanced it is. If the turrets get damaged the driver would obvious have to retreat to engage some type of turret repair. AR or other small arms would be able to damage them but it would be a slow process. The tanks would still keep the same hull health system, but the drivers would also have to deal with maintaining an awareness of the health of their turrets as well.

This would also give Forge gunners a choice to make in terms of attacking tanks. Do they damage the turrets or do they focus on the hull, I think this would add a great deal of depth to vehicle combat.

Am I the only person who thinks that if a forge gun had a direct impact on the small tank turrets that they would be obliterated? I feel as though tank turrets should have their own health bars. Obviously the small turrets would be weaker than the main turret. I would say the main turret could take at least 2 forge shots depending on how advanced it is. If the turrets get damaged the driver would obvious have to retreat to engage some type of turret repair. AR or other small arms would be able to damage them but it would be a slow process. The tanks would still keep the same hull health system, but the drivers would also have to deal with maintaining an awareness of the health of their turrets as well.

This would also give Forge gunners a choice to make in terms of attacking tanks. Do they damage the turrets or do they focus on the hull, I think this would add a great deal of depth to vehicle combat.

then why cant i destroy your forge gun?

Forge guns have a limited amount of ammo, small tank turrets have unlimited. Being able to destroy the small turret would act like running out of ammo.

But tank turrets also shouldn't have unlimited ammo, both because its unbalanced from a gameplay standpoint, and it makes no sense from a universe standpoint. And no, built in nanohives doesn't make it make sense either.

Are you serious? How does a nano hive in a tank not make sense? From a military standpoint, they are both relatively easy to manufacture and simple to install. It makes a great deal of sense! Including the fact that they are extremely compact, this is a valid point.

Me thinks.

I can't fault you. Mits a sound argument.

Ok, let's switch gears then. Say we are using a similar system to the original Mass Effect universe, where the ammunition is actually just a large block of metal that a computer slices off to the necessary quantity for weather condition, special pressure, trajectory, and numerous other factors. This would provide an almost infinite supply of ammo whilst still maintaining the need to watch for overheat. Who's to say the the Corporations couldn't have discovered this?

It's like outsourcing. Just because another company does it better or cheaper, does that mean you bring it back to your own company, with a much higher cost and manpower, when you can leave it in the hands of still capable persons who can accomplish it without o up understanding its significance?

But I agree. The nano hive system wouldn't make sense in that aspect.

I don't know about disabling turrets, as in I don't care one way or the other. I do like the idea of limited ammo.

Even if you leave the total about of ammo unlimited give turrets a magazine so that periodically they have to reload.

Lets go with limited ammo first though. Tanks would be called in with x amount of for each turret, it would still have be fairly significant amount though. they could easily restock at a supply depot just lime they repair their armor now. It would keep the idiots from just blowing those up.

Tanks are getting weak spots in a future build along with a hud showing weapon effectiveness % and other intel while ADS/holding L1.

But not for poor people.

@Mobius
The main difference is that in this case the ammo for your tank just like the ammo for your soldier is the same every time you deploy.

Now I think it should be enough that if you have half a brain and don't spam nonstop you should not run out in a battle, but if don't practice any kind of ammo conservation and pay attention to you ammo counts you will be defenseless.

Just imagine that and web grenades no ammo and you can't even run away. I want this. So satisfying killing a Sagaris because he wasn't paying enough attention. Bring on the tears.

So then we'll have new nanohives to park vehicles on? If you can drop a nanohive and fire endless proto swarms (2100hp damage per swarm BEFORE adding skill or equipment bonuses) why shouldn't an HAV main turret be able to fire endless 1400ish hp rounds from a railgun that takes as long to charge as your swarm does to lock, but doesn't track, and cost 10x as much, in BOTH isk and SP. If it's sitting on top of a FREE militia item that is.

Stupid argument is stupid.

So then we'll have new nanohives to park vehicles on? If you can drop a nanohive and fire endless proto swarms (2100hp damage per swarm BEFORE adding skill or equipment bonuses) why shouldn't an HAV main turret be able to fire endless 1400ish hp rounds from a railgun that takes as long to charge as your swarm does to lock, but doesn't track, and cost 10x as much, in BOTH isk and SP. If it's sitting on top of a FREE militia item that is.

Stupid argument is stupid.

*gets ready for the hate train*
This game connects to EVE Online. If there were any means of fitting such a device into a ground vehicle to provide it with unlimited ammunition, why in the name of all things holy would this not be equipped to the starships of the near infinitely wealthy capsuleers?

That aside, if you consider that a nanohive works by using the materials inside it and a cloud of nanites to replicate ammunition found in your magazines to fill your empty ones, they device would need to be of sufficient size and storage capacity to handle a certain number of replications. Hence why they eventually expire. So, naturally, in order to replicate larger ammunition, you need a larger device.

Also turret disruptors that make aiming harder, and webs to reduce speed to prevent escape. I'm looking forward to ewar.

cargo hold like eve would be nice, do I want lots of main gun ammo or small rockets for gunners, possibly ap and at ammo to switch between. More types carried, fewer shots with each one. cap charges to run repper use up same space, as would any loot picked off of wrecks. Choices, choices.....

I don't know how many people will be tankers once that is introduced. I mean, we already get screwed over alot by AV infantry. >.<

Yea. Hopefully not this many people go AV when the game is launched.

Let's take another look at this...

Why would starships not have a practically unlimited supply of ammo? They're in a void with nothing around them close enough to use when in combat normally.

Why could tanks and dropships have "infinite" amunition?
-They're rolling on a massive "resupply station" called a planet. Nanohives use the materials inside of them, yes, but they also can break down potential materials in the environment around them. That dirt you're rolling on is potentially filled with iron and other raw materials, even if not, the alchemical aspect of EVE satisfies that raw dirt could be converted molecularly into something more useful, hence allowing the resupply stations to continue operation.

Again, you run into the fact that you are limited:
A. In the supply of nanites in the machine
B. The sheer amount of dirt that must be broken down to assemble the more complex molecules
C. Power
Your vehicle would have to be producing enough energy to run such a machine, and it would probably require quite a bit more energy than, say, just carrying the ammunition and resupplying when necessary.

Am I the only person who thinks that if a forge gun had a direct impact on the small tank turrets that they would be obliterated? I feel as though tank turrets should have their own health bars. Obviously the small turrets would be weaker than the main turret. I would say the main turret could take at least 2 forge shots depending on how advanced it is. If the turrets get damaged the driver would obvious have to retreat to engage some type of turret repair. AR or other small arms would be able to damage them but it would be a slow process. The tanks would still keep the same hull health system, but the drivers would also have to deal with maintaining an awareness of the health of their turrets as well.

This would also give Forge gunners a choice to make in terms of attacking tanks. Do they damage the turrets or do they focus on the hull, I think this would add a great deal of depth to vehicle combat.