it gets more accurate with sustained fire. Aside from that, why would a weapon like that have a scope? Its a handheld minigun.... The thing is huge, you gonna lift it up to your face?

It already gets pretty close to your face

hrm.......talking bout this makes me want to try using one...gonna go spec for a hmg now with my surplus sp

hrm.......talking bout this makes me want to try using one...gonna go spec for a hmg now with my surplus sp

clearly you can tell by my post above that i havent used them, so theres no point arguing with me about it, i dont know how they look.

However, hmg's are like forge guns.....a scope isnt something you need on a weapon like that.

hmgs are for spraying.....a lot.

CCP even makes them great to use by increasing the accuracy after sustained fire.....what other game does that? Its usually the painful opposite.

okay......still, sniping with a hmg?

Would you call aiming with an smg sniping with it?

being extreme to get my point across.

I understand but to put it in real life terms let's say that smgs have red dot sights and Ars have a 3.4 (4x on tactical) so a middle ground would be a holographic sight to give it more range than an smg and less than an ar (zoom wise)

....dude, regardless of how high the animation of the merc is holding up the hmg, its a big ass weapon that requires both hands to tote around. It fires from the hip, in the same way the forge gun does due to its weight. you dont just lift it up to your face like an smg in order to zoom. Theres a reason only heavy suits can carry it....cause its freaking heavy.

If your gonna get technical about it and say just have the visor zoom in, then that would be a dropsuit mod and not a gun feature.

But that wont happen probably since not all weapons (notably the smg) use the visor sights.

Ps the separate weapon classes are probably for balancing issues (imagine a scout with a forge gun)

Would you really hold this up to your face?
It's designed to be held at hip height. It's too heavy to life up and have no support for being help up to shoulder height. The first shot would leave you without a shoulder or face. It would just smash into you hard.

whether or not its a balancing issue, CCP has a habit of backing each and every think up in lore, i.e. the wep descriptions on the info pages.

again, no need to get heated here, i already said ive never used them

Would you really hold this up to your face?
It's designed to be held at hip height. It's too heavy to life up and have no support for being help up to shoulder height. The first shot would leave you without a shoulder or face. It would just smash into you hard.

You forget. This isn't meant to be realistic. If anything (based on damage) it would be shooting pistol caliber rounds at over 1000 rounds a minute which has been done with smgs (vector specifically)

I'm not sure about the infantry mounted minigun but I do have some stats about the vehicle mounted minigun in real life. It shoots a 20mm caliber shell and has a top rate (it has an electronic trigger and varying rates) of 3000 rounds per minute.
The reason I say shell and not bullet is because they are explosive.
I'm guessing the infantry version fires 7.62 caliber bullets and MIGHT have an electic trigger as opposed to a mechanical one in standard weapons. As for rate, I have no idea.

I don't agree with you about realistic. Yes, it's sci-fi but CCP don't just throw things out there that don't make sense. While it is in the distant future, it should have a logical explenation to it.
I just don't see how you sould put something like that up to your face.

guys... common sense and reality have no place in this argument. keep your reality out of my fantasy. oh no we can't sight it in because it's big and powerful? well magical science handwave, now we have super duper power assisted joints in our dropsuits that allow us to lift and shoulder such massive things. oh, and shields to prevent the recoil from destroying our faces. or maybe the magic of science has made miniguns NOT such monsters in the future.



the REAL reason you can't sight the HMG is simple game balance.


in the current build the hmg is terrible, but giving it a scope would just make it a slightly better duvolle.

in the LAST build it was actually somewhat unique, and useful in it's own situations. it had decent damage combined with excellent RoF, balanced out by that very hipfire only restriction. if you'd been able to aim THAT, it would have been madness.

the end result was a gun that COULD tear people apart.. if they were dumb enough to hang around long enough for the barrels to spinup. that spinup time was the critical balance. combined with the heavies low movement speed, it gave anybody that wanted to ample opportunity to run for cover before being eviscerated.


so i vote no. keep it hipfire only, keep it initially inaccurate, but restore the damage and make it build heat slower. make it be really GOOD at something. a unique role that balances with the strengths and weaknesses of the heavy suit instead of just being the "AR+1: heavy suit edition"