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vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:01:00 -
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The title says it all |
VigSniper101
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:02:00 -
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Yes, simple answer says it all. |
Xanik Motiff
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:03:00 -
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Ahhhh proto heavy with creodon AR and cloak seems fair |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:04:00 -
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So it will be something scouts have built in |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:07:00 -
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Xanik Motiff wrote:Ahhhh proto heavy with creodon AR and cloak seems fair
Everyone can use a creo and it would only be usable if u had enough cpu/pg |
Riggs Tank
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:18:00 -
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If giant EVE ships can cloak and we want small dropsuits to cloak..... why cant tanks cloak? I dont think dust should get cloak ability. Sorry i just dont think it makes any sense to have every one be cloaked. it be a very boring game. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:30:00 -
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Riggs Tank wrote:If giant EVE ships can cloak and we want small dropsuits to cloak..... why cant tanks cloak? I dont think dust should get cloak ability. Sorry i just dont think it makes any sense to have every one be cloaked. it be a very boring game.
That's not the question. It's if we do get it will it be restricted to scouts. |
Riggs Tank
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:36:00 -
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Lets restrict cloaking to tanks. 
The only way i would be ok with cloaking is if its a completely different dropsuit type. Other wise we should all get cloaking. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:42:00 -
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Riggs Tank wrote:Lets restrict cloaking to tanks. The only way i would be ok with cloaking is if its a completely different dropsuit type. Other wise we should all get cloaking.
Put it on all vehicles not just tanks |
Mike Gunnzito
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:46:00 -
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No reason why cloaked scouts can't be worked into game. The should only be cloaked while still. They appear while moving.
This cloaked ability will have to compromise armor/shields and a little pg/cpu. I'd say use it for ninjaing to rear assests of map, but this will make the cloaked scout not very effective for 1v1 encounters. |
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vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:51:00 -
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Mike Gunnzito wrote:No reason why cloaked scouts can't be worked into game. The should only be cloaked while still. They appear while moving.
This cloaked ability will have to compromise armor/shields and a little pg/cpu. I'd say use it for ninjaing to rear assests of map, but this will make the cloaked scout not very effective for 1v1 encounters.
im thinking have it be a module that allows movement but makes it so you have to have it equipped to keep it activated |
Darkz azurr
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:55:00 -
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cloaked dropship, nice to get behind enemy lines with this invisible troop transport |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 13:57:00 -
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Darkz azurr wrote:cloaked dropship, nice to get behind enemy lines with this invisible troop transport
That was a joke... |
Riggs Tank
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:04:00 -
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I'd just feel alot better about it if it wasn't just some "mod" i could buy, and then for some reason could only equip it to 1 suit type.
Cloaking should be its own dropsuit type not a simple mod imho. |
Cless Vallein
Teknomen
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:04:00 -
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Seems like a viable option for them. They can't stand up to any kind of punishment, and their speed combined with current hit detection flaws are the only reason they are a current threat in 1v1... they mow down easily with an HMG
EDIT: shooting, throwing grenades, or even hacking should disable the cloak though |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:09:00 -
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Cless Vallein wrote:Seems like a viable option for them. They can't stand up to any kind of punishment, and their speed combined with current hit detection flaws are the only reason they are a current threat in 1v1... they mow down easily with an HMG
EDIT: shooting, throwing grenades, or even hacking should disable the cloak though
Why should scouts be the only ones to have an extra ability? If they get something that helps the intended play style for scouts, shouldn't all classes get something? |
Cless Vallein
Teknomen
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:10:00 -
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well only heavies can use HMGs and forge guns... and I think the scout suit is lacking as is... needs something to make it special |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:14:00 -
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Cless Vallein wrote:well only heavies can use HMGs and forge guns... and I think the scout suit is lacking as is... needs something to make it special
The hmgs are a trade off for being slow and the biggest target |
Cless Vallein
Teknomen
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:52:00 -
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vermacht Doe wrote:Cless Vallein wrote:well only heavies can use HMGs and forge guns... and I think the scout suit is lacking as is... needs something to make it special The hmgs are a trade off for being slow and the biggest target
I play a heavy and find i'm not really that slow or the biggest target. But i've been lvling the mobility, endurance, and vigor and also have kinetic booster in the low slot |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 14:56:00 -
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Cless Vallein wrote:vermacht Doe wrote:Cless Vallein wrote:well only heavies can use HMGs and forge guns... and I think the scout suit is lacking as is... needs something to make it special The hmgs are a trade off for being slow and the biggest target I play a heavy and find i'm not really that slow or the biggest target. But i've been lvling the mobility, endurance, and vigor and also have kinetic booster in the low slot
The largest target is still true but compared to another dropsuit with the same specializations, heavies are a lot slower |
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Knarf Black
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:00:00 -
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Cless Vallein wrote:well only heavies can use HMGs and forge guns... and I think the scout suit is lacking as is... needs something to make it special
I like the Scout suit's current incarnation. The fast shield recharge, low signature profile, and high non-sprint movement speed more than make up for the low HP and CPU if you play your cards right.
If anything, I think they need to make heavies even slower, larger, and tougher than they are. Unless the are actually using heavy weapons, their silhouettes aren't that different from Logi suits. (Woe be to the poor sap who confuses the two.)
Regarding the mobility, vigor, and endurance skills: do they do anything passively? I was under the impression that they only affected their modules. |
Cless Vallein
Teknomen
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:01:00 -
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well the MCC be the largest target, but I know where you're coming from and still think that scouts deserve the cloak soley |
Zeran Haggai
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:05:00 -
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I haven't seen a lot of info on cloaking other than rumors that it's going to be in game. I suppose having it scout only is a possibility, but given the way everything else works I imagine any suit with the proper slot will be able to fit the mod. I'm not sure how i feel about cloaking/invisibility. If it's done right it could be really cool, but if done wrong it could be horribly broken. My hope is that it will function like vehicle armor/shield reps, in that you have to activate it and it runs for a certain amount of time with a cooldown afterward as this would prevent people from just running around permanently cloaked. Taking an action, like shooting, hacking, ect, should also deactivate it. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 15:12:00 -
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Cless Vallein wrote:well the MCC be the largest target, but I know where you're coming from and still think that scouts deserve the cloak soley
Everyone has they're own opinion |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:13:00 -
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I want a "you can have it on any suit, but if it's not on a Scout, you probably can't have anything else with it" cloak. Basically, give them stupidly high CPU and PG requirements, and cut them back MASSIVELY for Scouts. |
vermacht Doe
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:28:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:I want a "you can have it on any suit, but if it's not on a Scout, you probably can't have anything else with it" cloak. Basically, give them stupidly high CPU and PG requirements, and cut them back MASSIVELY for Scouts.
Looks like someone aiming for special treatment just for them |
Cless Vallein
Teknomen
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:48:00 -
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Knarf Black wrote:Cless Vallein wrote:well only heavies can use HMGs and forge guns... and I think the scout suit is lacking as is... needs something to make it special I like the Scout suit's current incarnation. The fast shield recharge, low signature profile, and high non-sprint movement speed more than make up for the low HP and CPU if you play your cards right. If anything, I think they need to make heavies even slower, larger, and tougher than they are. Unless the are actually using heavy weapons, their silhouettes aren't that different from Logi suits. (Woe be to the poor sap who confuses the two.) Regarding the mobility, vigor, and endurance skills: do they do anything passively? I was under the impression that they only affected their modules.
Endurance, unlocks the cardiac stimulant module but also increases stamina 5% per lvl
mobility actually only unlocks the kinetic booster... good to know but I only equip this unit on my heavies so it works for me
Vigor unlocks the cardiac booster but also increases stamina recharge rate 5% per lvl
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Zanrel Soltech
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Posted - 2012.08.03 16:56:00 -
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I like the idea of it being a module for scouts only that keeps you hidden unless you take any action except moveing. I'm not sure if a time limit would be needed if you put it in the shield catagory so you need high shield op and shield upgrade( not looking at the skill screen so I'm not sure of the correct names or what skills fit as requirements) and make the cloak upon activation modify your shield to reflect light causing a state of invisibility but rendering your shield useless for stoping damage so all damage goes straight to armor and deactivates your cloak. just my two cents from what others have said. But I don't play scout so it doesn't matter to me. |
Icedslayer
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:05:00 -
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Yes i would love it, if it was just for the scout suite but in all reality its probably going to available for all the suites except Heavies.
But i would like to see a distinct advantage for putting it on scouts, like for example if you equip it on Scout you get 15% boost to your duration and 10% off of the cool down.
OR
If equipped to scout you get a 13% boost in sprint speed while cloaked
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Dante Daedrik
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.03 17:07:00 -
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There may eventually even be a Recon role where the player's sole purpose is to have "eyes on target" so that friendlies down range can track enemy positions, this isnt so different from flying a Buzzard in Eve. They may not get credit or kill mail like those attacking, but any good scout knows that its the Eyes that have them.
Edit: I dont see anyone doing this in miscellaneous match, but in corp battles this would be invaluable. |
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