Yea it's been scaled down a lot. 1 hit point in EVE =/= 1 hit point in Dust 514.

It's probably like 1/10 or even 1/15 of what it is in EVE.

yup its a very simple difference in scales....not a problem by any means.

I'm all for that but it should be justified somehow. It's like a person is 1.8 height and a streen is 1.8 long. But the first is metres and the second is KM. There has to be some sort of scale.
Maybe HP for EVE and mHP or uHP for Dust. We can't just have them both saying HP, that's bloody confusing.

Also keep in mind both pieces of gear will be on the same market. A player in EVE could easily buy a Magathron and a Surya and not know the real difference because they're both in HP.

That's all true. I'm just saying that as we're all in the same universe we need to be using the same system of measure.
It doesn't really make much sense when even a frigate can't OHK a proto suit...

Don't worry, we will still die from orbital strikes.

I won't cause I have a sheild umbrella LOL
Whats the point of ground troops if we will all die from orbital strikes. ??

As said before by other players, it's just a matter of scales. You are not actually able to shoot from DUST 514 environment to EVE Online one, so the hit points are not cross consistent because (so far) we don't need that.

As said before by other players, it's just a matter of scales. You are not actually able to shoot from DUST 514 environment to EVE Online one, so the hit points are not cross consistent because (so far) we don't need that.

That's odd because I heard there were Anti-Spaceship guns in dust and orbital strikes in eve.

Yea it's been scaled down a lot. 1 hit point in EVE =/= 1 hit point in Dust 514.

It's probably like 1/10 or even 1/15 of what it is in EVE.

1 point of EVE HP is approximately equal to 900 points of dust hitpoints.

I calculated this by comparing the basic railgun in eve to the basic tank railgun (militia) in dust. They should fire approximately the same size rounds, and have roughly the same firing speeds.

The militia railgun does around 900 damage, and the civilian railgun does one damage.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/item_database.php?id=i3638
Divide your damage by 900 to see how much you would do to an eve starship, or multiply your starship damage by 900 to see how much you would do to dusters.

Additionally, the round will have an approximate 10m aoe on impact due to atmospheric transference, estimated by the signature resolution of the turret. /4

So, a single civilian railgun will drop 900 damage over 40 meters, not enough to scratch the paint on a tank or kill a heavy, but enough to kill everything else. Most people run two on their rookieships, so 1800 damage, which will kill most infantry, and lavs.

Moving up, the devs are talking about orbital bombarding destroyers. Let's use my thrasher fit with a rack of 280mm artillery II with tremor S ammunition. That is 8 x 8 x 900 = 57600 damage, and I have a rack of 7, so x 7 = 403,200 damage over a range of 80 meters. (a scout can sprint over 7 meters per second, so in around 11 seconds he may be able to avoid the bombardment. LAVs base speed is 40m/s, so he can easily avoid it. HAVs base speed is around 25m/s.).

Larger ships, lets leap to the 5 million damage titan doomsday, x 900 = 4.5 billion damage. Or, glassing the field.

Battleship weaponry. Let's look at railguns this time (as shown in the e3 beta build trailer).
425mm Railgun II 3.63 x 32(Spike L) x 8(turrets) x 900 (conversion factor)= 836,352 damage over 100 meters or so.

Will these numbers actually be used? probably not, from this we can see that anything above a rookie ship can insta-gib anything on the field. The thing that will be used are the scaling radii of the orbital strikes. Bigger ships, bigger strikes.

Additionally, Ewar strikes will also be used (as mentioned by devs).

EDIT: Now, if they add in specific resistance modules (explosive/em/therm/kin) like eve, then you can coordinate with your striker for single turret precision strikes ontop of yourself. You will survive while your enemy will be destroyed. Such things are possible.

I'm all for that but it should be justified somehow. It's like a person is 1.8 height and a streen is 1.8 long. But the first is metres and the second is KM. There has to be some sort of scale.
Maybe HP for EVE and mHP or uHP for Dust. We can't just have them both saying HP, that's bloody confusing.

Also keep in mind both pieces of gear will be on the same market. A player in EVE could easily buy a Magathron and a Surya and not know the real difference because they're both in HP.

I'd figure that atmosphere interferes with Eves true damage.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the scales in each game are completely different. It doesn't matter that much to me though, since I don't play Eve (yet).

Actually I don't think that HAV turrets are BS sized they could be frigate sized, those rail gun batteries how ever could be BS sized.
Also I would definitely like to see current weapon turret variants from EvE in dust.

As detailed in this video

In EvE the Minmatar gatling machine guns don't shoot bullets, they fire nuclear artillery shells(or emp, plasma warheads, etc..), and the destroyers(getting a bonus to orbital strike this winter) can fire 7 guns at a time. Orbital strikes will be nasty, and hopefully rare.

confirming once dust/eve are linked I will be throwing away destroyers orbital bombarding any dust battle that happens in fountain/delve/quarious/period basis. Its been said that nullsec will likely be free to bombard by anyone at any time.

Calculating all of this is like... calculating what EVE capsuleers should be paying their crews for... I mean like what.. a Titan has about 70,000-120,000 crew members onboard, but you never actually have to pay them for their services? There are things that "are just done" and "translated over" in order to simplify the game somewhat.

Can you imagine what it would be like, if Capsuleers had to manage the people on their ships akin to how sports teams manage their athletes? Trading those worth "Second in command" status aboard a ship for X# of "High Value Crew" or somesuch... then having to manage all their salaries?

I can tell you one thing. those large guilds/corporations wouldn't have so much money to wave around if such a thing actually happened.

This is also akin to ships from EVE having direct attacks upon the Dust field. Highly unlikely that any and all ships will be allowed to launch strikes. I expect a module of some kind with a specially designed ship for atmospheric assaults, due to the fact that the upper atmosphere can deflect and incinerate shots if they are not prepared correctly. (also gravity bending etc which capsuleers don't have to worry about in the void)

I love you people who think you'll just pick up EVE at some point in the future.

In order to achieve warp velocity EVE ships are actually made of paper, hence DUST armour scales well compared to ship hulls.

Abaddon:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIwMzA1OTA4.html

Charon:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIwMzA2MTcy.html

In order to achieve warp velocity EVE ships are actually made of paper, hence DUST armour scales well compared to ship hulls.

Abaddon:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIwMzA1OTA4.html

Charon:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIwMzA2MTcy.html

In order to achieve warp velocity EVE ships are actually made of paper, hence DUST armour scales well compared to ship hulls.

Abaddon:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIwMzA1OTA4.html

Charon:
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNDIwMzA2MTcy.html

I did, and I only have had a single bad day my second month in, and not one ever since

We need to encourage people to get into EVE anyways, as it is easy to get into with friends to help explain what the limited tutorials don't. EVE merely operates on common sense, once you realize that real life concepts apply to it, you should have an easy time.

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whats 4?

Calculating all of this is like... calculating what EVE capsuleers should be paying their crews for... I mean like what.. a Titan has about 70,000-120,000 crew members onboard, but you never actually have to pay them for their services? There are things that "are just done" and "translated over" in order to simplify the game somewhat.

Can you imagine what it would be like, if Capsuleers had to manage the people on their ships akin to how sports teams manage their athletes? Trading those worth "Second in command" status aboard a ship for X# of "High Value Crew" or somesuch... then having to manage all their salaries?

I can tell you one thing. those large guilds/corporations wouldn't have so much money to wave around if such a thing actually happened.

This is also akin to ships from EVE having direct attacks upon the Dust field. Highly unlikely that any and all ships will be allowed to launch strikes. I expect a module of some kind with a specially designed ship for atmospheric assaults, due to the fact that the upper atmosphere can deflect and incinerate shots if they are not prepared correctly. (also gravity bending etc which capsuleers don't have to worry about in the void)