So you want a game like LOL Brink which failed in the first week?

I'd like to take this moment and point out that K/D is insanely important in it's own regards... for Ambush maps. Skirmish maps are better suited to the win/loss or (how about a new stat) points/game stats. Sure, it's used as a epeen stat, but as long as mine is above 1.0, I know that I take down more guys than times I've died and that gives me comfort that I'm not "that" bad.

K/D - Ambush
win/loss - Skirmish

Appropriate stat for appropriate map.

Who the **** cares about their "KDR" in a virtual world?! Damn, some of these people need to get a life.

There's one problem with your theory.

The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic.

For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them.
So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank.

Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design.

In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves.

Yeah, guys.

We should totally try to increase our real life KDR instead...

There's one problem with your theory.

The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic.

For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them.
So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank.

Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design.

In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves.

There's one problem with your theory.

The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic.

For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them.
So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank.

Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design.

In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves.

There's one problem with your reasoning.

It doesn't actually have any relevance to what the person you quoted was saying, and it certainly isn't a problem with his theory.

Much of it is true, but just as much is wrong, and even the parts that are factually correct have no bearing on the conclusion you're drawing form those facts.

It's about as relevant as me saying "I have a blanket, your argument is invalid."

But having a high k/d and completing objectives arent mutually exclusive. Saying it doesn't matter is just as silly as saying it's all that matters. Both extremes are pointless and ridiculous, as is the idea that one can always succeed without the other. The really successful corps will have people who can do both. These threads are getting tired on both sides.

So if someone wants faster strafing speeds they are idiots who hate tanks and drop ships. That is straight ignorant and I suspect you are mad.

You sir are a tool and a fail troll. GTFO.

See you on the battlefield.

Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust.

It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting.

You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game.

And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage.

So you want a game like LOL Brink which failed in the first week?

Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust.

It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting.

You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game.

And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage.

Actually, to use your argument in a more appropriate manner, this particular discussion is more like being given something and told "I'm trying to make cake frosting, how's this?" and saying "it tastes like peas. Why does it taste like peas?" after trying some.

Nobody's asking for K/D to be the only stat that matters. I'm certainly not (read my other posts in the thread if you don't believe me), but it's still important even in objective-based game modes, and moreso in ambush.

You sure do make a lot of discriminatory assumptions without knowing anything about me.

You are trolling and doing it poorly.

You ignorance is beneath you and I can see through you.

Now Garrett, when you say it, I believe you mean it.

However, there is a thing called subtext on a message board. Especially if you know the players and the cliques.
Is KDR an indicator of skill? Sure. It's not the end all be all of everything like some would like to think it is.
Killing the entire team when on offense does not make for holding circle on an objective. If that objective is in the middle of a meat grinder, most of the "leet beasts" get chewed up like anyone else if they run into two heavies walking the walk. The objective still has to be taken. Now, on the older map where you could forge gun/swarm launch the A/B objectives, killing the defending team is beneficial because that means the defenders can't shoot the guys and gals with the aforementioned forges/swarms.

Those are not the people I'm talking about.

There's that level of FPS player, and then there's the guy in the story I'm about to tell.

I was playing MAG a couple of months...hell maybe six...ago and I was attacking. It was a PUG grouping and we were the far better pugs than the guys defending. For those of you unfamiliar with MAG's sabotage mode, two squads of 8 attack an objective, and there are two objectives....A and B. If both A and B are controlled by the attacking team at the same time then it opens the "C" objective and if you take that as an attacker you win. If you do it in 10 minutes, it's a major victory, if you do it in less than the 20 mins allowed and after 10 mins its a minor victory.

So we're storming along for a Major, just pouring it on heavy, making a bee line for C when I hear something like this on the mic:
"If ya'll go take C this fast, ain't none of us gonna get any Grims*! Ya'll need to get off that objective!!"

If was the platoon leader speaking to the other 31 guys on his team. And when we ignored him and took the objective less than two minutes later, he got back on the mic and started cussing everyone out.

That's the kind of player that I'm speaking of. And they are here on this board. They talk about "balance" and "OP" but everything they do is to try to manipulate other players into supporting a view point that is good only for them. They talk about "the playerbase", but what they really mean is "me me me" or "my stats my stats my stats".

Kind of offended by your ignorance. You just assume I am one of these people because of my opinion on one game mechanic in a beta. So you throw a big fit and troll me and make a bunch of idiotic assumptions.

If you want you can go look at my player card in mag. I don't have triple grims to hours from tryharding and delaying matches. I do have G>H but I play to win.

I am not an idiot who hates drop ships and tanks just because I want high strafe speeds. You sir are ignorant and your trolling holds no weight because your trolling is based on assumptions.

Rant on bro.

Fight club btw.

We need more stats to get a clear picture.
1)total kills:not real useful, but we already have it and I'm a little biased since I make the leader board here sometimes
2)kills per match ratio: more useful then total kills, helps tell if player plays aggressively or cautious when viewed next to kdr
3)kill per death ratio: already covered by others above. leader board in ambush should follow this.
4)total wp: combined with total kills would give ballpark of skill points earned, like age in EvE.
5)wp per match: this would be best for leader board for skirmish
6)wp per death: the logistics guys kdr, since ammo,healing, and repair help it as well as kills.

The other stats will make it easier to spot the lone wolf only kdr, or the padded kdr from the just plain good players. It also gives people more options of things to look for when hiring merc or recruiting for corp(clan). Different people will thing different things are most important, so let them look at different stats.

isk lost per kill, death, and match could be useful too. So would average isk value killed vs killed in suits. Tracking these could be hard to do once player market causes price swings. So may not be worth time when so many other things need work.