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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.08.01 01:55:00 -
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xprotoman23 wrote:testguy242 wrote:I really wish kill stats weren't even listed anywhere. It encourages a CoD bro-shooter mentality instead of a teamwork mentality.
It doesn't matter how many kills someone has if his team doesn't accomplish its objective. So you want a game like LOL Brink which failed in the first week?
As much as I hate to say it, for once, *shudders* Protoman has a point. (j/k, it's not really that surprising)
Brink avoided showing kill stats, and K/D, and that, while not the ONLY mistake it made, contributed quite heavily to the game failing.
If the defending team is full of people who are awesome at killing, with high K/D stats, and no teamwork, it's still going to be absolute hell to try and capture even a single point from them. Once you've done that, their individualistic K/D focus will make it a lot easier to HOLD those points and win, but getting there in the first place is insanely hard. If they have some semblance of teamwork going with it, you're pretty much screwed unless your team has some good killers on it as well.
Killing may not be the core focus or primary objective, but it still matters. |
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Posted - 2012.08.01 02:06:00 -
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The Polish Hammer wrote:Jimbeezy wrote:
KD/R matters, the TRUE problem is the "lone wolfs" think KD/R is everything.
THANK YOU! Finally someone else sees the "lone wolf" guys that don't do anything for their team (not that i'm saying nobody else sees it as an issue). If you're good at killing, do what you do best, but do it in a way that facilitates your team pushing towards a win.
What do you mean "finally"? This has been said many times, by many people (including, but not limited to, me) in many threads on this topic before. |
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Posted - 2012.08.01 04:35:00 -
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TotalBreakage wrote:Who the **** cares about their "KDR" in a virtual world?! Damn, some of these people need to get a life.
Yeah, guys.
We should totally try to increase our real life KDR instead...  |
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Posted - 2012.08.01 05:21:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:Swufy Gnomenclatur wrote:I'd like to take this moment and point out that K/D is insanely important in it's own regards... for Ambush maps. Skirmish maps are better suited to the win/loss or (how about a new stat) points/game stats. Sure, it's used as a epeen stat, but as long as mine is above 1.0, I know that I take down more guys than times I've died and that gives me comfort that I'm not "that" bad.
K/D - Ambush
win/loss - Skirmish
Appropriate stat for appropriate map. There's one problem with your theory. The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic. For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them. So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank. Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design. In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves.
There's one problem with your reasoning.
It doesn't actually have any relevance to what the person you quoted was saying, and it certainly isn't a problem with his theory.
Much of it is true, but just as much is wrong, and even the parts that are factually correct have no bearing on the conclusion you're drawing form those facts.
It's about as relevant as me saying "I have a blanket, your argument is invalid."
EDIT: And you spelt "Pidgey" wrong. |
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Posted - 2012.08.01 06:33:00 -
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BattleCry1791 wrote:Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust.
It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting.
You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game.
And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage.
Actually, to use your argument in a more appropriate manner, this particular discussion is more like being given something and told "I'm trying to make cake frosting, how's this?" and saying "it tastes like peas. Why does it taste like peas?" after trying some.
Nobody's asking for K/D to be the only stat that matters. I'm certainly not (read my other posts in the thread if you don't believe me), but it's still important even in objective-based game modes, and moreso in ambush. |
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Posted - 2012.08.01 08:44:00 -
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Edited out the contents of all those posts because wall of quotes was getting a little too ridiculous, but here goes...
In general, you're right about a lot of the people giving feedback here. With the way you presented things in this thread, however, you're targeting legitimately productive suggestions and lumping the people suggesting improvements to balance and gameplay into the same group as the ACTUAL trolls (which I suspect Crimson is turning into in this thread, since in addition to the 2 replies he's given you with nothing but "you're a troll" to their contents, he also advised me not to bother trying to reason with you because of that assumption (Sorry Crimson, you've made good posts in other threads, but you're not being any better than BattleCry at his worst in this one). |
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