DUST Search - Why does KDR matter so much to people?

TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote:

Oryx Offerton wrote:

It's just some numbers and you rank. I'm not a serious player, I play for fun. I try to ENJOY the game rather than try to get my KDR up.

KDR is only for good for a death match, but not in Planetary Conquest.

In MAG I have a decent KDR, but my ribbons is what that stands out for me. Repairing, healing, multiple head shots, taking the objectives, MVP, etc. Those are the things that shows that you actually helping your team mates. Sure, KDR represents you kill more than dying, but you can be sniping and not taking the objectives or you lose more games than actually winning a game because you only care about the KDR. In MAG, I secure objectives, heal players, I destroy bunkers, repair a bunkers, take out the AAA or repair, etc. The ribbons says it all because you are actually a team player. Having those ribbons that represents what you do in the battle plus your KDR, then you're a good player. I have seen players with nice KDR, but didn't do anything to contribute like repairing nor healing.

KDR is out of this league.

If I was an EVE player, who will likely I will be hiring to defend my territory?

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Oryx Offerton Doomheim 61	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:14:00 - [1] - Quote It's just some numbers and you rank. I'm not a serious player, I play for fun. I try to ENJOY the game rather than try to get my KDR up.
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:16:00 - [2] - Quote It won't matter much when corporations are introduced. It's more win/loss ratio that does.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:17:00 - [3] - Quote cause it's fun
Sojuro Ryo Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 189	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:17:00 - [4] - Quote It's for the ones with low self-esteem. They need as much self gratification as possible and k/dr is that.
Zeran Haggai Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:26:00 - [5] - Quote Because K/D is a measurement of how well you've preformed against other players in the game. Most people in a competition like to perform well. I tend to like having a positive k/d much better than a negative, and hate dying despite the fact that I do so frequently enough. Say what you want people with high k/d's are typically good at the game and I'd rather have them on my team than not.
Winscar Shinobi 50	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:39:00 - [6] - Quote Because a team with a bunch of 10+ KDRs usually means they beat the hell out of you. So they have a big KDR, beat you to a pulp, AND took your planet. Your broke, they're rich. Having a high KDR and constantly losing is a rare thing. Thinking someone has a high KDR means they don't go for wins and lose alot is dumb logic.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:42:00 - [7] - Quote K/D is the only meaningful stat in simple shooters. Therefore, any gamer will use that as a measurement of their worth ingame. Dust is not one of those games however, so people spouting K/D need to learn that while its a nice stat, its certainly not going to get me to go "Ohhh, Ahhhh" Corporations/teamwork and MONEY win in Dust.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 401	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:44:00 - [8] - Quote Four scouts(V L5, E L5 and M L5) went for the objectives all game like super fast dust bunnies. The other team had better KDR but we WON!!
Laheon Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 153	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:47:00 - [9] - Quote ^ Lurch has it down. KDR isn't the best stat to measure games like BF and DUST with. There are primary objectives to go for, e.g. capturing the missile turrets shooting your command ship down. If you go 30/0, but don't help your team capture or defend points, then what use are you really? Sure, you might have kept the enemy away from the objectives, but if your team haven't capped... What's the point? Your corp can have 50 players, all of whom have the best kdr, but if you hold no territory, then it's for nothing. Why? Because you can't afford tanks, dropsuits, dropships, etc, which you need to fight battles. EVE corps won't give a crap about your KDR. They'll care about how many you win, and how many you lose. They want to cap territory, and couldn't care less about maintaining your KDR. Hell, they might just hire you then bombard you from orbit, just to grief.
Berserker007 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 206	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:47:00 - [10] - Quote Kdr means differ things to people, for me, since im not elite, i simply look at kdr to judge how i am playing. If good then i play the same, if i notice its going down then i figure im doing something wrong and try to change my playstyle to be more effective

TiMeSpLiT--TeR Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore 326	Posted - 2012.07.31 19:49:00 - [11] - Quote Oryx Offerton wrote: It's just some numbers and you rank. I'm not a serious player, I play for fun. I try to ENJOY the game rather than try to get my KDR up. KDR is only for good for a death match, but not in Planetary Conquest. In MAG I have a decent KDR, but my ribbons is what that stands out for me. Repairing, healing, multiple head shots, taking the objectives, MVP, etc. Those are the things that shows that you actually helping your team mates. Sure, KDR represents you kill more than dying, but you can be sniping and not taking the objectives or you lose more games than actually winning a game because you only care about the KDR. In MAG, I secure objectives, heal players, I destroy bunkers, repair a bunkers, take out the AAA or repair, etc. The ribbons says it all because you are actually a team player. Having those ribbons that represents what you do in the battle plus your KDR, then you're a good player. I have seen players with nice KDR, but didn't do anything to contribute like repairing nor healing. KDR is out of this league. If I was an EVE player, who will likely I will be hiring to defend my territory?
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:03:00 - [12] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: KDR is out of this league. If I was an EVE player, who will likely I will be hiring to defend my territory? Id hire the ones with awesome k/d, but thats just me.
Bresker Veyne Algintal Core Gallente Federation 152	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:04:00 - [13] - Quote Overcompensation for small genitals
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 808	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:06:00 - [14] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: KDR is out of this league. If I was an EVE player, who will likely I will be hiring to defend my territory? Id hire the ones with awesome k/d, but thats just me. sure any good corporation will have a couple wrecking balls just to have as a tactical asset, but clearing an area will most likely be put in the hands of vehicles when possible. also good corporations will simply have a higher all around K/D among its members
Debacle Nano Shadow Company HQ 639	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:06:00 - [15] - Quote Garma QUDA wrote: TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: KDR is out of this league. If I was an EVE player, who will likely I will be hiring to defend my territory? Id hire the ones with awesome k/d, but thats just me. I hope I'm fighting whoever thinks like you.
Garma QUDA Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 468	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:07:00 - [16] - Quote Bresker Veyne wrote: Overcompensation for small genitals I thinks its more along the lines of having a third one.
Naturi Riclenore BetaMax. 120	Posted - 2012.07.31 20:23:00 - [17] - Quote TiMeSpLiT--TeR wrote: Oryx Offerton wrote: It's just some numbers and you rank. I'm not a serious player, I play for fun. I try to ENJOY the game rather than try to get my KDR up. KDR is only for good for a death match, but not in Planetary Conquest. In MAG I have a decent KDR, but my ribbons is what that stands out for me. Repairing, healing, multiple head shots, taking the objectives, MVP, etc. Those are the things that shows that you actually helping your team mates. Sure, KDR represents you kill more than dying, but you can be sniping and not taking the objectives or you lose more games than actually winning a game because you only care about the KDR. In MAG, I secure objectives, heal players, I destroy bunkers, repair a bunkers, take out the AAA or repair, etc. The ribbons says it all because you are actually a team player. Having those ribbons that represents what you do in the battle plus your KDR, then you're a good player. I have seen players with nice KDR, but didn't do anything to contribute like repairing nor healing. KDR is out of this league. If I was an EVE player, who will likely I will be hiring to defend my territory? I was going to point that out. In past FPS's, KDR was the only thing a person could use to gauge "skill." Even then, it wasn't the best stat (cause KDR can be fabricated) to use. 2 people could go in a far off corner and just sit there and kill one another over and over again; thus their KDR is "fabricated"; it might look good, but it's not really "true." But it was the only thing to go off of. In games like MAG, BF, and DUST, KDR takes on less of a meaning due to the fact we have objectives. As was stated, for instance in MAG, you received medals as well as it showed wins vs loses. So I could look at a player and see the medals they had earned. Even if their KDR was 1.0, if they earned 0 medals, and were 0 wins, 200 loses, their KDR means absolutely nothing to me as they are just worried about "pew-pew" and nothing else. The same will be true here in DUST 514. Because it will be tied into EVE, they will not want to hire you for a contract if they see that you are not a team player. If they see you are not one to take objectives or heal team members, etc... they won't want you. You could be ranked #1 in KDR, but it won't get you hired if you have 0 wins. Remember, we are guns for higher and they want us to take / defend various territories. So KDR will factor in, but it won't be the defining value
Absol Evoxazon Hikahotaru 28	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:11:00 - [18] - Quote Oryx Offerton wrote: It's just some numbers and you rank. I'm not a serious player, I play for fun. I try to ENJOY the game rather than try to get my KDR up. Because they think they are cool in real life from it.
testguy242 44	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:39:00 - [19] - Quote I really wish kill stats weren't even listed anywhere. It encourages a CoD bro-shooter mentality instead of a teamwork mentality. It doesn't matter how many kills someone has if his team doesn't accomplish its objective.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:40:00 - [20] - Quote testguy242 wrote: I really wish kill stats weren't even listed anywhere. It encourages a CoD bro-shooter mentality instead of a teamwork mentality. It doesn't matter how many kills someone has if his team doesn't accomplish its objective. So you want a game like LOL Brink which failed in the first week?

ReGnUm DEl Doomheim 622	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:41:00 - [21] - Quote KDR>EVERYTHING Enough said
Zeran Haggai Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:49:00 - [22] - Quote testguy242 wrote: I really wish kill stats weren't even listed anywhere. It encourages a CoD bro-shooter mentality instead of a teamwork mentality. It doesn't matter how many kills someone has if his team doesn't accomplish its objective. But having a high k/d and completing objectives arent mutually exclusive. Saying it doesn't matter is just as silly as saying it's all that matters. Both extremes are pointless and ridiculous, as is the idea that one can always succeed without the other. The really successful corps will have people who can do both. These threads are getting tired on both sides.
Ad ski IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 209	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:56:00 - [23] - Quote You can still have a good K/D and win. Going on win/loss can be just as bad for judging people. If someone plays alone a lot chances are they will have a crappy win/loss.
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:58:00 - [24] - Quote cause it's fun to get people that don't have high KDR's worked up and bait them into writing long explanations as to why they matter.
Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.07.31 21:59:00 - [25] - Quote Debacle Nano wrote: It won't matter much when corporations are introduced. It's more win/loss ratio that does. Believe this if you want!...Take a clan with good killers and team work then a clan with not so good killers and teamwork the clan that just has teamwork will lose everytime! It's been proven. I've seen clans that pride there teamwork over everything killers are not in high order but they are very well organized. They face a clan with organized killers they get steam rolled and that's not the only shooter I've seen it happen in.
Jimbeezy Imperfects Negative-Feedback 219	Posted - 2012.07.31 23:54:00 - [26] - Quote Anybody who doubts that KD/R isn't important and that it doesn't matter is one of two things, (A) someone who doesn't take the game seriously or (B) someone who doesn't know how to use there gun properly. KD/R matters, its not everything but it's pretty damn close. When "us" players with good KD/R's kill you you can't do anything for your team. We will keep on killing you invading your clone reserve units and taking them for our own. Then.......there is nothing you can do. KD/R matters, the TRUE problem is the "lone wolfs" think KD/R is everything.
Drunken Legend 6	Posted - 2012.08.01 00:47:00 - [27] - Quote it wont be as huge of a factor when corperations are put out, but atm its pointless people are playing capture the objective but never going after a point or helping there team when the game comes out corps full of snipers just sitting watchin a point will fail because they have no skill to get in there and get it done now dont get me wrong it does matter i dont wanna be on a team full of ****** kdr but if its outragously high i dont want you either cuz that tells me you sit back and help yourself i want a team full of people getting down and dirty watching my back with me as we overrun the enemy together.
The Polish Hammer Doomheim 373	Posted - 2012.08.01 00:53:00 - [28] - Quote Jimbeezy wrote: KD/R matters, the TRUE problem is the "lone wolfs" think KD/R is everything. THANK YOU! Finally someone else sees the "lone wolf" guys that don't do anything for their team (not that i'm saying nobody else sees it as an issue). If you're good at killing, do what you do best, but do it in a way that facilitates your team pushing towards a win.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.01 01:55:00 - [29] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: testguy242 wrote: I really wish kill stats weren't even listed anywhere. It encourages a CoD bro-shooter mentality instead of a teamwork mentality. It doesn't matter how many kills someone has if his team doesn't accomplish its objective. So you want a game like LOL Brink which failed in the first week? As much as I hate to say it, for once, shudders Protoman has a point. (j/k, it's not really that surprising) Brink avoided showing kill stats, and K/D, and that, while not the ONLY mistake it made, contributed quite heavily to the game failing. If the defending team is full of people who are awesome at killing, with high K/D stats, and no teamwork, it's still going to be absolute hell to try and capture even a single point from them. Once you've done that, their individualistic K/D focus will make it a lot easier to HOLD those points and win, but getting there in the first place is insanely hard. If they have some semblance of teamwork going with it, you're pretty much screwed unless your team has some good killers on it as well. Killing may not be the core focus or primary objective, but it still matters.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.08.01 02:06:00 - [30] - Quote The Polish Hammer wrote: Jimbeezy wrote: KD/R matters, the TRUE problem is the "lone wolfs" think KD/R is everything. THANK YOU! Finally someone else sees the "lone wolf" guys that don't do anything for their team (not that i'm saying nobody else sees it as an issue). If you're good at killing, do what you do best, but do it in a way that facilitates your team pushing towards a win. What do you mean "finally"? This has been said many times, by many people (including, but not limited to, me) in many threads on this topic before.



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