DUST Search - Why does KDR matter so much to people?

Crimson MoonV wrote:

BattleCry1791 wrote:

Crimson MoonV wrote:

BattleCry1791 wrote:

Swufy Gnomenclatur wrote:

I'd like to take this moment and point out that K/D is insanely important in it's own regards... for Ambush maps. Skirmish maps are better suited to the win/loss or (how about a new stat) points/game stats. Sure, it's used as a epeen stat, but as long as mine is above 1.0, I know that I take down more guys than times I've died and that gives me comfort that I'm not "that" bad.

K/D - Ambush
win/loss - Skirmish

Appropriate stat for appropriate map.

There's one problem with your theory.

The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic.

For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them.
So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank.

Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design.

In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves.

So if someone wants faster strafing speeds they are idiots who hate tanks and drop ships. That is straight ignorant and I suspect you are mad.

You sir are a tool and a fail troll. GTFO.

See you on the battlefield.

Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust.

It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting.

You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game.

And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage.

You sure do make a lot of discriminatory assumptions without knowing anything about me.

You are trolling and doing it poorly.

You ignorance is beneath you and I can see through you.


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BattleCry1791 70	Posted - 2012.08.01 03:58:00 - [1] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: testguy242 wrote: I really wish kill stats weren't even listed anywhere. It encourages a CoD bro-shooter mentality instead of a teamwork mentality. It doesn't matter how many kills someone has if his team doesn't accomplish its objective. So you want a game like LOL Brink which failed in the first week? Yeah, actually I do. Brink didn't die because of the gameplay or conceptual ideas, it died because of bots, no grouping, and boring maps...and the graphics. Some of the ideas in that game were pretty revolutionary and awesome. However, it left out some of the most basic elements of online gaming; ie, it made it difficult to play with friends. That and it had no clan support. Since it wasn't run and gun TDM (didn't even have a mode for it) guys like you refused to play it. And since the guys like me and my clan of the time couldn't group up easily (and if we did all we could play was bots half the time) we gave up on it. Went back later as a group once they installed clan support and got into a really awesome match against another clan with even numbers. We literally won at the last second on a map they should have easily waxed us on. But there just weren't enough people playing to sustain interest. I liked Brink a lot from a concept standpoint (and what they did with the medic class....just wow, there was some really truly interesting stuff there). Wish it would have been better put together, because then I wouldn't have to put up with your trifflin' ass on this board because I'd be playing that instead.
BattleCry1791 70	Posted - 2012.08.01 04:10:00 - [2] - Quote Swufy Gnomenclatur wrote: I'd like to take this moment and point out that K/D is insanely important in it's own regards... for Ambush maps. Skirmish maps are better suited to the win/loss or (how about a new stat) points/game stats. Sure, it's used as a epeen stat, but as long as mine is above 1.0, I know that I take down more guys than times I've died and that gives me comfort that I'm not "that" bad. K/D - Ambush win/loss - Skirmish Appropriate stat for appropriate map. There's one problem with your theory. The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic. For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them. So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank. Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design. In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves.
BattleCry1791 70	Posted - 2012.08.01 06:16:00 - [3] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Swufy Gnomenclatur wrote: I'd like to take this moment and point out that K/D is insanely important in it's own regards... for Ambush maps. Skirmish maps are better suited to the win/loss or (how about a new stat) points/game stats. Sure, it's used as a epeen stat, but as long as mine is above 1.0, I know that I take down more guys than times I've died and that gives me comfort that I'm not "that" bad. K/D - Ambush win/loss - Skirmish Appropriate stat for appropriate map. There's one problem with your theory. The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic. For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them. So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank. Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design. In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves. So if someone wants faster strafing speeds they are idiots who hate tanks and drop ships. That is straight ignorant and I suspect you are mad. You sir are a tool and a fail troll. GTFO. See you on the battlefield. Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust. It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting. You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game. And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage.
BattleCry1791 70	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:18:00 - [4] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust. It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting. You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game. And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage. Actually, to use your argument in a more appropriate manner, this particular discussion is more like being given something and told "I'm trying to make cake frosting, how's this?" and saying "it tastes like peas. Why does it taste like peas?" after trying some. Nobody's asking for K/D to be the only stat that matters. I'm certainly not (read my other posts in the thread if you don't believe me), but it's still important even in objective-based game modes, and moreso in ambush. Now Garrett, when you say it, I believe you mean it. However, there is a thing called subtext on a message board. Especially if you know the players and the cliques. Is KDR an indicator of skill? Sure. It's not the end all be all of everything like some would like to think it is. Killing the entire team when on offense does not make for holding circle on an objective. If that objective is in the middle of a meat grinder, most of the "leet beasts" get chewed up like anyone else if they run into two heavies walking the walk. The objective still has to be taken. Now, on the older map where you could forge gun/swarm launch the A/B objectives, killing the defending team is beneficial because that means the defenders can't shoot the guys and gals with the aforementioned forges/swarms. Those are not the people I'm talking about. There's that level of FPS player, and then there's the guy in the story I'm about to tell. I was playing MAG a couple of months...hell maybe six...ago and I was attacking. It was a PUG grouping and we were the far better pugs than the guys defending. For those of you unfamiliar with MAG's sabotage mode, two squads of 8 attack an objective, and there are two objectives....A and B. If both A and B are controlled by the attacking team at the same time then it opens the "C" objective and if you take that as an attacker you win. If you do it in 10 minutes, it's a major victory, if you do it in less than the 20 mins allowed and after 10 mins its a minor victory. So we're storming along for a Major, just pouring it on heavy, making a bee line for C when I hear something like this on the mic: "If ya'll go take C this fast, ain't none of us gonna get any Grims! Ya'll need to get off that objective!!" If was the platoon leader speaking to the other 31 guys on his team. And when we ignored him and took the objective less than two minutes later, he got back on the mic and started cussing everyone out. That's the kind of player that I'm speaking of. And they are here on this board. They talk about "balance" and "OP" but everything they do is to try to manipulate other players into supporting a view point that is good only for them. They talk about "the playerbase", but what they really mean is "me me me" or "my stats my stats my stats". Knowing this, I just prefer to cut through the BS and attack the larger issue head on. I mean, I could sit here and roll out verbal traps disguised as discourse and then go "AH HA.....see I told you all along". But I've done that and been there. There's no getting through to players like that because they buy into their own BS. So instead I'm trying a different tact. Still probably won't work, but I'm known for my tenacity. It's just how I roll. Grim = short for Grim reaper ribbon. 35 kills in one game. Some MAG Players actually deleted accounts with 500+ plus hours of game time to start over and get Grims over hours....in other words, more Grims than time in game.
BattleCry1791 70	Posted - 2012.08.01 08:27:00 - [5] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: BattleCry1791 wrote: Swufy Gnomenclatur wrote: I'd like to take this moment and point out that K/D is insanely important in it's own regards... for Ambush maps. Skirmish maps are better suited to the win/loss or (how about a new stat) points/game stats. Sure, it's used as a epeen stat, but as long as mine is above 1.0, I know that I take down more guys than times I've died and that gives me comfort that I'm not "that" bad. K/D - Ambush win/loss - Skirmish Appropriate stat for appropriate map. There's one problem with your theory. The players that promote KDR > all will never admit to any other stat being as important, much less more important than KDR. Ever. They also tell you that every time they die was because of a broken game mechanic. For example; tanks, according to Piggy, are broken game mechanics. He may say "unlimited ammo and movement speed", but what he really means is, "Tanks are a broken game mechanic". Just because they kill him and he refuses to spec to kill them. So instead of understanding the reality of the game he's playing and just accepting that his Scout suit is quite literally cannon fodder, he instead asks for game modes without tanks, asks for all tanks to be nerfed, and hopes deep, deep down inside, that somewhere, somehow, they'll make a T2 SMG that can one shot a militia tank. Lesson to be learned here, is that there are some people, you just can't reason with. And there's at least 5 of them that post on this board and they all are in love with faster strafing speeds. They also hate tanks and dropships, and believe that attacking forces should have the advantage on battlefields by design. In short, they're selfish dolts with no regard for anyone other than themselves. So if someone wants faster strafing speeds they are idiots who hate tanks and drop ships. That is straight ignorant and I suspect you are mad. You sir are a tool and a fail troll. GTFO. See you on the battlefield. Awwwwwww, did I strike a nerve? You GFTO. I'm not the one that has problems with tanks and straight up shooting. Those of you that do don't actually want to play Dust. It's like eating Peas and complaining that it doesn't taste like cake frosting. You don't want to Play Dust, you want to play some other game where KDR is the only thing that will ever matter. I honestly don't know why you asshats are here at all. It's not your game. And I'm not a troll, I'm not looking for your reaction, I'm looking for you to go away before your brand of idiocy catches on and screws up any chance Dust has of being something other than a joke and an after thought. Hipspraying with a bullet hose at 10 feet while dancing in circles is not skill. That's garbage. You sure do make a lot of discriminatory assumptions without knowing anything about me. You are trolling and doing it poorly. You ignorance is beneath you and I can see through you. You post, I read, it's not called assumption, it's called comprehension. If I'm a troll and doing it poorly, then how come you keep responding? So either I'm not a troll and what passes for a reply from you is your part of a conversation...OR I am a troll and I'm so good that you think you got control over the situation but you really don't....OR You're not just dumber than a box of rocks but unable to control any impulses you have since you JUST SAID TWICE that I'm a troll but you're still replying to my threads. So the question now...do you respond three times to a troll? Or do you give up the fight and walk away from the thread? Either way, all I can tell you is that you are not special, you are not a unique and beautiful snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else. And a special no prize to anyone that can name that movie.
BattleCry1791 70	Posted - 2012.08.01 09:10:00 - [6] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Kind of offended by your ignorance. You just assume I am one of these people because of my opinion on one game mechanic in a beta. So you throw a big fit and troll me and make a bunch of idiotic assumptions. You're the one that took ONE bit of my rant and decided to take offense and then go on for three replies about how the bulk of it doesn't apply to you. Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt Quote: If you want you can go look at my player card in mag. I don't have triple grims to hours from tryharding and delaying matches. I do have G>H but I play to win. Who wants to log onto MAG and even if I did, thanks for listing your PSN ID so I could Quote: I am not an idiot who hates drop ships and tanks just because I want high strafe speeds. You sir are ignorant and your trolling holds no weight because your trolling is based on assumptions. Garbage. You hate em, you know it Quote: Rant on bro. Oh thanks for the permission, cuz I would have totally stopped if you hadn't sed so Quote: Fight club btw. Awesome flick ain't it? You win the no prize.