no

Yes. Definitely.

Besides, this thread is a duplicate: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28293

Forge is fine. Dropships are not tanks..

I find forge guns fine how they are like the man said dropships aint no tank.
You should just fly higher and when low keep moving.

Forge is fine. Dropships are not tanks..

OMFG..........NO

Enough with the ******* nerfing already.

OMFG..........NO

Enough with the ******* nerfing already.

The instant hit and Indefinite range of the forge gun is a major balance issue in itself but the fact that it can decimate a fully spec'd shield tanking Myron in 2 hits is a bit much! To give this weapon infinite range, instant hit and massive damage whilst leaving the user with a good measure of mobility (enough to track a vehicle) just makes this weapon massively overpowered.

The forge gun maybe able to take out dropships but it is next to impossible to take down a top level HAV solo so if anything I say they need a direct damage buff, or a way to over charge a shot using more ammo but doing double damage for every round you over charge with. So charge longer, do more damage, but have fewer shots. Maybe have the screen shake and recoil increase to match over charge.

The forge isn't instant hit.

The forge gun maybe able to take out dropships but it is next to impossible to take down a top level HAV solo so if anything I say they need a direct damage buff, or a way to over charge a shot using more ammo but doing double damage for every round you over charge with. So charge longer, do more damage, but have fewer shots. Maybe have the screen shake and recoil increase to match over charge.

I'm fully spec'd for forge gunning so I think i may be able to help clarify your concerns.

The main fit I run includes a prototype heavy suit and a prototype assault forge gun with 3 complex heavy damage mods - Forge guns do not hit harder than I can.

It usually takes two direct hits to kill a militia tank and 1 shot to down a militia dropship. Well-fitted and skilled militia tanks take 3 shots to a full clip (4) to take down. Well-fitted and skilled marauders are beastly and usually take 4-8 direct hits in sequence to down. Keep in mind that if the vehicles can move and get outside my draw distance or put terrain features between us their survivability goes up greatly.

Forge guns as have already been stated are not instant hit weapons. You have to lead your target depending upon speed, range and direction which can be REALLY hard, especially against dropships which can move in 4 dimensions (up/down, left/right, forward/back and faster/slower.) Leading your target also means leading the charge-up time on the thing. At 2.5 seconds this is not insignificant - hitting a fast moving dropship takes skill, not just an uber weapon and skillpoints.

Tracking? Are you serious? Shooting at the south eastern CRU - a stationary target mind you - from the hilltop south of Bravo, I usually miss 1 out of 6 shots. That is a 16% miss ratio against a stationary target from a stationary position from a distance of about 50-60 meters. Accuracy is TERRIBLE with these things. Incidentally, if I can land 4 shots - a full clip - the CRU dies, so if I miss a shot I have to reload, standing there waving my junk in the air while I wait. With only 16 shots in TOTAL available, it doesn't take long to blow through the entire amount of ammo.

In short, forge guns need a buff if anything. If i could reliably hit stationary targets I'd be happy.

EDIT fixed my crappy math

My girlfriend uses Forge Guns.

She's used one at range against a tank. You still have to lead the target.

It's not instant hit. And against fast-moving Dropships, it ISN'T easy to hit. Get better at keeping yourself actually moving.

What you fail to realize is if the drop ship is constantly moving it cant hit anything the gunners have an exceedingly hard time hitting anything. This means the Drop ship does need to be stationary or at least slow moving in order to do any damage to anything. This therefore means that it is open season for a forge gun user and as they rip through the dropships it's an easy kill.

Get better isn't a decent response to a post if you can't come up with a decent argument then you may as well not discuss anything. I am a fairly decent pilot I have been complimented on many occasions. My gunners have had very good scores and been at the top of the scoreboard while I as a pilot sit down at the bottom. Now to be knocked out of the sky while using a ship that costs almost 200K isk per ship is a little harrowing to say the lease especially if its in 2 shots from a weapon carried by a foot soldier!

This weapon needs a nerf and you know it does.

It is more or less. the time taken from shot to hit is fractional and if you track a vehicle you can easily hit it without moving the reticule off of the target. For me that is an instant hit.

What you fail to realize is if the drop ship is constantly moving it cant hit anything the gunners have an exceedingly hard time hitting anything. This means the Drop ship does need to be stationary or at least slow moving in order to do any damage to anything. This therefore means that it is open season for a forge gun user and as they rip through the dropships it's an easy kill.

What you fail to realize is if the drop ship is constantly moving it cant hit anything the gunners have an exceedingly hard time hitting anything. This means the Drop ship does need to be stationary or at least slow moving in order to do any damage to anything. This therefore means that it is open season for a forge gun user and as they rip through the dropships it's an easy kill.

Get better isn't a decent response to a post if you can't come up with a decent argument then you may as well not discuss anything. I am a fairly decent pilot I have been complimented on many occasions. My gunners have had very good scores and been at the top of the scoreboard while I as a pilot sit down at the bottom. Now to be knocked out of the sky while using a ship that costs almost 200K isk per ship is a little harrowing to say the lease especially if its in 2 shots from a weapon carried by a foot soldier!

This weapon needs a nerf and you know it does.

Simple thing to ask but when a fully spec'd out proto forge can destroy a fully spec'd shield tank Myron or Gunlogi in 2 shots don't you think it's time to nerf the weapon?

Why spend so much cash on a fully spec'd Myron if it can be shot out the air in 2 shots no matter how well you fly?

The instant hit and Indefinite range of the forge gun is a major balance issue in itself but the fact that it can decimate a fully spec'd shield tanking Myron in 2 hits is a bit much! To give this weapon infinite range, instant hit and massive damage whilst leaving the user with a good measure of mobility (enough to track a vehicle) just makes this weapon massively overpowered.

I haven't trained the Forge very far and even with the basic level Forge I can do a decent amount of damage to a vehicle, the best shield and armor tankers start running for their lives when you start shooting at them. With a full proto forge gun you don't need to worry about the second shot, it's a one shot kill hit unless the player has invested some time and money into their vehicle in which case you wind up for a second and kill it then!

Now don't get me wrong there needs to be a counter to good pilots and tanks and the infinite range swarm launcher does this as if can chase a dropship all over the map round objects and still land a decent hit to cause the pilot to rethink his tactic but the forge is just way too OP in it's current form.

I know there will be people that will instantly say no to this because they love using it but please I ask you to read and consider the implications of using such a overpowered weapon in a game like this!

I love how everyone fails to see the point.

The Forge gun does excessive amounts of damage for what it is.

The best Railgun in the game can not manage to beat the best forge gun in the game for damage, the forge gun can track a target better than a railgun and the forge gun is a hand held weapon.

Doesn't anyone see the imbalance here?

I love how everyone fails to see the point.

The Forge gun does excessive amounts of damage for what it is.

The best Railgun in the game can not manage to beat the best forge gun in the game for damage, the forge gun can track a target better than a railgun and the forge gun is a hand held weapon.

Doesn't anyone see the imbalance here?

What you fail to realize is if the drop ship is constantly moving it cant hit anything the gunners have an exceedingly hard time hitting anything. This means the Drop ship does need to be stationary or at least slow moving in order to do any damage to anything. This therefore means that it is open season for a forge gun user and as they rip through the dropships it's an easy kill.

Get better isn't a decent response to a post if you can't come up with a decent argument then you may as well not discuss anything. I am a fairly decent pilot I have been complimented on many occasions. My gunners have had very good scores and been at the top of the scoreboard while I as a pilot sit down at the bottom. Now to be knocked out of the sky while using a ship that costs almost 200K isk per ship is a little harrowing to say the lease especially if its in 2 shots from a weapon carried by a foot soldier!

This weapon needs a nerf and you know it does.

Yes but that rail gun is also attached to a tank with how many hit points of shield and armor, not to mention more module slots to improve the damage/armor. You can't just look at the damage output of a weapon and cry nerf, look at the big picture.

no

Plus for some reason people kept running around me in circles thinking i would magically die or something.

Laurent has point there.

Also, some other points to think about:

- Auto aim on forge guns 'capture' the shot sometimes to make it unrealistically accurate BUT ONLY sometimes. -> Auto aim must be taken away.

- Turret installations drop a bit too easily (4-shots)

- Forge guns need a charge indicator

- Marauders are nigh-impossible to stop juggernauts, even vs forge guns. Only way to lose one is a serious pilot error ( not backing up into cover). Nerfing forge power would be... Stupendous. Now, there might be an issue about tanks being too far apart from each other, meaning lower tier tanks are paper and marauders diamond. Sure, militia tanks and stuff atm. But I'm afraid of two things: Marauders being virtually indestructible even through forge, AND lower tier tanks being unusable.
Perhaps HAV's ability to tank should be closer to each other?

The Forge should absolutely be nerfed, far to many carebears sitting around mining Pyroxers all day there.

Yes it should be nerfed along with your tanks armour