If the game wasn't rated on KDR, then Pidgey would feel less important.

Obviously.

It really should be displaying "Isk destroyed vs Isk lost"...

KDR is meaningless, it's the ISK ratio that matters.

Where's Phantom da gawd?

secondly you took videos from two "tryhard" "remake" clans that came after all the good players stopped playing.

Every clan battle 3C played in or LoL played people definitely got grims. (they also all ended in major victories at that)

Primary Vehicle Players have higher KDRs, then infantry. Everyone in a match cannot be a vehicle. So does that make vehicles due to their KDRs more usefull then any infantry?

The vehicle user with 10.7 KDR to 25.43 KDR better then the user with 3 KDR who has not equiped or deployed a vehicle?

Is a swarm/fogre gun user that prevent vehicles useless because he had more deaths then kills, then the infantry with rifle or the tank with cannons, or the dropship with missile gunners?

Whilst tracking numbers of players killed and lives lost is usefull for forum posturing and self-congratulation, it has little bearing on 0.0 warfare where what matters more is the ability to take and control SOV territory, harass hostile industrial and economic operations, and to break the morale of enemy mercs.

Its not about dying for your country, its all about making them die for theirs. So I dont prescibe to KDR logic other then if you are dead, you are not taking ground, if your dead every spawn, then you did nothing, and stroked some elites eppeen for killing you 45 times in a row.

All MAG vets remember the ``no body got a reaper, no body`` remark in clan wars.

Here is a very old clan battle video of Murder Service vs GUN(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNrFScqQ5sw) two respected clans, its revealing their reaction at the end of the match. It shows just how inflated KDRs are from randoms.


What does KDR mean to you? What does it take to win?

If the game wasn't rated on KDR, then Pidgey would feel less important.

Obviously.

KDR is less relevant in this game then any other shooter in the world from a skill perspective, as you can be a good player but have such an under level character causing you to die a lot, mix that with terrible hit detection and frame rate lag it's quite irrelevant. Now kdr does have a huge impact financially on you though, which is the exact reason why vehicles need to be nerfed, they are the main cause of death against infantry players. The solution should be to make it where if you lose a tank, it takes 4+ games to earn the money back to buy another one.

Players who play with a high kdr around 10 or so, arent playing aggressively which is fine, but when you "have" to win, in a corp match and what not, those players will be so use to playing not to die that they wont be able to keep up with there pub room kdrs, if you cant duplicate it in a clan match it's not your true kdr imho

Here is battle JumpMan, ~^~ vs. 3C , you participated where zero grims were won by no one in the match, by either elite clans in that moment in that match you liar!!!!

[3C] Ecky18 was the highest killer with 32 kills 16 deaths, followed by MUDMASTEI2_23 32 kills 21 deaths, should I continue

pdiggy go away, you lost your right to cokmplain about vehicles...ive got you in quotes saying how you refuse to spawn AV and ***** cause you still die to tanks

It really should be displaying "Isk destroyed vs Isk lost"...

KDR is meaningless, it's the ISK ratio that matters.

Still doesn't change the fact that they were major victories. Everybody knows TDF gave up halfway through both matches. They couldn't match 3C Kill for Kill. The example of TDF is what happens when you let a bunch of "good guys" not the best players but nonetheless "good guys" into a clan, and proceed to play against The best players in a game. It becomes a stone wall.

Look up LoL vs T-C interdiction and then tell me KDR doesn't matter.

Primary Vehicle Players have higher KDRs, then infantry. Everyone in a match cannot be a vehicle. So does that make vehicles due to their KDRs more usefull then any infantry?

The vehicle user with 10.7 KDR to 25.43 KDR better then the user with 3 KDR who has not equiped or deployed a vehicle?

Is a swarm/fogre gun user that prevent vehicles useless because he had more deaths then kills, then the infantry with rifle or the tank with cannons, or the dropship with missile gunners?

Whilst tracking numbers of players killed and lives lost is usefull for forum posturing and self-congratulation, it has little bearing on 0.0 warfare where what matters more is the ability to take and control SOV territory, harass hostile industrial and economic operations, and to break the morale of enemy mercs.

Its not about dying for your country, its all about making them die for theirs. So I dont prescibe to KDR logic other then if you are dead, you are not taking ground, if your dead every spawn, then you did nothing, and stroked some elites eppeen for killing you 45 times in a row.

All MAG vets remember the ``no body got a reaper, no body`` remark in clan wars.

Here is a very old clan battle video of Murder Service vs GUN(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNrFScqQ5sw) two respected clans, its revealing their reaction at the end of the match. It shows just how inflated KDRs are from randoms.


What does KDR mean to you? What does it take to win?

please inform me what a militia AV loadout is going to do to proto tanks?

pdiggy go away, you lost your right to cokmplain about vehicles...ive got you in quotes saying how you refuse to spawn AV and ***** cause you still die to tanks

Probably the same that a militia tank will do against a protosuit. Die a horrible death.

miltia tanks can two shot protosuits buddy.

garbage tanks do exist but so do garbage dropsuits, and garbage weapons, my proto AR is garbage agaisnt anything higher then militia, ammo wise.

True, but the scenario was that a militia AV is as useful against a prototank as a militia tank is versus a protosuit, more often then not (unless you ambush him and he is distracted or you get just plain lucky) it will end in failure.

That I can agree to, but any man who uses militia tanks is crazy to begin with or likes flashy neon "Shoot me for free points" signs above.

Grrims don't matter in clan battles unless you're ringing for teh lulzs. You need to go for the win.

Well, to all those people who say that a tank isn't easily destroyed by a single guy, I can think of a few occasions:

The tanks are very weak when it comes to their wheels. Plant a bomb on the road (or on a dog like the good ol' days), blow up the wheels and you got a broke tank! I hope the logi guys get webifiers so we'll be able to trap the tanks. Only to find out the guys inside drowned because of their own tears. Maybe even some NOS so they can't use their shield and armor reppers?

Another cool way to destroy a tank would be flame throwers. You might feel real cozy in your tank when it's a normal weather outside, but when the tank's on fire... Well, you're not gonna last long either.

And ofcourse: the orbital bombardment. Seeing a tank desintegrated by a giant death laser from the sky will be a sight to behold!

But regarding the OP post: I aggree. You should be able to see your K/D if you really want to, but the scoreboards should focus on howmuch points you got, or howmany isk you got during the match. The game should give people incentives to play as it's intented.

Tanks should be similar to battlefield once they get below 50% health they become disabled and can't move.

In my opinion, KDR can be an important stat. If you are trying to recruit someone to wear Assault suits and run with an AR and kill stuff for you, then KDR can be somewhat important for that type of recruiting. If you are looking for a logi to keep your team alive, then KDR means almost nothing.

So KDR means only as much to you (or others) as your role on the battlefield is directly related to killing things so your teammates can hack things or blow stuff up or whatever. But until we can get something like stats for HPD or HPM (Hacks per death, hacks per match), RPD (repairs per death), etc., it is the only stat we really have to go by, and, being gamers, we like our stats. Give us something to measure any given role by, and we will have something else to work for.

I'm not too worried about KDR vs. ISK or infantry vs. tanks, etc. In this game it's going to be all about defeating your enemy and the ways and means used to achieve that will be myriad and, at times, counter-intuitive.

In some situations KDR will absolutely matter, in other situations it will be ISK, in other situations the way to win will be to convincingly LOSE the match, the twists and ramifications of decisions and actions in DUST will be mind-boggling.

I guarantee you that for almost all of us Vets who stay with the game that a match will arise where you realize right in the middle of it that you are not fighting the fight that you thought you were fighting. Of course, at that point it will be too late to do anything about it except maybe admire the way you were set up and accept the fact that you're well and truly kittened. Or rage quit, whatever.

And as soon as teamplay is implemented, and comms work properly, and hit detection is fixed, and lag is at a manageable level, and a few other things are in place, the inside of a tank, even top tier with good skills, is going to be a very dangerous place to be.