Who knows, we'll see. We all know the Eve player base can be ruthless but also know there are alot of folks that go to great lengths to help out the "newbs" and hopefully we'll have some people like that in Dust.

That's a good thought, but the problem I see with Dust is that new players will likely delete the game after the first day of trying it. This is a free-to-play game so it's unlikely that people will want to put "effort" into learning it. That of course excludes reading up on the community and identifying sources for information.

Eve University works in Eve because of the target audience of Eve. I don't think Dust has the same target audience.

In Eve there is a corporation called Eve University. Their sole mission is to take in new players and teach them the ways of the Eve Universe. They cover everything from PVP to PVE and all that entails. They have a very strong leadership base and if your new to Eve I'd highly recommend checking it out. It's not for everyone but with the vertical learning curve that comes with Eve Online they definitely help out many new players.

Reason for posting that about Eve Uni is I'm wondering if a corporation in Dust514 with emerge and fill that role for this game. If so that would help out the newer player base. Something like this in Dust would also help your friend immensely.

Another thing that happens in Eve that might benefit Dust is there are corporations such as Agony Unleashed and others who hold PVP classes. They have a very well thought out class plan and provide theory, as well as practical learning environments. People pay for these classes with ISK. Something like this might work out well in Dust too.

Who knows, we'll see. We all know the Eve player base can be ruthless but also know there are alot of folks that go to great lengths to help out the "newbs" and hopefully we'll have some people like that in Dust.

There are tutorial pages but im guessing ppl just dont read them or something i mean dont complain about the game being difficult if you havent read them *not saying he didnt i dont know* because once the game goes full its going to get a whole lot more complicated than it is now and honestly if new ppl would just read the pop up tutorials then i probably wouldnt seem so complicated to them

I've been in the beta for a few weeks now and I'm getting on great with it, but this weekend a friend of mine who has been really looking forward to the game got into the beta. (I got one of the emails with weekend codes in so I sent one his way)

I talked to him after he got to play the game for a bit, and it seems he has just been completely scared away from the game!

I won't quote him exactly, but he pretty much said that everything look so complicated that he just didn't know where to start, and when he was looking through the market and playing online it seemed to him that it was pretty much a pay-to-win game.

Since I have tried explaining to him a little more about how the game works, and keeping in mind that this is a beta and the is still a lot to be added into the game, but it does raise the question of how new people will see the game for the first time, even when completed.

I will admit that my first go in the game I had no idea what I was doing, and I have been tracking Dust for a long time now.
The messages that pop up in game were a bit of an information overload and I ended up learning more just from messing around with the game than I did reading up on how to learn skills or upgrade your equipment.
I'm sure that will be fine for a lot of people, but not everybody really works that way, some people need a bit more guidance.
My friend, for example, only ever had a wii up until last year when he decided to buy a PS3 because he'd heard Call of Duty was a lot better on it.
He's got a long way to go with his gaming.

It would be nice to see CCP implement a really well thought out tutorial stage for new players, maybe introduce things to them a step at a time.

Maybe when you first enter the game and you've created your character, it puts you in a pve match or a match with specifically other new people so you can learn the physical gameplay.
Then upon completion of the match, your screen pops up saying how much SP and ISK you've earned and it goes on to say "now let's show you how to spend what you've just earned!", then shows how the market and skills work.
After that maybe it can go on to showing the various game types, how the social features work and how to build up your vehicles...

Showing people one thing at a time and allowing them to learn in stages will be a lot easier for people who have no idea how the game works than flooding them with walls of text when they first enter the game.

Another thing to be careful of is the kind of matches new people play in.
The vast majority of people in the beta right now have a lot of experience with the game and have pretty descent gear.

Somebody who is brand new and isn't so good with the game is pretty much cannon fodder, and as my friend experienced, they don't have much of a chance.
His assumption was that everyone he was playing with had payed for really good gear and so his bullets didn't do anything to them whilst theres instantly killed him.

This is how the vast majority of people that play the game will be seeing things.
People who play beta's are normally much more likely to do there own research on a game and know what there in for.

Your average person is just going to see the game on psn's front page and think "ooh, new game! lets try it out!" and pretty much act in exactly the same was as my friend did.

I'm sure it would help a hell of a lot if he had me there to guide him a bit, but obviously there isn't a way in the beta for me to do that yet.
But even still, not everybody will have a friend that can help ease them in to the game come release.

I don't know about everyone else, but personally I wasn't as big and robust a community for Dust as we can manage, and that means we have to give some leeway to the new people that really have no idea what there doing here.

It brings to mind MMO's where more experienced players quite often offer to help out new players who don't know whats going on yet.
Maybe CCP could try and implement some kind of a mentoring system into the game?

Just a thought.

My friend and I both have the beta and we got four beta codes this weekend ,and every one of the people we gave the codes to instantly quit. Now I understand the skills here and that they cap and you can really only bring a certain fixed amount of relevant SP with any given role. However, the passive bonus associated with skills I believe are too great at the moment, I don't want them removed from the game, but it creates far to much of an imbalance. What I propose is the bonus's be lessened. This still gives veteran players an advantage but not alienating completely the new players. I really enjoy this game I want it to succeed.

Is there a way to buy different guns and armor without paying for AUR?

There are tutorial pages but im guessing ppl just dont read them or something i mean dont complain about the game being difficult if you havent read them *not saying he didnt i dont know* because once the game goes full its going to get a whole lot more complicated than it is now and honestly if new ppl would just read the pop up tutorials then i probably wouldnt seem so complicated to them

yes, market.....

most of the questions people ask about and comlain about not being answered are already in the tutorials THE GAME HAS which they probably couldnt be bothered to read....

On top of that, where is the benefit to forcing people to teach themselves in such a complex game?
It works fine in a game like mario or journey where theres only a very limited amount of actions you can perform, but Dust is very demanding of the player at first, and the vast majority of people just will not get it.

I know exactly how your friend feels, I felt the same this weekend. Hopefully I can get into more beta's or something as it's sucks that I have to wait until release, and I don't feel like paying -ú20 to keep playing the same map for however many months until it's released.

1. It's not -ú20
2. It will not be the same map until release.
3. Your merc pack is given back on each wipe and then release.


4. The merc pack is way to early for the game in this appaling build.

somebody should dig up the old threads where we talked about new players and the SP gaps.

The benefit is that it weeds out a certain kind of player.

EVE has one of the most loyal playerbase of any mmo partially for that reason. There's never any huge spikes in subscribers only a slow and steady growth that has lasted almost a decade.

If he isn't a dedicated gamer who thrives on understanding complex systems then he's never really going to fit DUST.

Just repeating what others said. (I read first page, skimmed the other pages)

CCP needs to offer SOME method of "easing" players into the game. Not sure if it should be some tutorial, or what... but something needs to be done.

Also, to a degree, once there is a hi/low/null sec break up, newbies will be able to "dip their toes" in hi sec, and get used to the game.