Its not that strong by itself, its just when people spend skill after skill to make it stronger and adding Damage modules. To me they should have a strong weapon like that for spending so much skill to get it like that. In the game it will take long time to get skills because we are getting 400% or more sp in the beta than we will in the released game. So if someone spends that much time on something like that in the game, they should have something strong like that.

I completely don't agree.
The people running around with those ARs get a lot of kills because they're good at getting kills. Because they're good they managed to rack up a lot of SP. That SP went into the gun so there you have it.
People who are good at shooting (wait for it) get rewarded for their skill (point made).

So of course we all get shot down with the strong ARs. The good people are carrying them.

This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. But if I run into a CreoDron, it doesn't matter if I shoot first or even if I can put more bullets on him (considering he's probably rocking a upgraded DS). As long as he doesn't make a stupid mistake or has to reload, he wins the fight.

Plus, it's not necessarily skill. If all you did was sit and grind your Assault skills, you could get to that gun without necessarily being incredibly great. Good, yes, but not that good.

It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet.

Breach variants have a lower DPS than the assault variants, they are popular because of the bad hit detection and their higher per bullet damage, with better servers the assault variants will start to dominant the battlefield. Also how is an AR more OP than a weapon that can have 15000+ EHP and 1 shot ANY infantry?

Exactly, I almost kill someone but then they one hit kill me with their Forge gun, I fear Forge guns more than any other weapon in the game

Lol, I meant tanks.

Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game.

Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere

Range affects me, I couldn't shoot very far until i maxed out the skill that increases the guns range

I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns.

I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns.

False, there are scopes on the guns in the E3 trailer

This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights.

I finally got myself enough SP today to move on to proto AR's so I decided to test what was being said here.
After going over the 4 proto AR types I decided to go with the Allotek. It has the highest accuracy and makes the most sense kick and aiming wise. Instead of a lower RoF for accuracy is fires short burst at a much higher RoF than regular AR's.
That made perfect sense to me (and BTW is what the Navy Seals use and many other SpecOp units).

Granted, it has more advantages at closer ranges but that's fine for me. The AR scopes aren't really built for shooting at far away pixels.

Once I moved to the Allotek my KDR started improving dramatically. It made my aiming easier and pretty much made it that when I got my sights on someone, I emptied 4-5 rounds right into them. I even OHK'd a few players.

So I don't think the Creo is the ultimate OP AR. It's just a varient for one type of fight. Others suite other play styles just as well.

I LOVE the Allotek. 7 rounds in someone's head is bound to ruin their day. I want to love the Tactical, but it doesn't do enough damage per shot to justify using it. I'm sure it has a niche, I just haven't figured i out yet.

I actually find Duvolle more powerful. I switched from Creo to Duvolle and instantly doubled the number of kills I usually get..

same here but we shouldnt post too much about that because then someone will want duvolle nerfed also

It basically comes down to your play style.
(And ignoring hit detection issues)
The closer you are, the higher the RoF you'll want.
All AR's are rated for short-medium range. Let's put that down to numbers between 1 to 10 and call 1 short range and 10 medium.
Full auto - 1-4
Breach - 2-6
Burst - 4-9
Tactical - 7-10

That's how I see it.
When grouping comes along, a squad will need a mixture of AR's in order to deal with all threats accordingly.

Agreed. Every AR has a specific use, according to your game style.
Personally I'm using CreoDoron when I'm into defence, Duvolle in attack, Tactical when I've need to block an enemy in the distance.
CQC? SMG \m/

This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. But if I run into a CreoDron, it doesn't matter if I shoot first or even if I can put more bullets on him (considering he's probably rocking a upgraded DS). As long as he doesn't make a stupid mistake or has to reload, he wins the fight.

Plus, it's not necessarily skill. If all you did was sit and grind your Assault skills, you could get to that gun without necessarily being incredibly great. Good, yes, but not that good.

Creadon is op compared to what? Missile launchers? Boundless SMG? Remote explosives?

The AR is fine.

I can see scopes being added one day, but a grenade launcher would render the Mass Driver useless. Don't see them doing that.

Let's see. I have a creo and if I do my math right, it does about 76 damage per bullet. I have 329 shield and 394 armor. My own gun would kill me in 10 bullets. That's with a proto suit, shield boosters, and armor plates.

I feel sorry for whoever doesn't have those. Cause some people I can kill in 5 bullets. Or less.

And THIS is where you made your mistake.

This is a CCP FPS which means don't expect to 1v1 veterans if you are a new player.


It is the same philosophy they have in Eve, 1 newbie is not a threat to a veteran... 3 newbies can be a threat.. 5+ newbies ARE a threat. At least in Dust you really only need 2v1 or 3v1 to cut a vet to pieces.

If its on a day where we are getting good hit detection

Duvolle hands down!

...just haven't seen one of those days yet.

Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game.

Even in EVE, new players are kept safe for the most part in that most older players realize there's nothing to be made in going after them. Here, there's no such barrier. As far as I know. Maybe I've missed something, but still.

obviously you dont know anything.

the tactical assault rifle is a little less powerful.

its called skills that make your weapons better.


P.S. why dont you get enough SP to actually use it yourself?

Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game.