DUST Search - What's Up With The CreoDron AR?

Abron Garr wrote:

Grit Breather wrote:

I finally got myself enough SP today to move on to proto AR's so I decided to test what was being said here.
After going over the 4 proto AR types I decided to go with the Allotek. It has the highest accuracy and makes the most sense kick and aiming wise. Instead of a lower RoF for accuracy is fires short burst at a much higher RoF than regular AR's.
That made perfect sense to me (and BTW is what the Navy Seals use and many other SpecOp units).

Granted, it has more advantages at closer ranges but that's fine for me. The AR scopes aren't really built for shooting at far away pixels.

Once I moved to the Allotek my KDR started improving dramatically. It made my aiming easier and pretty much made it that when I got my sights on someone, I emptied 4-5 rounds right into them. I even OHK'd a few players.

So I don't think the Creo is the ultimate OP AR. It's just a varient for one type of fight. Others suite other play styles just as well.

I LOVE the Allotek. 7 rounds in someone's head is bound to ruin their day. I want to love the Tactical, but it doesn't do enough damage per shot to justify using it. I'm sure it has a niche, I just haven't figured i out yet.

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Jak Teston Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 99	Posted - 2012.07.27 09:07:00 - [31] - Quote I'm fairly sure there'll be some form of match-making eventually. Right now it doesn't make sense that someone with a 20% dps advantage and a 20% hitpoint advantage (both before skills and dropsuit modules) can just walk over a new player. When there's match-making the protogods can go up against the other protogods and the new guys can exchange blows with other new guys. But right now it just feels rather cheap when you get knocked off your feet by someone in far better equipment or when you wonder why an enemy dropped so easily before realizing that he probably was just a poor guy in militia gear who didn't even know what the term "fitting" meant.
Rorek IronBlood ZionTCD Legacy Rising 746	Posted - 2012.07.27 09:23:00 - [32] - Quote I think part of the problem is the lack of in-between. Not to say that is the only issue, but it is a leading contributor. I think once the market opens to inflation and the supply and demand with prices increasing, and decreasing we'll notice that many cannot afford to keep those rifles, or use them. Especially when you realize that your expenses are increasing maybe three fold or more. Especially those who rely soley on proto gear and equipment. Also leading to this contribution is the modified skill point and ISK modifier set at roughly four hundred percent above normal to help create these worst case scenarios of what the game could degenerate into. CCP needed to know what could happen, and the people are providing that infor very well. This is just to prove that CCP needs more in-between equipment and gear and some tweeking on stats. Are the current weapons and gear over powered? Not really, but I think the numbers when practiced in-game are working as they should. Still. We'll just have to see what CCP does about this situation. We do not want Dust to degenerate into a mass of over powered gear, and equipment, or to be so unbalanced that it only hinders, and chokes the game. That would be bad for us, the game, and CCP all alike.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 1849	Posted - 2012.07.27 09:27:00 - [33] - Quote High tier sniper > all infantry at extreme ranges. Dies easy enough to Militia ARs or SMGs when it's in their preferred range. High tier AR > all infantry at mid to long ranges. Dies easy enough to snipers or SMGs in their preferred range. High tier SMG > all infantry in CQC. Dies pretty easy to Militia versions of any other weapon outside CQC range. High tier tank > all non-AV infantry. Dies easy enough to AV weapons. High tier AV > tank. Dies easy enough to most infantry-based weapons. Problem?
Stabber McShank Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2012.07.27 12:48:00 - [34] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. And THIS is where you made your mistake. This is a CCP FPS which means don't expect to 1v1 veterans if you are a new player. It is the same philosophy they have in Eve, 1 newbie is not a threat to a veteran... 3 newbies can be a threat.. 5+ newbies ARE a threat. At least in Dust you really only need 2v1 or 3v1 to cut a vet to pieces.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.27 13:40:00 - [35] - Quote I finally got myself enough SP today to move on to proto AR's so I decided to test what was being said here. After going over the 4 proto AR types I decided to go with the Allotek. It has the highest accuracy and makes the most sense kick and aiming wise. Instead of a lower RoF for accuracy is fires short burst at a much higher RoF than regular AR's. That made perfect sense to me (and BTW is what the Navy Seals use and many other SpecOp units). Granted, it has more advantages at closer ranges but that's fine for me. The AR scopes aren't really built for shooting at far away pixels. Once I moved to the Allotek my KDR started improving dramatically. It made my aiming easier and pretty much made it that when I got my sights on someone, I emptied 4-5 rounds right into them. I even OHK'd a few players. So I don't think the Creo is the ultimate OP AR. It's just a varient for one type of fight. Others suite other play styles just as well.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.07.27 13:45:00 - [36] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: I finally got myself enough SP today to move on to proto AR's so I decided to test what was being said here. After going over the 4 proto AR types I decided to go with the Allotek. It has the highest accuracy and makes the most sense kick and aiming wise. Instead of a lower RoF for accuracy is fires short burst at a much higher RoF than regular AR's. That made perfect sense to me (and BTW is what the Navy Seals use and many other SpecOp units). Granted, it has more advantages at closer ranges but that's fine for me. The AR scopes aren't really built for shooting at far away pixels. Once I moved to the Allotek my KDR started improving dramatically. It made my aiming easier and pretty much made it that when I got my sights on someone, I emptied 4-5 rounds right into them. I even OHK'd a few players. So I don't think the Creo is the ultimate OP AR. It's just a varient for one type of fight. Others suite other play styles just as well. I LOVE the Allotek. 7 rounds in someone's head is bound to ruin their day. I want to love the Tactical, but it doesn't do enough damage per shot to justify using it. I'm sure it has a niche, I just haven't figured i out yet.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.27 13:48:00 - [37] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Grit Breather wrote: I finally got myself enough SP today to move on to proto AR's so I decided to test what was being said here. After going over the 4 proto AR types I decided to go with the Allotek. It has the highest accuracy and makes the most sense kick and aiming wise. Instead of a lower RoF for accuracy is fires short burst at a much higher RoF than regular AR's. That made perfect sense to me (and BTW is what the Navy Seals use and many other SpecOp units). Granted, it has more advantages at closer ranges but that's fine for me. The AR scopes aren't really built for shooting at far away pixels. Once I moved to the Allotek my KDR started improving dramatically. It made my aiming easier and pretty much made it that when I got my sights on someone, I emptied 4-5 rounds right into them. I even OHK'd a few players. So I don't think the Creo is the ultimate OP AR. It's just a varient for one type of fight. Others suite other play styles just as well. I LOVE the Allotek. 7 rounds in someone's head is bound to ruin their day. I want to love the Tactical, but it doesn't do enough damage per shot to justify using it. I'm sure it has a niche, I just haven't figured i out yet. The tactical is more useful at medium range than the other variants I suppose. It should have a different scope as I believe it should fill the role of a medium range assault sniper. They are units that move with the main force and do tactical sniping as opposed to the lone-wolf dedicated snipers who are somewhere between tactical and strategic.
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.07.27 13:49:00 - [38] - Quote JAG ONE wrote: Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. I actually find Duvolle more powerful. I switched from Creo to Duvolle and instantly doubled the number of kills I usually get.. same here but we shouldnt post too much about that because then someone will want duvolle nerfed also
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.27 14:00:00 - [39] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: JAG ONE wrote: Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. I actually find Duvolle more powerful. I switched from Creo to Duvolle and instantly doubled the number of kills I usually get.. same here but we shouldnt post too much about that because then someone will want duvolle nerfed also If its on a day where we are getting good hit detection Duvolle hands down! ...just haven't seen one of those days yet.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.27 14:04:00 - [40] - Quote It basically comes down to your play style. (And ignoring hit detection issues) The closer you are, the higher the RoF you'll want. All AR's are rated for short-medium range. Let's put that down to numbers between 1 to 10 and call 1 short range and 10 medium. Full auto - 1-4 Breach - 2-6 Burst - 4-9 Tactical - 7-10 That's how I see it. When grouping comes along, a squad will need a mixture of AR's in order to deal with all threats accordingly.

Feisar Tirani Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.07.27 14:27:00 - [41] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: It basically comes down to your play style. (And ignoring hit detection issues) The closer you are, the higher the RoF you'll want. All AR's are rated for short-medium range. Let's put that down to numbers between 1 to 10 and call 1 short range and 10 medium. Full auto - 1-4 Breach - 2-6 Burst - 4-9 Tactical - 7-10 That's how I see it. When grouping comes along, a squad will need a mixture of AR's in order to deal with all threats accordingly. Agreed. Every AR has a specific use, according to your game style. Personally I'm using CreoDoron when I'm into defence, Duvolle in attack, Tactical when I've need to block an enemy in the distance. CQC? SMG \m/
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.27 14:44:00 - [42] - Quote Feisar Tirani wrote: Grit Breather wrote: It basically comes down to your play style. (And ignoring hit detection issues) The closer you are, the higher the RoF you'll want. All AR's are rated for short-medium range. Let's put that down to numbers between 1 to 10 and call 1 short range and 10 medium. Full auto - 1-4 Breach - 2-6 Burst - 4-9 Tactical - 7-10 That's how I see it. When grouping comes along, a squad will need a mixture of AR's in order to deal with all threats accordingly. Agreed. Every AR has a specific use, according to your game style. Personally I'm using CreoDoron when I'm into defence, Duvolle in attack, Tactical when I've need to block an enemy in the distance. CQC? SMG \m/ Indeed. The SMG varients go much closer in range. A blind man could use them if he had a stable finger.
Reaper Alim Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:42:00 - [43] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: Grit Breather wrote: I completely don't agree. The people running around with those ARs get a lot of kills because they're good at getting kills. Because they're good they managed to rack up a lot of SP. That SP went into the gun so there you have it. People who are good at shooting (wait for it) get rewarded for their skill (point made). So of course we all get shot down with the strong ARs. The good people are carrying them. This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. But if I run into a CreoDron, it doesn't matter if I shoot first or even if I can put more bullets on him (considering he's probably rocking a upgraded DS). As long as he doesn't make a stupid mistake or has to reload, he wins the fight. Plus, it's not necessarily skill. If all you did was sit and grind your Assault skills, you could get to that gun without necessarily being incredibly great. Good, yes, but not that good. CCP has already stated that this is going to be a MMOFPS so if you don't like the open minded things and curve between newbes and vats. then stick to to the narrow minded games like CoD they'll suit you more.
Reaper Alim Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.07.27 16:45:00 - [44] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Creadon is op compared to what? Missile launchers? Boundless SMG? Remote explosives? The AR is fine. I completey agree he's just mad because he can't employ his COD tatics here and have to actualy think a little bit.
Winscar Shinobi 50	Posted - 2012.07.27 17:24:00 - [45] - Quote Let's see. I have a creo and if I do my math right, it does about 76 damage per bullet. I have 329 shield and 394 armor. My own gun would kill me in 10 bullets. That's with a proto suit, shield boosters, and armor plates. I feel sorry for whoever doesn't have those. Cause some people I can kill in 5 bullets. Or less.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.28 08:08:00 - [46] - Quote Sake Monster wrote: Crimson MoonV wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: Wakko03 wrote: It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet. Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns. False, there are scopes on the guns in the E3 trailer I can see scopes being added one day, but a grenade launcher would render the Mass Driver useless. Don't see them doing that. The reason we said this was because, in a gameplay video they had a grenade launcher on the bottom of the assault rifle
Skold Hagradsson Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.07.28 09:45:00 - [47] - Quote Winscar Shinobi wrote: Let's see. I have a creo and if I do my math right, it does about 76 damage per bullet. I have 329 shield and 394 armor. My own gun would kill me in 10 bullets. That's with a proto suit, shield boosters, and armor plates. I feel sorry for whoever doesn't have those. Cause some people I can kill in 5 bullets. Or less. Enuff said?
Sub Urban Hero ZionTCD Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:24:00 - [48] - Quote Stabber McShank wrote: Sub Urban Hero wrote: This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. And THIS is where you made your mistake. This is a CCP FPS which means don't expect to 1v1 veterans if you are a new player. It is the same philosophy they have in Eve, 1 newbie is not a threat to a veteran... 3 newbies can be a threat.. 5+ newbies ARE a threat. At least in Dust you really only need 2v1 or 3v1 to cut a vet to pieces. Again. The MMO part is where I understand this. The FPS part is not. Vets should indeed be a threat on the battlefield. But by pure skill level, not by equipment. It's just not fair to run into somebody who has not only more skill, but is straight up equipped in better stuff than you. Not only do you have to compensate for skill level- which is hard enough- but you also have to combat somebody who is, by default, putting out more damage than you and has higher shielding and armor than you. Honestly, I guess I don't really care whether or not somebody is using all Proto gear and some of the best guns out there, but at least let those guys play each other when it comes around to launch time. I think some people are forgetting that a free-to-play game won't thrive without a growing player-base, which you can't get if all the new guys come in and literally have no chance. If nothing else, think about it this way. In most MMOs, new players are completely separated from older players unless they specifically go looking for trouble. Even in EVE, new players are kept safe for the most part in that most older players realize there's nothing to be made in going after them. Here, there's no such barrier. As far as I know. Maybe I've missed something, but still.
William HBonney Imperfects Negative-Feedback 318	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:29:00 - [49] - Quote do the math the creon has the lowest DPS
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:30:00 - [50] - Quote PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: JAG ONE wrote: Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. I actually find Duvolle more powerful. I switched from Creo to Duvolle and instantly doubled the number of kills I usually get.. same here but we shouldnt post too much about that because then someone will want duvolle nerfed also If its on a day where we are getting good hit detection Duvolle hands down! ...just haven't seen one of those days yet. I made the switch to duvolle, much easier time managing the (s)hit detection.

Sw3RvE 25	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:36:00 - [51] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. obviously you dont know anything. the tactical assault rifle is a little less powerful. its called skills that make your weapons better. P.S. why dont you get enough SP to actually use it yourself?
TEBOW BAGGINS FIREFLY ATLANTIS ENTERPRISES UNLIMITED TACNET 549	Posted - 2012.07.28 16:43:00 - [52] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: Stabber McShank wrote: Sub Urban Hero wrote: This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. And THIS is where you made your mistake. This is a CCP FPS which means don't expect to 1v1 veterans if you are a new player. It is the same philosophy they have in Eve, 1 newbie is not a threat to a veteran... 3 newbies can be a threat.. 5+ newbies ARE a threat. At least in Dust you really only need 2v1 or 3v1 to cut a vet to pieces. Even in EVE, new players are kept safe for the most part in that most older players realize there's nothing to be made in going after them. Here, there's no such barrier. As far as I know. Maybe I've missed something, but still. The older players go after them for the LOLz.. especially if they run their mouths in local chat. nothing is really safe or fair in EVE.. you're rewarded for you're ability to plan ahead and your knowledge of the game. i play EVE but not really well.. the sense of doom on the horizon or hitting it big by just being the right place or right time makes EVE unique. most other MMOs are too predictable in BF, MAG, and COD newbs have to fight vets and be at a disadvantage also.. don't know why this is such a big deal here.. what confuses me is in another thread they're wanting to nerf the assist points for dropship passengers, in other threads they say noobs have it too hard
Sub Urban Hero ZionTCD Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2012.07.28 21:03:00 - [53] - Quote Sw3RvE wrote: Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. obviously you dont know anything. the tactical assault rifle is a little less powerful. its called skills that make your weapons better. P.S. why dont you get enough SP to actually use it yourself? Oh, obviously. I admit, I'm honestly not sure how the other ARs behave. I just see that one popping up most often in the kill alerts. But no, it's not just skills. Like I posted earlier, the base stats of the CreoDron are by far better than the other breach rifles. Combine that with the fact that the person using it has probably upgraded their Assault skills and is in better armor, and you have a recipe for ownage. And I don't spend my SP on that because I don't really want to. I'd rather spend it upgrading other stuff for the time being, like Sniper Rifle operation, and different Engineering and Electronics skills. Will I eventually spend enough to get it? Yeah. But I don't want to be forced into it, just to stand a better chance for survival. I'm also beginning to realize that my argument is actually just to have some type of incentive for vets to stay away from just picking off new players.
BAD FURRY Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2012.07.28 21:07:00 - [54] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. you can thank all the CoD kids for crying about it when it was fine
Darkz azurr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2012.07.28 21:13:00 - [55] - Quote i played with all the ar's and smg's i tend to kill alot more people with the breach versions, they are the easiest type to control at long/mid and close range for me. most people in the older build used them too.


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