DUST Search - What's Up With The CreoDron AR?

Sub Urban Hero wrote:

Grit Breather wrote:

I completely don't agree.
The people running around with those ARs get a lot of kills because they're good at getting kills. Because they're good they managed to rack up a lot of SP. That SP went into the gun so there you have it.
People who are good at shooting (wait for it) get rewarded for their skill (point made).

So of course we all get shot down with the strong ARs. The good people are carrying them.

This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. But if I run into a CreoDron, it doesn't matter if I shoot first or even if I can put more bullets on him (considering he's probably rocking a upgraded DS). As long as he doesn't make a stupid mistake or has to reload, he wins the fight.

Plus, it's not necessarily skill. If all you did was sit and grind your Assault skills, you could get to that gun without necessarily being incredibly great. Good, yes, but not that good.

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Sub Urban Hero ZionTCD Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:26:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game.
Raynor Ragna 266	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:30:00 - [2] - Quote Right now the flavor of the month seems to be Creodon ARs and Proto Swarm launchers. Part of that is due to the main map we have to play, Its very open... I hate the two of those but it'd be nice to see how they work with new maps. On a side note, The difference between Breach and the other variants of weapons is crazy. Breach has TOO many advantages.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:32:00 - [3] - Quote Its not that strong by itself, its just when people spend skill after skill to make it stronger and adding Damage modules. To me they should have a strong weapon like that for spending so much skill to get it like that. In the game it will take long time to get skills because we are getting 400% or more sp in the beta than we will in the released game. So if someone spends that much time on something like that in the game, they should have something strong like that.
Sephoran Griffith Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:37:00 - [4] - Quote not OP
Sub Urban Hero ZionTCD Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:40:00 - [5] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: Its not that strong by itself, its just when people spend skill after skill to make it stronger and adding Damage modules. To me they should have a strong weapon like that for spending so much skill to get it like that. In the game it will take long time to get skills because we are getting 400% or more sp in the beta than we will in the released game. So if someone spends that much time on something like that in the game, they should have something strong like that. Are you kidding me? The normal Breach AR does 48 damage, has an accuracy rating of 57.3 and a clip size of 36. The CreoDron does 57.6 damage, has an accuracy rating of 58.3, and packs 6 more rounds in the chamber, all at the same RoF. Sure, you should have something that strong when you've worked that hard, but against people with similar skill levels. As it is, is gun is an absolutely unfair advantage against newer players.
Grit Breather BetaMax. 660	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:44:00 - [6] - Quote I completely don't agree. The people running around with those ARs get a lot of kills because they're good at getting kills. Because they're good they managed to rack up a lot of SP. That SP went into the gun so there you have it. People who are good at shooting (wait for it) get rewarded for their skill (point made). So of course we all get shot down with the strong ARs. The good people are carrying them.
Iron Wolf Saber BetaMax. 2867	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:49:00 - [7] - Quote I like assault rifles in general when it comes to FPS games I will have to say this, Breach ARs feel distinctively too strong and the best light to use vs all other vairants. I want the guns to be equally usable and currently they're not. Burst, Assault, Tactial needs to be just as strong. Other weapons need to have similar kill times as the breach type of that level.
Sub Urban Hero ZionTCD Legacy Rising 28	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:50:00 - [8] - Quote Grit Breather wrote: I completely don't agree. The people running around with those ARs get a lot of kills because they're good at getting kills. Because they're good they managed to rack up a lot of SP. That SP went into the gun so there you have it. People who are good at shooting (wait for it) get rewarded for their skill (point made). So of course we all get shot down with the strong ARs. The good people are carrying them. This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. But if I run into a CreoDron, it doesn't matter if I shoot first or even if I can put more bullets on him (considering he's probably rocking a upgraded DS). As long as he doesn't make a stupid mistake or has to reload, he wins the fight. Plus, it's not necessarily skill. If all you did was sit and grind your Assault skills, you could get to that gun without necessarily being incredibly great. Good, yes, but not that good.
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1170	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:52:00 - [9] - Quote The breach AR has too little kick and the burst AR has too much. Swap just that stat and we'd be in a much better place. The best long range AR before going hybrid sniper shouldn't also be the best at CQC ("hip fire")
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:56:00 - [10] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: Grit Breather wrote: I completely don't agree. The people running around with those ARs get a lot of kills because they're good at getting kills. Because they're good they managed to rack up a lot of SP. That SP went into the gun so there you have it. People who are good at shooting (wait for it) get rewarded for their skill (point made). So of course we all get shot down with the strong ARs. The good people are carrying them. This isn't a straight MMO though. In an FPS, I should have an equal chance of killing the guy at the end of my sights. But if I run into a CreoDron, it doesn't matter if I shoot first or even if I can put more bullets on him (considering he's probably rocking a upgraded DS). As long as he doesn't make a stupid mistake or has to reload, he wins the fight. Plus, it's not necessarily skill. If all you did was sit and grind your Assault skills, you could get to that gun without necessarily being incredibly great. Good, yes, but not that good. what are your shields at? the person using the creo probably has at least 200 in armor and close to 300 in shields. Yes the creo is strong but like other people have said, the people using them are also quite strong.

Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.26 20:56:00 - [11] - Quote Creadon is op compared to what? Missile launchers? Boundless SMG? Remote explosives? The AR is fine.
Wakko03 Better Hide R Die 134	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:01:00 - [12] - Quote Get one of your own. Otherwise, then you have to lower the armor and shields on vehicles & emplacements, not to mention the shield regen modules for dropsuits. So, I would need 8 (medium to low level) guys taking out the 1 tank, 3 more to distract the 2 heavies and 1 logistic that jump out -- if we are lucky enough to coordinate and destroy it and enough of us live thru the onslaught of logistics guy throwing RE that do nothing to his teammates but either kill or wound enough of the enemies to make them 1 hit kills for anyone else in the area; and then all the while hope that the other 9 enemies are too busy huffing paint or doing something on the far side of the map to stop our 1 teammate left to take or hold the other objectives. It is not like they would be in a 2nd super tank or in a dropship out of range dropping rockets onto us, nah that is not the most likely thing to happen. I use the creo on defense and the duv on offense unless it is still close quarters. It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet.
STB-stlcarlos989 EV Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:03:00 - [13] - Quote Breach variants have a lower DPS than the assault variants, they are popular because of the bad hit detection and their higher per bullet damage, with better servers the assault variants will start to dominant the battlefield. Also how is an AR more OP than a weapon that can have 15000+ EHP and 1 shot ANY infantry?
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote Wakko03 wrote: It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet. Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:20:00 - [15] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Breach variants have a lower DPS than the assault variants, they are popular because of the bad hit detection and their higher per bullet damage, with better servers the assault variants will start to dominant the battlefield. Also how is an AR more OP than a weapon that can have 15000+ EHP and 1 shot ANY infantry? Exactly, I almost kill someone but then they one hit kill me with their Forge gun, I fear Forge guns more than any other weapon in the game
STB-stlcarlos989 EV Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:29:00 - [16] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Breach variants have a lower DPS than the assault variants, they are popular because of the bad hit detection and their higher per bullet damage, with better servers the assault variants will start to dominant the battlefield. Also how is an AR more OP than a weapon that can have 15000+ EHP and 1 shot ANY infantry? Exactly, I almost kill someone but then they one hit kill me with their Forge gun, I fear Forge guns more than any other weapon in the game Lol, I meant tanks.
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 256	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:33:00 - [17] - Quote Allotek is better
Baron Rittmeister Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 81	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:37:00 - [18] - Quote I rarely get killed by forge guns. The only thing that makes forge guns a challenge is he can get two shots in in the amount of time it takes to grind through his armor. Creodron isn't op just needs some more work as a lot of the weapons do. I've said this many times, with the servers the way they're set up now it's hard for them to keep up with registering a lot of bullets so the slower RoF weapons win out because most of their rounds count, and count for damage to boot. With better hit detection and registry, comes the balancing of the breach variants.
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:40:00 - [19] - Quote STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: STB-stlcarlos989 EV wrote: Breach variants have a lower DPS than the assault variants, they are popular because of the bad hit detection and their higher per bullet damage, with better servers the assault variants will start to dominant the battlefield. Also how is an AR more OP than a weapon that can have 15000+ EHP and 1 shot ANY infantry? Exactly, I almost kill someone but then they one hit kill me with their Forge gun, I fear Forge guns more than any other weapon in the game Lol, I meant tanks. Yeah i reread your comment after i posted and saw the "15000+ EHP" part
JAG ONE 97	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:43:00 - [20] - Quote Sub Urban Hero wrote: Seriously. Is this going to be fixed next patch or what? It's probably the most disgustingly OP thing in the game. I actually find Duvolle more powerful. I switched from Creo to Duvolle and instantly doubled the number of kills I usually get..

crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:44:00 - [21] - Quote the issue is range hasn't been added to the game yet. I've done more testing, it just hasn't. you can kill someone across the map with this gun as if you were using a sniper rlife. I love using it but there is no way the range forumal is in the game 100% yet. even missles have unlimited range. everything will work better when range is in. Even bf3 has range
Derek Barnes ZionTCD Legacy Rising 340	Posted - 2012.07.26 21:53:00 - [22] - Quote Range affects me, I couldn't shoot very far until i maxed out the skill that increases the guns range
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising 323	Posted - 2012.07.26 23:00:00 - [23] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: Wakko03 wrote: It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet. Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns.
crazy space ZionTCD Legacy Rising 879	Posted - 2012.07.26 23:15:00 - [24] - Quote Derek Barnes wrote: Range affects me, I couldn't shoot very far until i maxed out the skill that increases the guns range you just got better at playing and also the reduces kick means your shots are in a smaller spread over long distances
STB-stlcarlos989 EV Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 936	Posted - 2012.07.26 23:16:00 - [25] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: Wakko03 wrote: It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet. Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns. That is pure speculation based on zero fact, unless of course you can point us to your source.
Crimson MoonV Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 658	Posted - 2012.07.26 23:22:00 - [26] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: Wakko03 wrote: It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet. Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns. False, there are scopes on the guns in the E3 trailer
Fobhopper Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.07.27 01:06:00 - [27] - Quote the Creo is not OP, its a damn expensive rifle, and takes lots of SP to not just use it, but to make it useful. I run a 10% damage mod and have AR proficiency at 1 (about to make it 2), it takes a lot to make it useful. people complain because it has higher accuracy that duvolle, and with a 10% damage mod and only assault rifle proficiency its hitting for about 65.08 damage a shot, as compared to the duvolle with same skills/loadout hitting for about 40.68 damage, and the fact the the duvolle has a much higher bullet spread compared to the creodron (which has reduced bullet spread because of less recoil because of lower ROF) and has also better FFH (firing from the hip) accuracy. with better accuracy, meaning more rounds are going to hit your target, the creo is just a better rifle because of the way it operates. now if you want to run up on someone and burn through your magazine with a higher ROF and less accurate weapon hoping to kill someone, go ahead. But you come running up on me with that while I am firing my creo at you, and I am strafing, your pretty much S.O.L. Now if you get the drop on me (either because of the radar never working, or distracted) then your going to tear me apart. stop complaining and start training. it takes a lot to get into those proto AR weapons. Have you even tried fighting someone in proto armor (aka protogods), they are hard enough to take out, and nerfing our toys is just going to make proogods more godly because they are harder to kill.
Vesta Ren ZionTCD Legacy Rising 33	Posted - 2012.07.27 05:56:00 - [28] - Quote If you take the time to look at this, the issue isn't that any of the proto guns are "OP" but rather too many people have already maxed their stuff and are fully equipt. Play a match and you'll see almost everyone is using either a creodrone AR or an isuakure (sorry for the spelling) forge or sniper. Considering when the last character wipe was there is no way we should have maxed out profession trees this quick (even with 4X experience) CCP needs to add more intermediate steps between the standard stuff and the maxxed stuff.
Sake Monster Tritan-Industries Legacy Rising 353	Posted - 2012.07.27 06:40:00 - [29] - Quote Crimson MoonV wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Derek Barnes wrote: Wakko03 wrote: It is not like the creo or AR have a one hit kill grenade launcher yet. Yeah when they add that attachment, people are going to use them like crazy. Then there will be explosions everywhere I don't think they are adding any attachments to any of the guns.What up get on the gun when you buy them is what you get.I'm pretty sure that you won't be able to add scopes and GLs to any of the guns. False, there are scopes on the guns in the E3 trailer I can see scopes being added one day, but a grenade launcher would render the Mass Driver useless. Don't see them doing that.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2012.07.27 08:08:00 - [30] - Quote So does the Creo AR even have a down side compared to the other variations? or does it do everything better than the others? Why bother having the other ARs? If they lowerd the damage to the level of the burst ARs maybe they'd be more situationally balanced,there's got to be a big down side somewhere.



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