Yep tanks are lame and the only counter is grouping ..which we dont have.

Good luck getting over that wall however you try and do it.

Hope you dont go the lame tank way tho

I might have you mixed up with someone else but you ran with or ran some guys from MAG no ?
They not about ?
Anyway if ya feel like running with us be cool to have you along we are getting 4-8 peeps in every match all on coms. Cant get a full team cos its such a pain rigging the sides tbh.
hehe anyway our lads keep an eye out for you because your a bugger to kill always nice having you as a hostile freindly either way

20mil in SP

Basically filled out the majority of my skills for my assault AR class and support skills

Can run full proto gear in every match since i do have enough isk to lose




Now i really only have 2 options left, either go the anti vehicle route or go the tank route and while i skill for either i wont be much use until level 4 most likely


Ive realised i dont really want to do either because the majority of games i play im stuck with retards who just wont try or even bother having a mic, the ones which do have mics are awful and make ****** feedback noises which make them useless half the time and echo my own voice back to me through ther tv

Then i realise the enemy team are rolling around in 3 tanks, mauraders and my team being the bunch or dumbasses they are cannot even deal with them or even try to form a plan because they have no mics

I REALLY NEED GROUPING

So im with my AR suit simply because my milita AV stuff wont even scratch the paintwork but even my 600+ overall tank it means diddly **** next to all the missile turrets they have and thats no including the camping dropships on the towers which are more annoying, mainly because i cant see them but also the majority of the time the missiles hitting me have no explosion sound or any effects and the only way i know im getting hit is because my shield and armor are getting raped by an invisible force

If i do manage to survive that im constantly running around avoiding tanks while my team is mostly getting spawn raped and i know the match is a certain loss so its down to play for yourself and try not to die routine



So im left with either join the tanks group or try the AV route with me having to deal with the tanks on my own half the time

Now if i could group up with ppl i knew it would be more bareable because we can work to take out tham tank/s

Also tho i realised what a problem it is having camping dropships on towers because every ****** is doing it in all games, sure i cant see them but even if i could its still a problem overall and the current solution atm is to take your own dropship up and kill them unless they fly away and it becomes a dropship chase so you need a gunner and a guy with swarm launcher - grouping would also help in this scenario

So the camping dropship can fire his turrets at you while hes in park mode but i cant spawn on a dropship in park mode? eh it makes no sense to me, its like once you drop out of the pilot seat all the power to the CRU is turned off but yet the guns work. If i cant spawn why should you be able to fire your guns?

This brings me to the next problem, dropship pilots in general cant stay in the air for longer than 10secs without hitting the deck or parking on top of the towers which then turns off the CRU, its happened alot im ther ready to spawn 3secs left and they park it and i cant spawn ther so i have to wait another 10secs and its like wtf

Atm we really dont have a APC of sorts, i would like it if i could have a dropship with an active CRU even if you are in park mode (pilot has to be in pilot seat tho) but you would have no turrets as a consquence so you are purly for dropping ppl off and picking ppl up aka transport ship and for the trade off of no guns/defences the ship would also have a much larger tank so it can effectively do its job wihtout hitting the dec 5 secs after being ordered in





Now onto tanks


As i said im an assault guy with an AR built for mopping up the MI but when ther is 3-4 mauraders in the same game your kinda ****** in general and espc if they all have gunners meaning thers very little MI to shoot at and you cant really stop the tank unless its a milita fit

So really the only defensive i have is RE which need to be planted and try to lure the tank over em and i may do damage but it needs other ppl to help out - cant be refilled

AV nades hit n miss - cant be refilled

The thing i am missing is anti tank mines, put em in the equipment slots like RE are but allow them to be refilled by nanohives/supply depots so they are useful plus add in skills and you can have the diff mines like with all other weapons

Also with all vehicles with turrets add a cargohold, make them buy ammo for each turret and also make each turret have to hold a set amount of ammo ie 10 missiles then after they used them they have a 5sec reload time for example so its not constant missile spam



The map itself is very open and made for mostly vehicle combat with very few areas for MI vs MI unlike the last map and since the 1mil SP giveaway it seemes everyone has whacked it into tanks and seeing the tanks every game with idiot teams gets to you

TLDR? tough **** i dont care

Yep tanks are lame and the only counter is grouping ..which we dont have.

Good luck getting over that wall however you try and do it.

Hope you dont go the lame tank way tho

Also tho i realised what a problem it is having camping dropships on towers because every ****** is doing it in all games, sure i cant see them but even if i could its still a problem overall and the current solution atm is to take your own dropship up and kill them unless they fly away and it becomes a dropship chase so you need a gunner and a guy with swarm launcher - grouping would also help in this scenario

Just had this with agent smith (yes the KDR chump with less kills overall than I've got suicides) finally crashed my ship into his which left me in the red looking at his fat suit. He lost. I died in the red, he quit game. We won.

I think benny hill music would make this game more fun.

Being a sniper without team work isn't that much fun either when you have to dodge 2 drops ships and 3 tanks and everyone wants to kill you if they see you with sniper rifle and chase you all over the map ...

Then you finally find that good place to keep watch (snipe) on A, B or C and realise that no is at A but you team is happily running to get raped on B where enemy sagaris has set up a camp and you end up running to take A all by your self because no one else in your team obviously can deviate from their lemming like behaviour.

Have you ever considered being a scout sniper?

What about a scout runner that plants remote explosives on every objective?

What about a scout that runs, hidden in the hills, and plants drop uplinks?

What about a logistics merc that helps other mercs with supplies, revives, even hacking and the next build will bring a completely revamped logistics dropsuit.

You could also train up to use LAVs that are specialized in just speeding around and running people over. Sure, tanks can one-shot you, but tanks are slow and so are their turrets. My brother trained his character up for vehicles and fitted his Methana for speed. He then proceeded to drive deep into the RED ZONE where the enemy's default spawn point is, managed to run over a poor fellow who was waiting for his tank to be dropped in. He got in an out so quick that he had plenty of time to avoid the 20-second RED ZONE timer. A nano-fiber-fitted Methana can speed in and out so fast that Vin Diesel would be jealous. Oh, you can drift with them too.

I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ram into a tank with a Methana in an attempt to destroy. Suicide attacks are a legitimate strategy in DUST just like tower camping, spawn camping, using REs in place of assault rifles, using a dropship like you're ironing your clothes, running in circles in a scout suit against a heavy who can't turn to save his own life, running into a group of enemy mercs with a COOKED GRENADE like you're the Taliban, rigging an entire room with explosives with you in it as your enemies follow you in there (hell of an alternative to the Swarm Launcher abuse that existed in the pre-E3 build).

There is much more to learn about than just Assaults, AV's and Tanks.

Also, once Corporations are formed, another variable to the mathematical formula is added. Espionage and Sabotage. Just like in Eve Online, if you can't destroy your enemy with brute force, then destroy with deceit, deception, counter-intelligence, drama, or just get promoted to a high-ranking position with access to your corp's war chest and steal everything they own. Make them bleed before the fight even begins.

So you are complaining about the fact that you invested too heavily too early into a [beta], and an incomplete build because, you somehow have WAY too much time on your hands? Funny. I got a good laugh out of this. It's fun to laugh at such trivial things.

Sniper is useless, i have yet to see one good sniper in this game

Logi is crap atm, pointless trying to heal ppl atm and drop uplinks i can fit on my AR with tweeking but the suit itself is fairly weak and with so many tanks and heavys about you dont last

LAVs are not that specialized tbh, milita is good enough to get from A to B


Right now on this map its either tanks or AV and maybe AR when ther isnt enough tanks and dropships to blot out the sun

Translation:

I don't know how to play sniper, so it can't be done.

Logi is crap in part because of incomplete support mechanics, but also partly because I'm bad at coordinating with my team to make myself useful.

LAVs suck because I suck with them.

Right now there's an imbalance in favour of vehicles and anti-vehicle builds, and I refuse to adapt my playstyle by preferentially targeting AV players who WILL be prevalent on the other team and making life easier for the vehicles my team provides. I'm also too proud of my skills in one area of the game to be willing to side-skill into another role.

How about instead of skilling up for your KDR, you try picking up a Forge Gun instead?

gibberish

Snipers are useless in this game.

Snipers are useless in any game where they don't support a coordinated team.

If you get that, a good sniper can be a valuable asset.

if a sniper can't average 25-35 kills per game without a coordinated team then they aren't a sniper.

English.. I totally agree with you. I mentioned the problem on IRC to CCP Wolfman and he seemed to be pretty clueless about the problem. I asked him to look at the vehicle spamage in games now, and he said "are there too many vehicles"?

I have tech2 heavy suit forge gun and AV nade set up too, problem is the other assault users seem to be trash, don't drop me hives, and should probably skill for swarms & SMG's as they require least skill to use (for infantry).

Ther is no good snipers

Logi is crap because they can barely survive for 5mins and i can do logi in an assault with a better tank so i survive longer

LAV is a 4x4 which isnt hard to use and ther is no specialization with an LAV

Rest is gibberish while he obv didnt read the thread

It's stopped by to say snipers are useless its been said and I agree

No good snipers? Then can you care to explain how I managed to land 13 sniper kills in one match in Skirmish? No, I'm not a spawn camper. Though it's a legitimate strategy, I prefer a challenge instead.

A whole 13? You hero... Bwahahaha sorry dude. 13? LoL
This is the problem. 13? You realise for giggles last build I ran about with knife only. 15-5 messing about. Not shooting. I know I'm alright at FPS. I'm far from the best though. Proto's logic is bang on. You've got to be getting top kills before sniping is a worthy option. I accept people need to practise though.

The problem is what you CAN'T / WON'T do as a sniper. Capping, blowing tanks up, blocking shots with your face, healing, getting in the enemies face, providing FORWARD spawn points, rargh RAGE

ANDJ3H is the only guy sniping effectively at the moment. Why? Because he'll still cap an objective using RE&SMG, then keep that objective by any means. He's not a sniper, he just uses a sniper rifle. He's a damn good player.

Whoever said snipers are useful they are not, mostly because they dont have a OHK weapon to rely on and they have to accuratly hit 2 shots in rapid fire or at least follow a moving target after the 1st shot which 99.9% cannot do and they end up being useless

Whoever said logi suit will tank aswell as an assault suit they are also wrong, look at the stats in the marketplace and compare basic stats, i can do most logi things with the proto assault suit if i wanted tbh

A whole 13? You hero... Bwahahaha sorry dude. 13? LoL
This is the problem. 13? You realise for giggles last build I ran about with knife only. 15-5 messing about. Not shooting. I know I'm alright at FPS. I'm far from the best though. Proto's logic is bang on. You've got to be getting top kills before sniping is a worthy option. I accept people need to practise though.

The problem is what you CAN'T / WON'T do as a sniper. Capping, blowing tanks up, blocking shots with your face, healing, getting in the enemies face, providing FORWARD spawn points, rargh RAGE

ANDJ3H is the only guy sniping effectively at the moment. Why? Because he'll still cap an objective using RE&SMG, then keep that objective by any means. He's not a sniper, he just uses a sniper rifle. He's a damn good player.

Sha, the tanks are just fine. Skill up a prototype swarm launcher or proto forge gun and even the marauder drivers will think twice about what they're doing. My brother played a match with his team and won. He was mainly a logi guy this match and they won without even using a single vehicle. Please keep in mind that he drives maruaders himself and has learned that the sagaris has a natural predator.

So really the only defensive i have is RE which need to be planted and try to lure the tank over em and i may do damage but it needs other ppl to help out - cant be refilled

AV nades hit n miss - cant be refilled

Uhm.. actually u can refill them at the Fitting Station. U just have to go in the Menu at the Station and select ur Dropsuite build.

The remote explosive Nerf new to come with an AV nade increase. 5 please :)

The problem comes when snake and I are forced to use antitank loadouts because it takes literally a whole team to kill a well fitted HAV. It's the fact mr 13-0 sniper will still be saying "I'm useful", the 0-13 guys just want to quit, and there's always some chump in a Dropship doing naff all.
What's that? You want the good players to carry the bad ones? No no no.... Not like this.... This means I don't make my character.... The backward mofos I'm with make my char.
The same guys who won't go 30-0 or whatever playing as infantry.

@anyone sniping still.
Being a pure sniper you suck. Go hybrid or gtfo.

The remote explosive Nerf new to come with an AV nade increase. 5 please :)