DUST Search - Ive hit the wall and ranting about it

EnglishSnake wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

EnglishSnake wrote:

Sniper is useless, i have yet to see one good sniper in this game

Logi is crap atm, pointless trying to heal ppl atm and drop uplinks i can fit on my AR with tweeking but the suit itself is fairly weak and with so many tanks and heavys about you dont last

LAVs are not that specialized tbh, milita is good enough to get from A to B

Right now on this map its either tanks or AV and maybe AR when ther isnt enough tanks and dropships to blot out the sun

Translation:

I don't know how to play sniper, so it can't be done.

Logi is crap in part because of incomplete support mechanics, but also partly because I'm bad at coordinating with my team to make myself useful.

LAVs suck because I suck with them.

Right now there's an imbalance in favour of vehicles and anti-vehicle builds, and I refuse to adapt my playstyle by preferentially targeting AV players who WILL be prevalent on the other team and making life easier for the vehicles my team provides. I'm also too proud of my skills in one area of the game to be willing to side-skill into another role.

Ther is no good snipers

Logi is crap because they can barely survive for 5mins and i can do logi in an assault with a better tank so i survive longer

LAV is a 4x4 which isnt hard to use and ther is no specialization with an LAV

Rest is gibberish while he obv didnt read the thread


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Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.21 17:35:00 - [1] - Quote Have you ever considered being a scout sniper? What about a scout runner that plants remote explosives on every objective? What about a scout that runs, hidden in the hills, and plants drop uplinks? What about a logistics merc that helps other mercs with supplies, revives, even hacking and the next build will bring a completely revamped logistics dropsuit. You could also train up to use LAVs that are specialized in just speeding around and running people over. Sure, tanks can one-shot you, but tanks are slow and so are their turrets. My brother trained his character up for vehicles and fitted his Methana for speed. He then proceeded to drive deep into the RED ZONE where the enemy's default spawn point is, managed to run over a poor fellow who was waiting for his tank to be dropped in. He got in an out so quick that he had plenty of time to avoid the 20-second RED ZONE timer. A nano-fiber-fitted Methana can speed in and out so fast that Vin Diesel would be jealous. Oh, you can drift with them too. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to ram into a tank with a Methana in an attempt to destroy. Suicide attacks are a legitimate strategy in DUST just like tower camping, spawn camping, using REs in place of assault rifles, using a dropship like you're ironing your clothes, running in circles in a scout suit against a heavy who can't turn to save his own life, running into a group of enemy mercs with a COOKED GRENADE like you're the Taliban, rigging an entire room with explosives with you in it as your enemies follow you in there (hell of an alternative to the Swarm Launcher abuse that existed in the pre-E3 build). There is much more to learn about than just Assaults, AV's and Tanks. Also, once Corporations are formed, another variable to the mathematical formula is added. Espionage and Sabotage. Just like in Eve Online, if you can't destroy your enemy with brute force, then destroy with deceit, deception, counter-intelligence, drama, or just get promoted to a high-ranking position with access to your corp's war chest and steal everything they own. Make them bleed before the fight even begins.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.21 18:03:00 - [2] - Quote carl von oppenheimer wrote: Being a sniper without team work isn't that much fun either when you have to dodge 2 drops ships and 3 tanks and everyone wants to kill you if they see you with sniper rifle and chase you all over the map ... Then you finally find that good place to keep watch (snipe) on A, B or C and realise that no is at A but you team is happily running to get raped on B where enemy sagaris has set up a camp and you end up running to take A all by your self because no one else in your team obviously can deviate from their lemming like behaviour. True, but one has to consider that the purpose of a sniper is to be on their own. But that doesn't make them entirely a lone wolf as they can provide intel on the locations of enemy tanks, mercs, etc. If a friendly merc warned everyone not to spawn at point A, and someone in the ranks does it anyways and gets killed, then that insubordinate has only himself to blame.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.21 21:06:00 - [3] - Quote EnglishSnake wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: EnglishSnake wrote: Sniper is useless, i have yet to see one good sniper in this game Logi is crap atm, pointless trying to heal ppl atm and drop uplinks i can fit on my AR with tweeking but the suit itself is fairly weak and with so many tanks and heavys about you dont last LAVs are not that specialized tbh, milita is good enough to get from A to B Right now on this map its either tanks or AV and maybe AR when ther isnt enough tanks and dropships to blot out the sun Translation: I don't know how to play sniper, so it can't be done. Logi is crap in part because of incomplete support mechanics, but also partly because I'm bad at coordinating with my team to make myself useful. LAVs suck because I suck with them. Right now there's an imbalance in favour of vehicles and anti-vehicle builds, and I refuse to adapt my playstyle by preferentially targeting AV players who WILL be prevalent on the other team and making life easier for the vehicles my team provides. I'm also too proud of my skills in one area of the game to be willing to side-skill into another role. Ther is no good snipers Logi is crap because they can barely survive for 5mins and i can do logi in an assault with a better tank so i survive longer LAV is a 4x4 which isnt hard to use and ther is no specialization with an LAV Rest is gibberish while he obv didnt read the thread No good snipers? Then can you care to explain how I managed to land 13 sniper kills in one match in Skirmish? No, I'm not a spawn camper. Though it's a legitimate strategy, I prefer a challenge instead. For Logi, wait for the next build then. Their shield HP will be on par with that of an Assault, they will hack faster than other suits, and if you have a nanite injector fitted you will be able to see who needs reviving while other players will be forced into a 8-second bleedout phase before being able to chose to suicide or wait another 30 seconds. Yes there is specialization. You can fit it for speed. You can also fit it as a mobile CRU. You can also fit it to tank most standard swarm launchers (as long at your ride isn't militia). It's also an effective battering ram. Ok, given that Garrette sounded quite blunt and upfront with you right there, at least my points are still valid. I suck with vehicles, so I tried assault. I suck with assaults, so I tried logi. Logi needs more work (but will be better in the next build this August) so I tried sniper. Guess what? Advanced Scout Dropsuit Prototype Ishrukon Sniper Rifle <----just recently trained to this 2x Basic Damage Modifiers 2x Catalysts for sprint speed I. Fracking. Own. Some assault dudes no doubt complain that I'm a lame camper who doesn't have the balls to face the up close and personal. But here is the thing. I'm not the one running around blindly with guns ablaze in the open in the middle of a war zone. I also coordinate. If I have a cooperative team that uses the mic, I can communicate the location of the enemy while I go about hacking critical CRU's. Sometimes I switch out to a different scout suit that includes drop uplinks so that my friends can attack from within. Also, a sniper on the ground can snip out tower campers.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.21 21:37:00 - [4] - Quote If you are daring enough, you can be like PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE (how many E's does he have?) and run up to a tank, dance on it like a stripper at Tootsie's and kill the driver.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.22 08:46:00 - [5] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: Quote: No good snipers? Then can you care to explain how I managed to land 13 sniper kills in one match in Skirmish? No, I'm not a spawn camper. Though it's a legitimate strategy, I prefer a challenge instead. A whole 13? You hero... Bwahahaha sorry dude. 13? LoL This is the problem. 13? You realise for giggles last build I ran about with knife only. 15-5 messing about. Not shooting. I know I'm alright at FPS. I'm far from the best though. Proto's logic is bang on. You've got to be getting top kills before sniping is a worthy option. I accept people need to practise though. The problem is what you CAN'T / WON'T do as a sniper. Capping, blowing tanks up, blocking shots with your face, healing, getting in the enemies face, providing FORWARD spawn points, rargh RAGE ANDJ3H is the only guy sniping effectively at the moment. Why? Because he'll still cap an objective using RE&SMG, then keep that objective by any means. He's not a sniper, he just uses a sniper rifle. He's a damn good player. Since when have arbitrary numbers got involved here? Just because someone has 35 kills and I got 13 doesn't mean that I am a bad sniper. It just means that someone is a better sniper than me. A bad sniper is one who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a cannon. Kudos to the guy who is daring enough to face his enemy, but I'm strictly a sniper by heart because I don't do well with attacking the enemy like an assault would. I go in undetected, hack anything that is left unattended, and hide again waiting for enemy assaults to pop out. Sometimes I even go as far as hunt other snipers that might be out looking for me.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.22 09:11:00 - [6] - Quote Sha, the tanks are just fine. Skill up a prototype swarm launcher or proto forge gun and even the marauder drivers will think twice about what they're doing. My brother played a match with his team and won. He was mainly a logi guy this match and they won without even using a single vehicle. Please keep in mind that he drives maruaders himself and has learned that the sagaris has a natural predator.