Well aren't you a fun character, let my simplify this a bit better.

a semblance of single player works wonders for a game that is already specced to break barriers.
CCP no doubt has alot riding on whether this game becomes legendary or dies in an alley.
As stated above EVE already has small single player missions of sorts. You so easily scoff at the idea of a small campaign that would have no bearing to the main game simply because its breaks your 'tradition' of an MMO. Hell, even World of Warcraft is based on single player crap (minus raiding and PVP of course).

I seriously hope you do not speak for all MMO players. You are quite loudly refusing to evolve simply because EVE has nothing that is single player worthy. I doubt you would even allow a single mission simply to set the stage for the sheer magnitude that is the EVE universe.Every good game in history has a sh*tload of story to it. Dust should aswell, how quickly will this game become dry if we can only shoot guy #5 and reclaim planet #7 for the 43rd time this week?

Story makes good games - we need to see that in the game to a fashion. Not read/watch it outside of it.

If your saying that Dust shoudn't have these things, then perhaps my time and money is best spent on other games.

1. I never said it wouldn't be a good idea to have content that can be done solo. I think it would be a bad idea NOT to include that content.

2. I've never played EVE, and only rarely played other MMOs, and I've been at least partly a console gamer since PS1 era, so no, I'm not saying what I said out of some preconception that it worked for EVE so it has to work for a different game set in the same universe.

3. I didn't start this argument, you did, by claiming that a lack of any PURE solo content would cripple the game.

4. EVE doesn't have single player, as I said. Neither does WoW. Both games give players missions which don't NEED other players, but they don't have any ACTUAL solo content.

5. EVERY good game in history has loads of story to it? Ever play flOw? How about Flower? You're welcome to try and convince me there's a story in Street Fighter, and last I heard that was still well-regarded. How about something a bit more... EVE-like in terms of scale though... Frontier: Elite II. Amazing game, single player only, and the story is literally no more than "congratulations, you inherited a spaceship. Have fun."

Valid points, all those games are true exceptions However, Dust is still a console on a server that belongs to someone else.
CCP must guarantee to Sony that it will continue to impress on a pseudo-weekly basis.

If it remains a EVE clone then I truly doubt players outside of EVE will continue to enjoy it.

Also this isn't an argument - its a discussion, I simply want to understand and perhaps convey points and ideas that seem vaild to this particular thread and forum.

I'm all in favour of co-op missions that can be completed by a single player with noob gear.

There should be npc missions when the game goes live or even during open beta when we get to test the full game before release.

because my hard earned cash goes towards making dust, and as a very long term eve player i care what goes on, and how it will affect my life in eve-online. some idiot upsets you in dust be damn sure he has some more might guns at hand in space ready to bring the pain , and plenty of isk to throw are just for squits n giggless

also 7+yrs playing eve one should have a break from the norm and try other things.
why did you join a beta ?

not all of us are testosterone filled teenagers with a penance to camping and c***
so best way to get away from that pony and trap is to do stuff solo.

and before you pipe up more, in eve i have done nearly all, dust was/is an extention to that

Valid points, all those games are true exceptions However, Dust is still a console on a server that belongs to someone else.
CCP must guarantee to Sony that it will continue to impress on a pseudo-weekly basis.

If it remains a EVE clone then I truly doubt players outside of EVE will continue to enjoy it.

Also this isn't an argument - its a discussion, I simply want to understand and perhaps convey points and ideas that seem vaild to this particular thread and forum.

Why in open BETA? Beta's aren't for your enjoyment. PvE will be released when PvE is ready. If CCP is smart, they won't release PvE until the game comes out even if they are already finished with it.

PvE testing doesn't get anything done. Beta's are meant to get s*** done.

I'm an Eve player as well, but you forgot something important......


THIS ISN'T EVE!!!!!

This is Dust. An FPS game.

Can tell you have never beta tested before nor have done any programming so I'll be nice. We'll even test npc missions to make sure they work as well. We did this for Eve and we'll do it for Dust. PvE is part of the game.

I can tell you've never worked for a games company.


So, what can we conclude? We can conclude that CCP can hire 10-20 people (or have a dev team or two) test the PvE content, which they can't do for the multiplayer content. Why can't they do the multiplayer content? Because having a thousand people playing at once, over a weekend, will find more glitches than 20 players playing over a month.

A lot of games companies do in-house testing. They often have a team for QA (quality assurance) who do nothing but stress test the game. I've heard stories of how one guy who worked for a games company, in QA, had to play the same ten minutes of a game for about a week straight to find any bugs or glitches.

So, let's examine what we need for PvE testing.
- Players. Maximum at any one time? Probably about 10-20.

Let's examine what we need for multiplayer testing.
- Players. Anywhere up to a few thousand. The more the better.
- Server stress tests. See above.

This happens when it goes to Open Beta. You'd know that if you actually have done beta testing before.

I'm actually in beta testing for three other games right now. I've also gone into games which have been released early due either to a mistake, or the games company running out of funds, and which have effectively been a beta.

To name a few:
Endless Space
Dota 2
CS:GO
SMNC
Hegemony
Mount and Blade (and subsequent expansions)


So, that's four games I've been in beta for, and another three which have been released early (SMNC due to a beta key error, the other two due to a lack of funds). That's just in the last two years. I won't go back into the past ten years, or hell, the past 18 years I've been a gamer. Let's not even go into the ones I can't remember (which do include MMOs aswell).

The fact of the matter is, PvE content doesn't need to be stress tested by the playerbase. They can do it, effectively, in house. How, you ask? Why, PvE content will be scripted. They will know when the spawns pop up, and they can look at it from every angle in game. What happens if you do this, or that, or yadda. They can get a lot more constructive feedback by doing it all in-house.

Multiplayer just isn't feasible for CCP in in-house testing, for reasons I've stated above. Large maps, huge number of variables, and lots and lots of balance issues.

Also, note this: I never said you didn't beta test before. I just said that you've never worked for a games company before. There is a vast difference.

Then you understand nothing. They have to test if there will be an issue with multiple people taking the same mission which is a part of multiplayer.

not to be mean bud, but the rules of what an MMO is changes when it comes to console games.

COD ( has the larget multiplayer base in gaming history)
I really don't need to bother typing anymore as COD has a very expansive and expressive solo campaign in every damn game.

Can tell you have never beta tested before nor have done any programming so I'll be nice. We'll even test npc missions to make sure they work as well. We did this for Eve and we'll do it for Dust. PvE is part of the game.