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Garrett Blacknova
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Posted - 2012.07.20 15:52:00 -
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Did you even look at what you signed up for?
Seriously?
If there's single player, we've been lied to... |
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Posted - 2012.07.20 16:10:00 -
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Sohkar Adelis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Did you even look at what you signed up for?
Seriously?
If there's single player, we've been lied to... LOL unless this game wants to be an exact replica of DC Online, there should be some semblance of singleplayer short story. To at least give us a sexy backdrop of the incredible massive storyline that is EVE of course. 3-4 pointless missions and awesome cutscenes would satiate me.
Name one MMO that has single player content, and I'll name one that doesn't. I can guarantee you'll run out first.
Content that CAN be done solo, but also allows for co-op play doesn't count. By the way, the "Rogue Drones" mode will probably be playable solo... although that will probably be an incredibly stupid idea... |
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Posted - 2012.07.20 17:04:00 -
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Sohkar Adelis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Sohkar Adelis wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Did you even look at what you signed up for?
Seriously?
If there's single player, we've been lied to... LOL unless this game wants to be an exact replica of DC Online, there should be some semblance of singleplayer short story. To at least give us a sexy backdrop of the incredible massive storyline that is EVE of course. 3-4 pointless missions and awesome cutscenes would satiate me. Name one MMO that has single player content, and I'll name one that doesn't. I can guarantee you'll run out first. Content that CAN be done solo, but also allows for co-op play doesn't count. By the way, the "Rogue Drones" mode will probably be playable solo... although that will probably be an incredibly stupid idea... not to be mean bud, but the rules of what an MMO is changes when it comes to console games. COD ( has the larget multiplayer base in gaming history) I really don't need to bother typing anymore as COD has a very expansive and expressive solo campaign in every damn game.
Not to be mean, bud, but the definition of MMO doesn't change by platform. Proper MMO gameplay doesn't happen very much on consoles, but that doesn't mean any game with lots of players automatically qualifies. If you WANT to limit yourself to console games only, and actually use a legitimate definition of MMO, you have Tom Clancy's Endwar with its Theater Of War online mode that counted as MMO with single player as well. On the other hand, I have DCUO, Free Realms, and arguably Playstation Home, as well as the few browser-based ones that actually run in the PS3 browser.
But just for fun, I'll play along with your delusion, and pretend that you can actually count CoD as being MMO in spite of how obviously failtastic that attempt at logic was. Because most MMO expansions result in more change than most CoD sequels, I think it's fair to treat the series' iterative nature as making it a single example with a series of expansions. As a result, I only need one example to counter that, as per my previous challenge to you. DCUO has already been brought up, so lets run with that. It's your turn. Good luck. |
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Posted - 2012.07.20 17:10:00 -
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Mr TamiyaCowboy wrote:tarbleaune wrote:Why would you join a BETA ???? because my hard earned cash goes towards making dust, and as a very long term eve player i care what goes on, and how it will affect my life in eve-online. also 7+yrs playing eve one should have a break from the norm and try other things. why did you join a beta ? not all of us are testosterone filled teenagers with a penance to camping and c*** so best way to get away from that pony and trap is to do stuff solo. and before you pipe up more, in eve i have done nearly all, dust was/is an extention to that
So you play EVE... which means you know what MMO means, which means... how did you miss that this is the same thing?
Sure you can go off alone, in EVE or DUST... but there isn't any scripted single player content, just content that CAN be done alone if you really want to. |
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Posted - 2012.07.20 17:38:00 -
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Sohkar Adelis wrote:Well aren't you a fun character, let my simplify this a bit better.
a semblance of single player works wonders for a game that is already specced to break barriers.
CCP no doubt has alot riding on whether this game becomes legendary or dies in an alley.
As stated above EVE already has small single player missions of sorts. You so easily scoff at the idea of a small campaign that would have no bearing to the main game simply because its breaks your 'tradition' of an MMO. Hell, even World of Warcraft is based on single player crap (minus raiding and PVP of course).
I seriously hope you do not speak for all MMO players. You are quite loudly refusing to evolve simply because EVE has nothing that is single player worthy. I doubt you would even allow a single mission simply to set the stage for the sheer magnitude that is the EVE universe.Every good game in history has a sh*tload of story to it. Dust should aswell, how quickly will this game become dry if we can only shoot guy #5 and reclaim planet #7 for the 43rd time this week?
Story makes good games - we need to see that in the game to a fashion. Not read/watch it outside of it.
If your saying that Dust shoudn't have these things, then perhaps my time and money is best spent on other games.
1. I never said it wouldn't be a good idea to have content that can be done solo. I think it would be a bad idea NOT to include that content.
2. I've never played EVE, and only rarely played other MMOs, and I've been at least partly a console gamer since PS1 era, so no, I'm not saying what I said out of some preconception that it worked for EVE so it has to work for a different game set in the same universe.
3. I didn't start this argument, you did, by claiming that a lack of any PURE solo content would cripple the game.
4. EVE doesn't have single player, as I said. Neither does WoW. Both games give players missions which don't NEED other players, but they don't have any ACTUAL solo content.
5. EVERY good game in history has loads of story to it? Ever play flOw? How about Flower? You're welcome to try and convince me there's a story in Street Fighter, and last I heard that was still well-regarded. How about something a bit more... EVE-like in terms of scale though... Frontier: Elite II. Amazing game, single player only, and the story is literally no more than "congratulations, you inherited a spaceship. Have fun." |
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Posted - 2012.07.20 17:56:00 -
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Sohkar Adelis wrote:Valid points, all those games are true exceptions However, Dust is still a console on a server that belongs to someone else.
CCP must guarantee to Sony that it will continue to impress on a pseudo-weekly basis.
If it remains a EVE clone then I truly doubt players outside of EVE will continue to enjoy it.
Also this isn't an argument - its a discussion, I simply want to understand and perhaps convey points and ideas that seem vaild to this particular thread and forum.
Well that made me feel like an idiot. Well done.
+1 for you, and as I've said, I'm not saying they shouldn't have story content. I'm just saying it shouldn't be EXCLUSIVELY SOLO content.
I'm all in favour of co-op missions that can be completed by a single player with noob gear. |
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