could anyone explain to me why there is a player max. If they are using the same server as in eve why cant we see a battles that are in the 1000's or atleast 500.

There is also the issue of bandwidth. every vehicle, grenade, missile, nanohive, and person on the battlefield is data that needs to be sent to every player. The more players they add the more of the bandwidth is used up.

Do it too much and many potential customers will be unable to play without excess lag.

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True they will push the limits as much as possible. I still think the PS3 itself might be one of the biggest factors in the limits of battle size.

What is the current record on PS3 for largest FPS match?

Bandwidth is the last of their concerns. If you can run a battle in EVE with 20,000 ships all firing missiles and projectiles at each other, you can have a battle with 200 merc using ARs.

Doesn't MAG have 128 player battles?

Well. From what I know of specs: 7 cores, 1 of whichs is a PPE processor... 256mb of ram...
So... Eh...? You EVE players know more tech of computers then me. But I'm quite sure it's not the /worst/ specs ever.

It's not good either when you consider that 8gb of ram is now considered the sweet spot for a pc now

True, very true. Hell, that amount of ram is low for me to run a mine craft server on.
Though console ram differents from PC ram as it is often more concentrated/efficient apparently.

And this is why dust on the ps4 will be **** bricks amazing.

Primarily at the moment because it is beta. Additionally an FPS requires magnitudes more server resources then EVE does. Lag is bad enough on EVE imagine its effects in an FPS with 1000 people fight in one map. Possibly a limitation on the PS3 platform but I am not sure about that.

Been reading up on the ps4 and it dosn't sound verry impressive if what is written is true.

Seems like it will have 1gb of ram an ati quad core chip and ati gpu not a high end one either, but youll have to look yourselves to see if you think it's correct.

i don't know much about pc but i know something called virtual ram and sony just brought a cloud like company could the ps3 have a small update for ram?

The reason RAM exists is because it allows the system to store smaller amounts of data in a location where it can be accessed MUCH faster than through other methods.

Virtual Memory is where a "swapfile" is created on the hard Drive, and data is quickly swapped (hence the name) between this file and the RAM, effectively increasing the amount of RAM available without needing a physical upgrade.

Cloud services are totally irrelevant to either of these things, so no, Sony buying Gaikai isn't going to give the PS3 a RAM upgrade. But you're thinking along the right lines - there have been a few PS3 games that created swapfiles. Although some of them do so VERY badly, and instead of having a fixed allocation of space, they gradually eat your HDD the longer you play.

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True they will push the limits as much as possible. I still think the PS3 itself might be one of the biggest factors in the limits of battle size.

What is the current record on PS3 for largest FPS match?

That last part would just suck especially if you have a PS3 with a small hardrive. All of a sudden the game just stops or gets real slow.

The limiting issue with the PS3 has always been RAM. Yes, MAG had 128 v. 128 players but they did that by controlling a few things:
1) they limited the number of weapons, armor, vehicles, etc. and generally any personalization that would have required additional memory to be utilized
2) they strongly controlled the rendering of any objects that are seen on the screen at any time.

Zipper, the makers of MAG claimed that their engine could allow for more than 256 players in a game at a time but nobody ever saw that.

Some of the things that MAG players asked for a lot but were always told that the limits of the PS3 did not allow for it were female character bodies or heads and various minor personalizations. They were constantly told that the memory was just not there for it. One other request was to have a game mode with three different teams playing against each other. They got this game mode but it was 16 v 16 v 16 and were told that the game mode could not handle any more players than that, again, because of memory.

Let's be clear here (because I have seen the mistakes in talking about this issue) the problem is not with the maps or their size.... or the number of maps for that matter. The problem is with personalizations. When the game starts, all the information for every gun, armor, equipment, body type, head type etc. that CAN be in the game (notice I say "can be in the game" and not "IS" in the game) needs to get loaded into memory along with map information and it all has to fit into the skimpy amount of RAM memory that the PS3 has.

It seems to me that when I am running around in DUST I run into moments where there is a swap done to give me more map. If this is the case then CCP is not loading in the entire map into memory. This might be because they are over-rendering the map (which they should change/improve) or because they are trying to preserve memory in the hopes that they will be able to give us more players in a battle. The flip side of all of this is that they have already run into memory problems and won't be able to give us anything more than they already have.

Do you by chance have a link my good sir? I'd be interested in reading that. And not to mention the console does still have some time before its released.

It's not good either when you consider that 8gb of ram is now considered the sweet spot for a pc now

The reason RAM exists is because it allows the system to store smaller amounts of data in a location where it can be accessed MUCH faster than through other methods.

Virtual Memory is where a "swapfile" is created on the hard Drive, and data is quickly swapped (hence the name) between this file and the RAM, effectively increasing the amount of RAM available without needing a physical upgrade.

Cloud services are totally irrelevant to either of these things, so no, Sony buying Gaikai isn't going to give the PS3 a RAM upgrade. But you're thinking along the right lines - there have been a few PS3 games that created swapfiles. Although some of them do so VERY badly, and instead of having a fixed allocation of space, they gradually eat your HDD the longer you play.

I heard that the battles are simultaneously happening in one planet. Looking at this trailer Dust, take note that there is another battle happening on the other side.

Players per match isn't the problem: limited time per match is a problem.

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True they will push the limits as much as possible. I still think the PS3 itself might be one of the biggest factors in the limits of battle size.

What is the current record on PS3 for largest FPS match?

before time dilation your option in EVE with huge spikes was to wait for the server to load which could take from 15minutes to hours or just never loading at all.
Hence the winner in most battle before time dilation was the fleet that was there first and not because they had any kind of advantage but because the system had loaded for them first and this often lead to death while watching black screen, gun never cycling and all that.
Sometimes I saw my own a body appear floating next to my carrier and I knew that I was dead before I had even finished loading the system.

Often the lag was used as advantage by bringing a huge number of ships mainly cheap ones just to lag out the system on purpose.
Now with time dilation we can have fights that number thousands on each side without significant strain for the servers. Dilation works because of the cyclic nature of EVE (guns always cycle ie. shoot on set intervals and so forth).
What dilation does is that it slows everyone in the fight equally so that one side can no longer "steal" all the server time by being there first.

The largest maps will be 7x7km right? So won't 32 vs 32 feel a bit empty or will it inspire more tactical gameplay and less "guns blazing" like it is now?