This is so wrong.
Yes, once Dust is live we will have battles similar to that. But they won't be planned by CCP. They'll just happen because that's what battles in Dust are supposed to look like.
Keep in mind Dust lives within EVE. Together and eash on its own they are persistent game worlds. Such cities as in your description will be a constant part of the Dust landscape because corporations will build them. Other corporations will be constantly trying to conquer them too.

So yeah, we'll have A LOT of battles like that. But no, they won't be predesigned and they will mean something to someone. They will also cost a lot of ISK. Conquering a city takes a lot of funding. So does defending it.

Going by the announcements at the last FF, some planet sections are going to be very large. Some more than 10 KM across.
These large sections could be boring if the owning corporation does nothing with them or they could provide for deadly battles if that corp invests in the land.
In the end, I think, it's just all up to the players.

the current plateaus map is supposedly only 1/5 of the actual map.

I think if I remember correctly the maximum map size will be 25 square km. my memory may be off. as for doing something like you suggest in dust. I think it would be technically very difficult to do with the way the game is designed. Those types of battles worked for killzone but what was the max player count for each match?

Oh really? So it's suppose to be larger with more installments? Hmm, missed that I guess. Though, i dont think 24 vs 24 will be enough for a map 5x that size... In fact 12 vs 12 feels... underpopulated as it is.



Thats huge :o But, where did this info come from? I've been reading tons of forum post since I got into the beta, and I've been reading every announcement for the past 4 or 5 months. Not sure how i could've missed something like that. If they are planning to have maps that large, I'm going to guess their player cap is going to be far beyond 48 players.

The initial player cap might be 24v24 or 48v48 but that'll grow constantly. With each update it'll grow a bit more.
This is also something they'd promissed.

Links..?

Oh really? Hmm, I would've thought a feature like that would definitely be worth testing in beta, rather than putting into the game after launch. It would be a huge selling point I would think.

Oh really? Hmm, I would've thought a feature like that would definitely be worth testing in beta, rather than putting into the game after launch. It would be a huge selling point I would think.

That would be rather difficult. Over the past weekend I only saw aroudn 500 players max on both the US and EU servers. With such low numbers you don't have enough players to test matches with 128 players. You could only run about 4-5 matches at once.

Also, with 64 player teams you really HAVE to communicate. As communication is still very buggy, I don't think the beta is ready for such battles.
But I'm waiting patiently.

Well maybe they will let us test it and then shrink it back down to 24v24 at release.

I saw around 3000 people online during the first beta weekend, when they were giving out keys in PS Home. I think that was also the weekend the Merc Pack launched. Roughly 2000 of the people playing were in [US] Plateaus Skirmish.

Over the past weekend we got the IGN dudes. I was expecting much higher numbers but they were actually quite low. Dunno what happend but those were the latest numbers.

We still got over 1M kills though!

Nah I've only been in the beta for 3 weeks, so I've only seen Plateaus and Communication.

[quote=Veigar Mordekaiser]I posted this in a thread titled "Killzone", but I'm not sure it would attract much attention there, as these forums are not for Killzone :P

I would like to see a massive game mode, with HUGE teams, say 128 vs 128, like MAG, possibly even larger teams if CCP could make it happen (knowing them, anything is possible) The gameplay could be dynamic, it wouldn't be the same game mode through the entire match. Apparently Killzone 2 had something like this, as I read in that other post that gave me this idea. Anyway, here we are, lets hear some feedback for this!





i made the killzone thread "killzone" thank u for clering it up for every one and making this new thead.

They're only testing 64v64 internally.
That means there are days when 128 devs are busy playing instead of working on our updates.

Lazy devs! Get to work on my updates!

That would be rather difficult. Over the past weekend I only saw aroudn 500 players max on both the US and EU servers. With such low numbers you don't have enough players to test matches with 128 players. You could only run about 4-5 matches at once.

It would be nice if there were no limits on the number of players per match, but there's no real way for hardware to be able to handle that. :/

It would be nice if there were no limits on the number of players per match, but there's no real way for hardware to be able to handle that. :/



What? I don't care about hisec carebear matches. I care about matches that actually matter for something. If DUST is going to tie into sov and someone attacking my territory has 16 people and we have 30, then there's an artificial handicap in their favor (assuming it's a 16v16 match like the current skirmishes).

We are talking about CCP here, it may well be possible. If this were infinity ward or something I would see the limitations... but this is CCP. I mean, look at Burn Jita, when that happened, the dedicated server resources to that sector so that immense player counts could be possible. I don't see why they couldn't do the same with Dust. Say that two of the largest Corps in EVE get in a fight over some particularly valuable planet, perhaps they would dedicate resources to lift the boundaries of the districts, and make the entire planet one huge map for the duration of the war. That would be kind of cool.

I really am excited to see what CCP can do with this, if they are already testing 128 players. I remember reading that the most the Unreal 2 engine could handle was 48, so the fact that they are already working past that is good news to me.

I hadn't thought of anything like that, I wonder what CCP has in store for that type of situation.

That's easy, you capture the other undefended districts while they are busy with you. Same way any major alliance will keep its planets. A group of 'l33t' kdr players about 12-24 strong will attack a planet, get stuck in one district while the major alliance captures all the other districts by the time the match is over, rendering any further assault meaningless. The defenders could pretty much just give you the district and recap it after you leave. xD

They could do this in militia gear and just chill for the match in the war room while one guy plays hide and seek.

The issue isn't so much with the servers. It's with the local PS3 hardware. Even (almost all) PCs would have a hell of a time trying to render a ton of DUSTbunnies, HAVs, LAVs, etc. all at once.

I just had a random thought, though. We don't know how many districts there are going to be in each planet or exactly how taking one over is gonna work. You might be able to overwhelm the enemy by maxing out your side's capacity on every district leaving the enemy stretched thin or concentrated in one area.

I can see semi-scripted fights in the future. The most obvious ones would probably tie in with the Incursions we already have in Eve. Eve players can fight Sansha's Nation Revenants and Nightmares in orbit while Dust players defend or take back cities that The Nation has started kidnapping/assimilating. Dust players could fight for or against The Nation depending on player choice. This way both sides aren't just fighting NPCs, but players as well.

The thing is though that you'll need almost 4x the corp members that the maps can handle in order to fill one side of the battle. So if the map cap is 32x32 then you should have about 128 members and this is because not all of them will be on when you want to go into battle. This is of course if you want to be in a corp and do null sec combat and get those much higher rewards.

That would be awesome. I liked the Sansha events they did for that release, but it felt a little hollow from the EVE side of things because there was no real interaction with the Sansha "drop ships" that were abducting people.

There could a whole range of Sansha missions in DUST: PvE skirmish type missions where you are trying to stop a Sansha abduction ship instead of an MCC; PvP versions of that with players on both sides; and longer campaigns where the Nation is trying to invade a planet.

I don't know how many players they will be able to shove into one battle, but they have said that the null sec battles will not be numbers balanced, which to me implies that they have planned large enough matches that one side might not be able to fill out their quota. Maybe I'm reading too much into it though. But my feeling is that these matches will be only limited by the number of players CCP figures out how to cram in one battleserver without making the hamsters go on strike. Each team can bring up to half that number...but if you can't bring all you are allowed and the other team can...too bad for you.

As for the hisec battles...I don't know what they have planned for those, but if you zoom out on any of the maps, the red "unsafe" areas are probably 4 to 6 times the size of the "safe" areas...but those areas are there, and can be opened up any time the devs decide to do so. Just not a whole lot of reason to do so when the matches are 12 vs 12. The biggest match we have had yet in the beta, which is not in this build anymore, was 16 vs 16. I don't know if everyone has noticed that...everyone keeps saying 24 vs 24, but 24 is the maximum total number of players per match right now.