I just discovered that the best forge gun does 1500 damage! The most powerful tank gun only does 1350. The forge gun cools down in 2.5 secs, it takes the same tank gun 3 secs. If this remains in the game, when everyone has leveled up forge gun proficiency, tanks are going to be unusable! I think the damage is going to need adjustment.

Marauders also get a base 1.5x turret multiplier, and has the entire chassis worth of health to back it up

EDIT; A well-tanked Sagaris can get close to 15k EHP.

EDIT; EDIT; Also, don't forget that damage types are going to play a role in damage dealt. Forge Gun damage might not be as effective against tanks as another tank... or... something...

Well I have experienced this weapon first hand... it destroys my tanks in two shots even with a heavy shield booster. And they get me from across the map... cant even see the person firing the gun!

Then there are tank skills, turret skills, and the fact that the tank has infinate ammo and is... well, a tank.
I hit you with my Ishikune Assault Forge, you take about a sixth of your effect hit points.
You hit me with your Railgun-L, and your Missile gunners, and I'm so much chunky salsa. Plus, the railgun is way more accurate and can actually hit a man sized target on demand.

If you are driving a Soma or Sica, a free tank, and complaining about getting two-shotted by something that costs one million SP, you need to think a tad on what you're doing.

Even if it were a free tank... which it is not... I have a modded sica... it is rediculous that any hand held weapon can two shot it... especially as it cost something like 2 million sp to get just this far with the tank. I have about a million sp just for the turret upgrades... so yeah it is a bit annoying

Then there are tank skills, turret skills, and the fact that the tank has infinate ammo and is... well, a tank.
I hit you with my Ishikune Assault Forge, you take about a sixth of your effect hit points.
You hit me with your Railgun-L, and your Missile gunners, and I'm so much chunky salsa. Plus, the railgun is way more accurate and can actually hit a man sized target on demand.

Even if it were a free tank... which it is not... I have a modded sica... it is rediculous that any hand held weapon can two shot it... especially as it cost something like 2 million sp to get just this far with the tank. I have about a million sp just for the turret upgrades... so yeah it is a bit annoying

Actually you were one of the last people I played against... you had something like a 6 k/d ratio. Obviously not too hard for you... all Im saying is that once more people have this gun it will be nearly impossible to use a tank... right now you are only one of a select few who have this weapon...

A sica is the militia body (the free one, your mods may not be free, but the body is), it's not very good (in terms of hp, CPU, and PG which the latter 2 allow you to equip more/better modules). Also, since you've only put about 2m SP into it, and 1m of that is into turrets, you don't have much to keep you alive. You're running what, a lot of tier 1 modules? If you get a prototype fitted tank, it can stand up to a prototype forge gun 1v1 without breaking a sweat. They'll ruin your low fit tank, but once you get a better body and start slapping better modules on it, you'll see that a single forge isn't really a giant threat. It'll still kill you if you stay there and let it, but in no way is it a 2-shot to a properly fitted tank.

If there's a lot of forges on the other team, good, tanks should die. But getting 2-shot means you don't have a very good tank in terms of how good it could be, and you're likely just lacking in skills and not able to equip the better mods. I've put about 10m SP into mine, others I know have put even more. A prototype forge takes off about 15% of my armor or so (on the Surya, the armor-heavy one), and my armor repairer can essentially outheal all of its damage while it's running.

EDIT; A well-tanked Sagaris can get close to 15k effective shield hp.

a guarding tank, is soon a dead tank.

This is the thing about HAVs. Sagarises and Suryas can take the kind of punishment that I think doesn't make any kind of sense. If somebody drops three remote explosives on my roof while his friends are hammering on me with forge guns and swarm launchers, I should explode. Not slaughter them all to a man. Sure, it felt all kinds of invincible badass to do that, but it makes me worry that these things aren't quite balanced.

A higly fitted shield tanking Sagaris is superior to a highly armour tanked Surya, I'm still suspecting that the Surya aren't receiving all the bonuses it should from armour hardeners. But neither are indestructible. Far from it. Lately I'm losing a Surya about every second round, perhaps a little more often. Mine is not an exclusive tank though, I've put quite a bit in DPS as well, taking away from the tank buffer. Damage mods and armour modules uses the same slots.

Cobalt sorry to tell you but yea basically its just a "bravo the HAV now knows your around"

The other night, I took over a friendly player's Sagaris after he was gunned down while it was being delivered. I was JUST able to hop into it before an enemy player finished hacking it.

I spent literally the rest of the round parked by A, and despite the other team having two drop uplinks on the roof of the building and throwing themselves into the meat grinder for the rest of the match, including plenty of other HAVs, I was still there at round's end.

We actually lost that round because the other side held B and C, and the pressure just would not stop coming on A. I must have sat there for ten or fifteen minutes in this thing, with two gunners, in the middle of a rain of swarm rockets, forge shots and AV Grenades, and I don't think the shields ever dropped below 30%.

really high-scoring round for me, and I didn't die even once. My K/D ratio at the end must have been something like 25-0.

This is the thing about HAVs. Sagarises and Suryas can take the kind of punishment that I think doesn't make any kind of sense. If somebody drops three remote explosives on my roof while his friends are hammering on me with forge guns and swarm launchers, I should explode. Not slaughter them all to a man. Sure, it felt all kinds of invincible badass to do that, but it makes me worry that these things aren't quite balanced.

I just discovered that the best forge gun does 1500 damage! The most powerful tank gun only does 1350. The forge gun cools down in 2.5 secs, it takes the same tank gun 3 secs. If this remains in the game, when everyone has leveled up forge gun proficiency, tanks are going to be unusable! I think the damage is going to need adjustment.

I'm seeing a bunch of people acting all nice and all, but I'm gonna lay it down for you.


Your tank is absolutely sh*t.

Our forge guns shall blot out the sun.

You see that sniper? He can kill me, but not you.

Actually you were one of the last people I played against... you had something like a 6 k/d ratio. Obviously not too hard for you... all Im saying is that once more people have this gun it will be nearly impossible to use a tank... right now you are only one of a select few who have this weapon...

I just discovered that the best forge gun does 1500 damage! The most powerful tank gun only does 1350. The forge gun cools down in 2.5 secs, it takes the same tank gun 3 secs. If this remains in the game, when everyone has leveled up forge gun proficiency, tanks are going to be unusable! I think the damage is going to need adjustment.