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Grimmiers 7	Posted - 2012.07.04 12:12:00 - [61] - Quote I've never been this confused about nothing since they found the higg particle.
Stupid Drunk1 Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 96	Posted - 2012.07.04 12:12:00 - [62] - Quote & They have more in common with goon then they think, and GOONs are more hardcore to their own members. GF will single out examples to us for whatever if they do something dumb, they will team kill, apply exiles, punishments to force others to learn fast so they dont become a laughing stock, its like canabalism but not, they feed on hate. They dont spare the rod to keep others in line.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 437	Posted - 2012.07.04 12:17:00 - [63] - Quote zerkin gerend wrote: someone tell me what this is all about Nobodies who think they can be somebody by posting blogs about their mancrus^W super-important non-mutual declaration of important space war against one of the most well known space evil alliances in EVE. And everyone gave much fucks.
PeopleCheatingInBeta Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.04 12:45:00 - [64] - Quote I think I missed something somewhere that was important but can someone clarify something for me? What are all these replies about that EVE players can attack a planet with their ships while a game is in session? I thought this was an FPS not a space sim? Could anyone give more info on this or tell me where the devs posted this information I definitely missed it somewhere, thanks to all who reply.
Norbar Recturus Algintal Core Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2012.07.04 12:51:00 - [65] - Quote I don't understand why there's this giant "anti-goon" campaign in the first place. I play EVE and I stay out of Goonspace. The universe is realistically too big for them to chase me around every system I frequent without over-extending themselves into territory they are not welcome in. I anticipate that DUST will be the same way. The EVE universe is a giant self-regulating sandbox: if someone with a near-infinite supply of ISK decided they wanted to corner the high-sec missile market in Caldari space they would never accomplish that task because SOMEONE would do direct sales to players as it would then be the advantageous thing to do. Even if that didn't happen, players can train up manufacturing skills and make them on their own. The amount of effort required to "bust" the market in any given commodity in a relatively moderate amount of space is pretty much unattainable and even if attained, is certainly unsustainable over long periods of time. So let's say that you try and bust Goonswarm. Do you realize that you'd then be fighting every single merc in the game? Do you truly not understand how much ISK they have? I promise you that if you tried to get things off the ground in low/null sec, and they REALLY did not like you that you would exist for maybe a day on any given planet. Dangle a 50MM completion contract over my head and I'll kill anyone for any reason in game. To clarify: I don't care if you're a goon, a merc, a dolphin, or whatever. I am a gun for hire. I go where the money is and have no political connections [u]whatsoever[u]. Would things be easier if I had a planet of my own to do stuff? Maybe, but I'll contract that management out. Do what you're good at, that's what my Dad used to say... and I'm quite proficient when it comes to fragging idiots, not so much with running planets. TL;DR Version: Stop posting propaganda and trying to suck people into your campaign to pick a fight with the largest, most well funded, nihilistic corporation in EVE. It is not only a pointless battle that you won't win, but is also unprofitable, and personal. Disguising yourself behind the anonymity of the internet and multiple accounts (Nameless 514 is Zion Shad if you haven't figured it out yet) is a terrible thing, especially when it's done with the intention of suckering people in to your cause. When this game goes live I will hold no enmity towards you... but if the money is good I will take every pleasure in wiping you off the servers.
PeopleCheatingInBeta Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.04 13:01:00 - [66] - Quote Was hoping for an answer to my question but no replies yet. I thought the devs clearly stated that : 1. EVE players cannot transfer their ISK over to DUST 514 2. DUST 514 is a completely separate game from EVE - which equates to EVE players not being able to bombard planets with anything they have from EVE into DUST 514 as it is an FPS not space sim, completely different game
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders Red Rock Consortium 296	Posted - 2012.07.04 13:09:00 - [67] - Quote PeopleCheatingInBeta wrote: Was hoping for an answer to my question but no replies yet. I thought the devs clearly stated that : 1. EVE players cannot transfer their ISK over to DUST 514 2. DUST 514 is a completely separate game from EVE - which equates to EVE players not being able to bombard planets with anything they have from EVE into DUST 514 as it is an FPS not space sim, completely different game It's not a completely separate game. Eventually pilots and mercs will be in the same corps and alliances. Bombardment will be performed by pilots which will most likely result in fleet fights.
Threvis Valan Doomheim 40	Posted - 2012.07.04 13:20:00 - [68] - Quote heard zion shad was the dusters guy harmon as well.
Maken Tosch 263	Posted - 2012.07.04 13:54:00 - [69] - Quote I'm pretty confident that the Eve players will surely help Dust expand like they did with Eve. Knowing them personally, they will jump at the opportunity of being the first to fire their guns for an orbital strike. Considering that battleships and dreads will be used in this and that such ships are common in fleet battles, there is no doubt that those pod pilot will feel more happy to have a greater purpose. In this case, at least for the Dust mercs who are doing contracts that take them into low-sec or null-sec, there will be no doubt that they will know that there are more than 32 players on the battlefield when they see that they have a 500-800 ship support fleet battling a 500-800 ship enemy fleet high above their heads. Planets are of importance to Eve power blocs that rely on them for supplying some of the fuel for Player-Owned Structures (POS) which are important for operating research labs for invention as well as assembly arrays for the production of supercapitals. POSes are also important for maintaining the operation of Jump bridges that allow fleets of ships to traverse through a dozen star systems in a single jump, thus cutting travel time by more than half. To any corporation and alliance, time is money after all. When Planetary Interaction (PI) was first introduced in the Tyrannis Expansion of Eve, players didn't think it would work. But as time went on and as savvy industrialists studied the design of PI production (after various iterations and hotfixes by CCP), it became evident that PI will play a crucial role in cutting down cost of maintaining and manufacturing a POS. In fact, a single player with enough planets and patience can produce a single POS from planetary interaction alone with the exception of having to purchase a few units of capital construction parts straight from the market. I have tried this before and I was surprised by how easy it was. If you have two accounts and three alts each and with a dedicated hauler, you can produce a single POS rather quickly if you spread the production chains across multiple characters. It's complex to manage as I had to do a lot of calculating and preparations, but it is doable and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only player doing this. This is assuming you are producing from planets in high-sec. In low-sec or null-sec, the resources are more plentiful per planet and therefore much easier and faster to produce and supply a POS. PI is also used for the production of POS modules such as labs, assembly arrays, shield modules, and much more including (drum roll, please) a Player-Owned Customs Office (POCO) which are deployed and anchored by players over low-sec and null-sec planets after the NPC customs offices have been destroyed to help bypass the import/export tax and instead pass the tax and control it against other PI users who want a piece of the pie you made. Of course, CCP hasn't been clear so far as to how Dust mercs will affect the PI structures (command centers, harvesters, processors, etc.) if the battles are going to be over districts. CCP, can you please elaborate on this?
PeopleCheatingInBeta Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.04 14:16:00 - [70] - Quote [/quote] It's not a completely separate game. Eventually pilots and mercs will be in the same corps and alliances. Bombardment will be performed by pilots which will most likely result in fleet fights. [/quote] Well this will definitely change my opinion of DUST. Granted I don't know really anything about EVE other than when I tried the beta before it's release it had the worse keyboard control that I ever seen in a game, which is why I didn't test it long, was an utter mess. So going off what you said and some others, we can be involved in a battle on a planet and some EVE player in the biggest ship can just come along and blow our planet up while we are in the middle of a game session? What's the point of this being an FPS game if they allow that kind of stupid game integration? That will kill this title fast as non EVE players will ditch it.

uruz7 fish FDF Industries Hedonistic Imperative 108	Posted - 2012.07.04 14:32:00 - [71] - Quote PeopleCheatingInBeta wrote: It's not a completely separate game. Eventually pilots and mercs will be in the same corps and alliances. Bombardment will be performed by pilots which will most likely result in fleet fights. Well this will definitely change my opinion of DUST. Granted I don't know really anything about EVE other than when I tried the beta before it's release it had the worse keyboard control that I ever seen in a game, which is why I didn't test it long, was an utter mess. So going off what you said and some others, we can be involved in a battle on a planet and some EVE player in the biggest ship can just come along and blow our planet up while we are in the middle of a game session? What's the point of this being an FPS game if they allow that kind of stupid game integration? That will kill this title fast as non EVE players will ditch it. there will be structures on the planets as well that can shoot back at the ships in space shooting you. The whole point of Dust as well as Eve is to expand the world of New Eden, where both eve and dust take place. yes they are two seperate games, yes they interact together. Dust is geared towards a type of player that will eventually look beyond kdr's and single matches, it will be for players who can see the whole scope of it all, picture second life with spaceships, guns, soldiers and tanks, in a vastly larger area than second life is. As an eve player, I love the new possibilities this will open up for me to be immersed in New Eden, for my son who is a console gamer, its a drop ship party and a countdown till dad is floating above the match helping him out from the laptop. Dust isn't a full fps, its an mmo, with fps mechanics, that is going to be offered for free, with very limited rules.
Jin J'Rayle D3ath D3alers RISE of LEGION 60	Posted - 2012.07.04 15:14:00 - [72] - Quote PeopleCheatingInBeta wrote: Well this will definitely change my opinion of DUST. Granted I don't know really anything about EVE other than when I tried the beta before it's release it had the worse keyboard control that I ever seen in a game, which is why I didn't test it long, was an utter mess. So going off what you said and some others, we can be involved in a battle on a planet and some EVE player in the biggest ship can just come along and blow our planet up while we are in the middle of a game session? What's the point of this being an FPS game if they allow that kind of stupid game integration? That will kill this title fast as non EVE players will ditch it. The game mechanic will not allow just any old EVE ship to come and bombard the planet. It will involve the interchange of launch codes from the ground team plus a target designation before a ship can launch a bombardment. See the DUST keynote at EVE Fanfest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRnH1dwpkpU&feature=plcp It starts around 20:51
PeopleCheatingInBeta Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.07.04 15:16:00 - [73] - Quote Ah thank you uruz7 fish and Jin J'Rayle, you are the first ones to reply that has cleared this up for me, now I understand. Well hopefully the EVE players in their biggest ships don't/can't ruin the DUST experience I'm all for that. It would be a most unfair advantage that can/will deter many non EVE players if EVE players are able and will ruin DUST. It's just my two cents but I will see how the devs integrate the whole experience, I'm still excited about the game but when/if it becomes not fun anymore and just a big headache then it's time to find another game. Thanks again for your replies.
uruz7 fish FDF Industries Hedonistic Imperative 108	Posted - 2012.07.04 15:29:00 - [74] - Quote PeopleCheatingInBeta wrote: Ah thank you uruz7 fish and Jin J'Rayle, you are the first ones to reply that has cleared this up for me, now I understand. Well hopefully the EVE players in their biggest ships don't/can't ruin the DUST experience I'm all for that. It would be a most unfair advantage that can/will deter many non EVE players if EVE players are able and will ruin DUST. It's just my two cents but I will see how the devs integrate the whole experience, I'm still excited about the game but when/if it becomes not fun anymore and just a big headache then it's time to find another game. Thanks again for your replies. Alot of the fun from eve comes from screwing over people, weather its screwing up their markets, scamming them, destroying the fleet with your fleet, infiltrating their corp and stealing some/all assets, etc. The key will be to also be successful in that portion of the game as well as being able to fulfill your contractual obligations, being able to not fall prey to greed so you get scammed (saw someone doing the nigerian prince scam in a system the other day and he made a couple of billion off it), thinking outside the box for tactics, and having a team you can trust. I suggest looking for a corp as soon as its implemented maybe even sooner that fits on how you want to play dust (rpg, kdr, esports, etc. New Eden at times seems more like a social experiment than anything else, and some days it makes me cringe, others, it reminds me why i love the game :)
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 967	Posted - 2012.07.04 15:37:00 - [75] - Quote I love this thread! F**k goons, Jeffraider was right all along. I can see clearly now. :popcorn:
Max Trichomes Quantum Kittens Syndicate 68	Posted - 2012.07.04 16:07:00 - [76] - Quote Dewie Cheecham wrote: Why hate the goons? They are a great source of entertainment in EVE. I don't really hate anyone, especially not someone on the internet that I don't even really know. But I will openly admit I don't like them very much. Same for TEST. Now I will be the first to say hulkageddon is quite a bit of fun, and does truly improve all of EVE IMO (I have never suicide ganked anyone, I am in a anti-pirate corp). But let's be real here, hulkageddon was not pushed so hard to promote fun or 'sponsor emergent gameplay', it was pushed to put isk in Goon's pocket. Over 50% the cost of a Hulk is technetium, and we all know who controls the game's technetium supply. Although there are plenty of cool people in both TEST and Goons, the corps on a whole welcome scummy, crappy people with open arms. That means there are lots more crappy people in both corps than most corps in EVE. A lot of Goons and testies don't play to win, but play to make others lose. Going around trying to 'harvest tears' does not create an enjoyable game. People who gain joy simply but causing others unhappiness are bad people, regardless if its in a game. I am competitive as all hell and I play to win, but not just to see others lose. They have the sportsmanship of a 12year old. Most people get in a fight they say GF after, Goons get in a fight they talk mad sh*t. Plus they usually handle themselves like 12 year olds on the forums, which is why I assume a few of the decent Goon posters hide their corp on the forums. Also the recruitment scams TEST like to run are scummy as hell. Decent people can't do that to other people, not even in a video game. It may be silly but people are quite emotionally invested in their internet Eve items, especially when its taken them 5,6,7+ years to collect. To steal everything you can, up to everything they own if they're real dumb, in one swoop is not cool. It has never happened to me, but I have to assume that causes some real life emotional distress. Never would I say you shouldn't kill people. I totally support killing anything anybody undocks in. Nothing better then getting a juicy hauler, or a faction fitted something. What I do not support is stealing everything someone owns under the false pretense of being allies. Now the victim has nothing left for me to blow up in pew pew. How can taking combatants off the battlefield for everyone, just to give one of the richest alliances in the game even more isk be considered a good thing. You know as well as I there is never enough people to blow up. EVE can still be a cold, dark, and cruel universe without being a cesspool. And before you say it, nope I am not mad. Never been scammed. I just don't think decent people can cause that much unnecessary unhappiness to another, even in a video game. You are no better than a real life thief that is too lazy to get a job. You want large sums of isk speculate the market like the intelligent Eve billionaires, instead of your dumb ass thievery. It takes a scummy person to pray on those less intelligent than themselves (I am not calling TESTies intelligent, just their prey are really really dumb.) That is why I am all for taking Goons and Co. down. I can not do it from EVE because I cannot form 400+man fleets with Titan support. If I can help do it Dust-side, you better believe I am going to.
Peter Hanther Dead Six Initiative 39	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:05:00 - [77] - Quote This seems to be actually a minor thing that some people wish was a large full on feud. Thus seem to have dedicated their posting career to fanning the little ember in hopes that it becomes a fire.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:15:00 - [78] - Quote I so desperately want to take down the almighty neckbeards.
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.07.04 17:46:00 - [79] - Quote EvE players are always so happy to refuse a helping hand... Dust allows single man mining ops, who normally PvP through trade, to say "here's 20 mil, go annoy goons or test or whatever." We don't know how Sov will work when Dust hits 0.0 for the first time yet though. Why the GOONS? Because they have a name! A cool name at that. They are proud to be goons! I don't like their mentality, but if I joined EvE 3 weeks ago I would of joined them (probably). They put themselves out there, unlike so many cowardly corps/alliances. I'd have joined them because I don't know anyone. And I'd get scammed probs and go with the "I quit now. For real!" attitude. So why mess with the goons? They are strong. That makes for good fights. They are rich. That makes for good profit. They are cunning (the important ones) which means we can learn. I cant see anyone denting their ISK though. Just a side note, saw a thread on R&B alliance, with their constant war. That looks like fun too :) TL:DR version. Messing with goons might be dumb, but it will be fun, and good experience. I'm down with fighting funny guys :)
OnsIaught Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2012.07.04 18:00:00 - [80] - Quote Goonswarm is ***** made.

Regis Mark V 249	Posted - 2012.07.04 18:09:00 - [81] - Quote Whats a goon to goblin?
Phantomnom Bragian Order Amarr Empire 505	Posted - 2012.07.04 18:45:00 - [82] - Quote OH MY GOD STOP IMPLICATING ME FOR THIS I DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING, but hell I'm here now so I might as well. Count me in.
PEEEEEEETREEEEEEEEEEEEEE Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 781	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:00:00 - [83] - Quote Phantomnom wrote: OH MY GOD STOP IMPLICATING ME FOR THIS I DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING, but hell I'm here now so I might as well. Count me in. thats the spirit!
Kaeralli Sturmovos KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 117	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:06:00 - [84] - Quote xprotoman23 wrote: Anybody that is truly interested in making legitimate moves to take down the goonswarm and any other major alliance that is worth taking out message me on PSN. just saying that small group of ppl mentioned by the OP dont even make up .0001% of goons or even their allies. if u think you will even put a dent in... A) your brain damaged B) hope your dealer has enough coke C) hope your dealer's dealer has enough coke and then there still wouldnt be an asset left to defend. theres no win in this senario at all...
Adun Red Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 57	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:07:00 - [85] - Quote It was only a matter of time before Goons and clones propaganda arrives
xprotoman23 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1452	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:10:00 - [86] - Quote OnsIaught wrote: Goonswarm is ***** made. Whats a goon to a goblin?
Tony Calif Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2002	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:28:00 - [87] - Quote I'm also interested because of what I've read of BoB. Was there the same feeling of "you'll never dent them" during the first and second great wars? (yeah so relating this to the 2 biggest wars probably in all of computer game history might be a bit wild, but I'm interested because everyone says no point messing with the swarm).
uruz7 fish FDF Industries Hedonistic Imperative 108	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:40:00 - [88] - Quote Tony Calif wrote: I'm also interested because of what I've read of BoB. Was there the same feeling of "you'll never dent them" during the first and second great wars? (yeah so relating this to the 2 biggest wars probably in all of computer game history might be a bit wild, but I'm interested because everyone says no point messing with the swarm). I spent some time with MM fighting bob and bob pets down in null, they did feel very invincible and it took quite a bit of effort to deal with them, the bob pet corps on the other hand, were alot easier. The second time we took on BoB pets i was with vc, and our corp went from pirate pvp to straight null pvp, so we essentially took on the role of guerrilla warfare and found it pretty effective, but again, BoB weren't as easily disrupted. With this new war brewing, it will be interesting to see what the end results are, since i am sure there is alot of back room negotiations/espionage going on that no one really hears about which may seriously affect how some corps/alliances are in the end of it all
Zion Shad ZionTCD Legacy Rising 1620	Posted - 2012.07.04 19:43:00 - [89] - Quote This is a post about discussing a story that will soon release. It was found through a tweet post and it talks about us (DUST Mercs) it is not to personally attack one another for giving opinions about it. Constructive debiting is fine and logical, Please keep your posts on topic and check your personal luggage at the door. Will my action start a war? It might. Am I trying to? Simply preparing for a war doesnGÇÖt mean your looking for one. ZionShad is ZionShad always has been always will. Since Socom1 on PS2
Cains Deus Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 29	Posted - 2012.07.04 22:09:00 - [90] - Quote I am down for a war, and why not go for the biggest baddest bully on the yard? I have nothing to lose i am immortal. If i **** someone off and they put contracts out against me i will move to militia gear until they get their fill and move on. This is the way of Eve and it will be so in Dust.



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