DUST Search - Pokey Dravon's Criticism, A Response (video)

Kevall Longstride wrote:

Look if it helps, even though I suspect some of you will hate me for it, I still get to see some cool stuff from Rattati and the team on a regular basis. The latest just this week in fact.

These can be either screenshots, PowerPoint presentations, short videos, concept stuff. The point of me saying this (and it's not to get a rise from some of you) is to demonstrate that there is a very real sense of progression in the development of the game.

Now in answer to the inevitable crys of 'why aren't they showing us this stuff then?!', Rattati himself has said in the discord channel that when they have something ready to show they will. And that's the point. What I've seen is still very WiP, none is polished to the point where it might be ready for public consumption yet. With the still active members of the CPM being under NDA still, we can see this stuff early and give feedback.

And my feedback to you guys is that it isn't ready for you to see without risking false expectations without it having context.. Sucks I know but that's the situation as it is.

From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.

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Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 3908	Posted - 2016.10.23 14:32:00 - [31] - Quote Look if it helps, even though I suspect some of you will hate me for it, I still get to see some cool stuff from Rattati and the team on a regular basis. The latest just this week in fact. These can be either screenshots, PowerPoint presentations, short videos, concept stuff. The point of me saying this (and it's not to get a rise from some of you) is to demonstrate that there is a very real sense of progression in the development of the game. Now in answer to the inevitable crys of 'why aren't they showing us this stuff then?!', Rattati himself has said in the discord channel that when they have something ready to show they will. And that's the point. What I've seen is still very WiP, none is polished to the point where it might be ready for public consumption yet. With the still active members of the CPM being under NDA still, we can see this stuff early and give feedback. And my feedback to you guys is that it isn't ready for you to see without risking false expectations without it having context.. Sucks I know but that's the situation as it is. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
DUST Fiend 18817	Posted - 2016.10.23 14:41:00 - [32] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Look if it helps, even though I suspect some of you will hate me for it, I still get to see some cool stuff from Rattati and the team on a regular basis. The latest just this week in fact. These can be either screenshots, PowerPoint presentations, short videos, concept stuff. The point of me saying this (and it's not to get a rise from some of you) is to demonstrate that there is a very real sense of progression in the development of the game. Now in answer to the inevitable crys of 'why aren't they showing us this stuff then?!', Rattati himself has said in the discord channel that when they have something ready to show they will. And that's the point. What I've seen is still very WiP, none is polished to the point where it might be ready for public consumption yet. With the still active members of the CPM being under NDA still, we can see this stuff early and give feedback. And my feedback to you guys is that it isn't ready for you to see without risking false expectations without it having context.. Sucks I know but that's the situation as it is. I want to see new stuff probably more than most, and I'll flip **** more than most, but the sad truth is the game is still in early development. Typically, no one would see anything at this point. It's good to have you around, you were always one of the best if not the best CPM when it comes to relaying information. Thankfully I've taken up map editing (and possibly even quest making, oooh) in Fallout4, so I'm plenty occupied. I'm just wondering why the project has yet to be greenlit (at least publicly, unless I missed it) if there's such active development on it? Seems like something they'd want to mention, if literally nothing else. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 16091	Posted - 2016.10.23 15:07:00 - [33] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Look if it helps, even though I suspect some of you will hate me for it, I still get to see some cool stuff from Rattati and the team on a regular basis. The latest just this week in fact. Blink once if there were dinosaurs. I can't imagine blinking is against the NDA. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14253	Posted - 2016.10.23 18:03:00 - [34] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just wondering why the project has yet to be greenlit (at least publicly, unless I missed it) if there's such active development on it? Seems like something they'd want to mention, if literally nothing else. I'm of the the school of thought that the game was greenlit shortly after fanfest and there isn't really a need to announce it. Not that we wouldn't love to hear that kind of thing, but it's not really required to continue working. They rehired an employee who worked on DUST 514, CCP LogicLoop, specifically to work on project nova. That should tell you something. The only must-have announcement is the alpha and/or beta. My advice to you, playa.
byte modal 1074	Posted - 2016.10.23 18:05:00 - [35] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Laverne and Shirley??!! Showing your age now. Watcha you talkin about Willis? I am very likely the one of the oldest that played Dust. I will leave you with this: Frank Burns eats worms "Boooooooooogeerrrrr" kitten bacon taco (nom)
DUST Fiend 18817	Posted - 2016.10.23 18:28:00 - [36] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just wondering why the project has yet to be greenlit (at least publicly, unless I missed it) if there's such active development on it? Seems like something they'd want to mention, if literally nothing else. I'm of the the school of thought that the game was greenlit shortly after fanfest and there isn't really a need to announce it. Not that we wouldn't love to hear that kind of thing, but it's not really required to continue working. They rehired an employee who worked on DUST 514, CCP LogicLoop, specifically to work on project nova. That should tell you something. The only must-have announcement is the alpha and/or beta. I mean that's true, just CCP is pretty trigger happy when it comes to closing down projects, so seeing just a little formal commitment from Hilmar would be a nice sign. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 10589	Posted - 2016.10.24 04:54:00 - [37] - Quote Vlad Rostok wrote: Dragonmeballs wrote: I am very likely the one of the oldest that played Dust. I will leave you with this: Frank Burns eats worms If you're not over 50, then not one of the oldest. I played with several guys over 50 (as I am) and, IIRC, one dude over 60. My mom keeps telling me I was too old for videogames. It all started when I was 13, and she stands by her word today. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7963	Posted - 2016.10.24 13:11:00 - [38] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: clicky! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tby7AuQTjLM This is so cute. Makes me want to pinch your little Melinial cheak and pat you on the head. "There there, you aren't actually a Sensationalist, you just said a few Sensationalist things. We still like you. It's ok!" Sorry to be an ass, but the controversy here is so underwhelming that it barely qualifies as content. I agree with Pokey that some of what you said in your last video was Sensationalist, but it is easy to get a bit sensationalist when you are trying to make a commentary with so little information to work from. I would not characterize you personally as a Sensationalist based on your body of work. I just think you leaned a little that way in that one vid. You have a long long way to go to reach the heights of sensationalism reached by some of the DUST YouTubers that came before you. I have to say though, that if "Sensationalist" is the worst insult we are throwing around these days, then this is one dam friendly community! Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14254	Posted - 2016.10.24 13:32:00 - [39] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: You have a long long way to go to reach the heights of sensationalism reached by some of the DUST YouTubers that came before you. Anyone remember that time BAMM reported CCP was moving to Canada? Yeah... My advice to you, playa.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7963	Posted - 2016.10.24 13:45:00 - [40] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Laverne and Shirley??!! Showing your age now. I think that is the point. Everyone on here from Gen-X thinks he is overreacting and are probably a little bemused by the whole thing. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7963	Posted - 2016.10.24 13:47:00 - [41] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: You have a long long way to go to reach the heights of sensationalism reached by some of the DUST YouTubers that came before you. Anyone remember that time BAMM reported CCP was moving to Canada? Yeah... We do have Canadian Bacon... it was a obvious conclusion. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7963	Posted - 2016.10.24 13:54:00 - [42] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: but I grow frustrated when actual factual information is ignored in favor of speculation. If people would look up the facts before pulling wild-ass idiocy about CCP being actively malignant and deliberately farming the DUST players for tears to incite a riot I'd be less of an ashole. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be an ashole. just somewhat nicer. Honestly I think we should all be thrilled that people are still interested enough in this IP to be offended or angered by it. If CCP would just sticky a thread with all the information they've disseminated around the community it would probably go a long way towards chilling people out. I'm curious what is more relevant....the Discord chat for Project Nova, or the forums for a game that no longer exists... I have a vague idea what Twitter is, but what is Discord chat? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8751	Posted - 2016.10.24 13:59:00 - [43] - Quote Discord is a chat/voice client that is catered towards gamers. There is a fairly large group of vets in one of the Dust514 chats. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14254	Posted - 2016.10.24 14:13:00 - [44] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I have a vague idea what Twitter is, but what is Discord chat? Here is a link to the DUST Vets chat: https://discord.gg/VQBFaWu I promise it doesn't involve Eyes Wide Shut-style high society orgies. Do yourself a favor and stay out of #politics My advice to you, playa.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 7963	Posted - 2016.10.24 14:14:00 - [45] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just wondering why the project has yet to be greenlit (at least publicly, unless I missed it) if there's such active development on it? Seems like something they'd want to mention, if literally nothing else. I'm of the the school of thought that the game was greenlit shortly after fanfest and there isn't really a need to announce it. Not that we wouldn't love to hear that kind of thing, but it's not really required to continue working. They rehired an employee who worked on DUST 514, CCP LogicLoop, specifically to work on project nova. That should tell you something. The only must-have announcement is the alpha and/or beta. My understanding is that CCP is using a gated development process. That is, after each stage of development the game must pass a test (get through a "gate") before funding is approved for the next stage of development. Player feedback from the demo at Fanfest 2016 was a major gate (test), which Nova passed with flying colors. The only real criticism was that it did not feel enough like New Eden, and that is something that can fixed. So Nova development was given full support for the next stage of Development. The question is, how many more "Gates" are there before CCP will commit to releasing it? The final Green Light? Will they wait to see how fans react to the game at Fan Fest 2017? Or will they want to make the grand announcement at Fan Fest 2017? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14254	Posted - 2016.10.24 14:18:00 - [46] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Will they wait to see how fans react to the game at Fanfest 2017? Or will they want to make the grand announcement at Fanfest 2017? Rattati is running out of time to reach his originally stated goal of an alpha this year. We're nearing the holiday season and that means it will get progressively harder to get things done. If we do not have an alpha ready this year then I would put money on an announcement at FF 2017. Why? One silly reason: CCP marketing loves a big reveal. My advice to you, playa.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8751	Posted - 2016.10.24 14:39:00 - [47] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Will they wait to see how fans react to the game at Fanfest 2017? Or will they want to make the grand announcement at Fanfest 2017? Rattati is running out of time to reach his originally stated goal of an alpha this year. We're nearing the holiday season and that means it will get progressively harder to get things done. If we do not have an alpha ready this year then I would put money on an announcement at FF 2017. Why? One silly reason: CCP marketing loves a big reveal. You are correct. Though I would rather they take their time rather than rush it. I'd love to see something this year but not at the cost of quality. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13258	Posted - 2016.10.25 03:06:00 - [48] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: It's good to have you around, you were always one of the best if not the best CPM when it comes to relaying information. This is why I like having kevall around. He is often able to articulate concepts in a way which doesn't risk the NDA while providing real words that don't feel like someone talking to fill silence or making empty platitudes. I am much better at straightforward, functional discussions than this kind of thing and I tend to be the one who says the things no one wants to come out and say, or hear. I'm just waiting for the glorious moment that they say I can start talking. Then I probably won't shut up. But for now I'm happy to have kevall be the best at communicating. Because unless I can say something that doesn't risk the NDA and doesn't sound like empty platitudes, I'd rather keep my trap shut. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
General Vahzz 938	Posted - 2016.10.25 05:17:00 - [49] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: I am much better at straightfoward, functional discussions than this kind of thing and I tend to be the one who says the things no one wants to come out and say Like telling me to shut up when I permeate my fatuous poesy. You can call me a visionary
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13259	Posted - 2016.10.25 06:06:00 - [50] - Quote General Vahzz wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I am much better at straightfoward, functional discussions than this kind of thing and I tend to be the one who says the things no one wants to come out and say Like telling me to shut up when I permeate my fatuous poesy. Shut up Vahzz. no one wants to hear you elaborate on that topic. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8752	Posted - 2016.10.25 06:10:00 - [51] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: It's good to have you around, you were always one of the best if not the best CPM when it comes to relaying information. This is why I like having kevall around. He is often able to articulate concepts in a way which doesn't risk the NDA while providing real words that don't feel like someone talking to fill silence or making empty platitudes. I am much better at straightforward, functional discussions than this kind of thing and I tend to be the one who says the things no one wants to come out and say, or hear. I'm just waiting for the glorious moment that they say I can start talking. Then I probably won't shut up. But for now I'm happy to have kevall be the best at communicating. Because unless I can say something that doesn't risk the NDA and doesn't sound like empty platitudes, I'd rather keep my trap shut. Oh how I envy your NDA... EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
General Vahzz 938	Posted - 2016.10.25 06:19:00 - [52] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: General Vahzz wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: I am much better at straightfoward, functional discussions than this kind of thing and I tend to be the one who says the things no one wants to come out and say Like telling me to shut up when I permeate my fatuous poesy. Shut up Vahzz. no one wants to hear you elaborate on that topic. That period triggers me you pompous cow. You can call me a visionary
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13260	Posted - 2016.10.25 11:31:00 - [53] - Quote General Vahzz wrote: That period triggers me you pompous cow. ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I want to see if your head explodes. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.


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