DUST Search - Pokey Dravon's Criticism, A Response (video)

Heracles Porsche wrote:

Kevall Longstride wrote:

As I have explained before, the team for the Gunjack games is comparatively small. It Is first and for most a mobile phone game for a start. Using UE4 is very scaleable so porting it to PC and PS4 is also relatively easy. It's on rails Galaga style of gameplay also makes Dev simpler and most of its art assets are pre-existing from Eve meaning even that is not a roadblock.

Now, I suspect the mindset is in place and nothing I can say or do will change opinion on this but these are the facts.

Dev team for Nova bigger than Dev team for Gunjack. There's some cross Dev work because both games use UE4 obviously but that's about it.

End of discussion.

The Gunjack franchise is also proving to be a new revenue stream into the CCP coffers. Always a handy thing when developing other games.

Thanks for the Update Kevall. I haven't heard much official news out of the CPM, and I welcome new information on Nova's development, and certainly have no problem if it contradicts my previouslly established assumptions.

I realize NDA's make things tough, but if you can offer more information to the community, it will make the wait that much easier on all of us. Literally any additional information you can provide is welcome.

From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.

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Heracles Porsche Eternal Beings 736	Posted - 2016.10.21 22:55:00 - [1] - Quote clicky! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tby7AuQTjLM Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8744	Posted - 2016.10.22 04:19:00 - [2] - Quote If you're interested in having an actual debate on the issue at hand, would you like to come onto Biomassed this week and hash it out? EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 14250	Posted - 2016.10.22 07:47:00 - [3] - Quote I'm choosing not to address the "Pokey Dravon's Criticism" video, because it reeks of high school drama. Instead I will RE: "Gunjack 2 Announcement, and what it means for Project Nova"... TL;DR seems to be: Gunjack 2 took development resources from Project Nova. Gunjack and Gunjack 2 are CCP Shanghai side projects. The quote I read from CPM that attended fanfest was that Gunjack was something a small group of devs worked on between other tasks. I believe it was Kevall Longstride who said this, but I can't be sure as this was roughly a year ago. Point being, the amount of time and money spent on making these two games is negligible. The Gunjack IP isn't harming Project Nova's chances of being made. In fact, it is likely increasing those odds, which brings me to my next point... The Gunjack IP gives CCP Shanghai another source of revenue beside the Chinese EVE server. This is a good thing since a group of devs making money for CCP won't get shitcanned, you feel me? Project nova needs funding and I bet CCP would be more likely to loosen its purse strings if it has Gunjack bringing up its bottom line. In the video you basically say "Well pretty much all of CCP Shanghai's development resources have been going into Gunjack." And how exactly do you figure that? CCP does not release the size of their dev teams, their current tasks, or which projects are given priority right now. You are making a huge assumption with that statement and have no evidence to back it up. Studios sometimes work on multiple games concurrently. You also state work won't be done on Nova until end of next year. Dude... did you even reach out to the former CPM before making this video? They are speaking with CCP daily about Nova, CCP LogicLoop was rehired specifically to work on Nova and says so at least once every couple weeks. Work is going on right now, homie. And I want to stress that just because CCP is not communicating the current state of Project Nova that does not mean it is not in development. That doesn't mean I like the silence! Don't misunderstand -- I hate the silence and I believe it is hurting CCP in the long run. But it doesn't mean Nova is canceled. It just means CCP is absolute shite at PR, which is not a new revelation My advice to you, playa.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13255	Posted - 2016.10.22 08:29:00 - [4] - Quote Alright folks, false alarm, nothing useful to see here. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
Kevall Longstride Dust University Ivy League 3904	Posted - 2016.10.22 10:48:00 - [5] - Quote As I have explained before, the team for the Gunjack games is comparatively small. It Is first and for most a mobile phone game for a start. Using UE4 is very scaleable so porting it to PC and PS4 is also relatively easy. It's on rails Galaga style of gameplay also makes Dev simpler and most of its art assets are pre-existing from Eve meaning even that is not a roadblock. Now, I suspect the mindset is in place and nothing I can say or do will change opinion on this but these are the facts. Dev team for Nova bigger than Dev team for Gunjack. There's some cross Dev work because both games use UE4 obviously but that's about it. End of discussion. The Gunjack franchise is also proving to be a new revenue stream into the CCP coffers. Always a handy thing when developing other games. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 344	Posted - 2016.10.22 14:03:00 - [6] - Quote Let's assume the Gunjack effort is a side project for the Shaghi team and on occasion a little talent, from time to time, is siphoned off to meet project time line deadlines and the extent of Rattati's involvement is one of consultation and occasional review, meaning Nova devlopment is still running at full bore. The community (aka Salty Tryhards) is frustrated about the following: 1. We can only assume and guess what Nova what will look like compared to Dust in terms of assets and sophistication 2. We have no idea how long it will take the team to get Nova in a state where it might be approved to move forward 3. We have no idea of the odds it will get approved 4. The Dev leadership is fully aware of the relative thirst for news but has to remain tight-lipped because they all want to get a paycheck next week from CCP despite the urgent pleas from the community they be otherwise. Caldari in the streets, Amarr between the sheets
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 344	Posted - 2016.10.22 14:07:00 - [7] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: If you're interested in having an actual debate on the issue at hand, would you like to come onto Biomassed this week and hash it out? Wouldn't that be like a whole episode of Laverne and Shirley being devoted to Lenny and Squigy? Caldari in the streets, Amarr between the sheets
Kevall Longstride Dust University Ivy League 3905	Posted - 2016.10.22 19:45:00 - [8] - Quote Laverne and Shirley??!! Showing your age now. CPM 1&2 Member CEO of DUST University
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 345	Posted - 2016.10.22 21:22:00 - [9] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: Laverne and Shirley??!! Showing your age now. Watcha you talkin about Willis? I am very likely the one of the oldest that played Dust. I will leave you with this: Frank Burns eats worms Caldari in the streets, Amarr between the sheets
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13256	Posted - 2016.10.22 22:26:00 - [10] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: Laverne and Shirley??!! Showing your age now. Watcha you talkin about Willis? I am very likely the one of the oldest that played Dust. I will leave you with this: Frank Burns eats worms Holy God I'd forgotten that show, it's been so long. Gotta love 70's/80's sitcoms. No wait, no I don't. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.

Heracles Porsche Eternal Beings 736	Posted - 2016.10.22 23:23:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: If you're interested in having an actual debate on the issue at hand, would you like to come onto Biomassed this week and hash it out? Thank you for the invite Pokey, I'd be happy to come back on the show. I don't know if I can make it this coming Sunday, but I'd like to continue. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Vlad Rostok 514 to PS4 377	Posted - 2016.10.23 00:37:00 - [12] - Quote Dragonmeballs wrote: I am very likely the one of the oldest that played Dust. I will leave you with this: Frank Burns eats worms If you're not over 50, then not one of the oldest. I played with several guys over 50 (as I am) and, IIRC, one dude over 60.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 16090	Posted - 2016.10.23 00:44:00 - [13] - Quote Maybe we can just have a discussion of what the price of tea in China has to do with Nova. Or the release of the Nintendo Switch news. Or whether or not a Cubs-Indians world series will result in a paradox that ultimately will destroy the universe, and if that will cause a delay in Nova's development. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
Heracles Porsche Eternal Beings 736	Posted - 2016.10.23 02:10:00 - [14] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Maybe we can just have a discussion of what the price of tea in China has to do with Nova. Or the release of the Nintendo Switch news. Or whether or not a Cubs-Indians world series will result in a paradox that ultimately will destroy the universe, and if that will cause a delay in Nova's development. I know this is poking fun at me but I legitimately loled. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
Heracles Porsche Eternal Beings 736	Posted - 2016.10.23 02:18:00 - [15] - Quote Kevall Longstride wrote: As I have explained before, the team for the Gunjack games is comparatively small. It Is first and for most a mobile phone game for a start. Using UE4 is very scaleable so porting it to PC and PS4 is also relatively easy. It's on rails Galaga style of gameplay also makes Dev simpler and most of its art assets are pre-existing from Eve meaning even that is not a roadblock. Now, I suspect the mindset is in place and nothing I can say or do will change opinion on this but these are the facts. Dev team for Nova bigger than Dev team for Gunjack. There's some cross Dev work because both games use UE4 obviously but that's about it. End of discussion. The Gunjack franchise is also proving to be a new revenue stream into the CCP coffers. Always a handy thing when developing other games. Thanks for the Update Kevall. I haven't heard much official news out of the CPM, and I welcome new information on Nova's development, and certainly have no problem if it contradicts my previouslly established assumptions. I realize NDA's make things tough, but if you can offer more information to the community, it will make the wait that much easier on all of us. Literally any additional information you can provide is welcome. Videos Erry Day https://www.youtube.com/c/HeraclesPorsche
DUST Fiend 18814	Posted - 2016.10.23 03:46:00 - [16] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: As I have explained before, the team for the Gunjack games is comparatively small. It Is first and for most a mobile phone game for a start. Using UE4 is very scaleable so porting it to PC and PS4 is also relatively easy. It's on rails Galaga style of gameplay also makes Dev simpler and most of its art assets are pre-existing from Eve meaning even that is not a roadblock. Now, I suspect the mindset is in place and nothing I can say or do will change opinion on this but these are the facts. Dev team for Nova bigger than Dev team for Gunjack. There's some cross Dev work because both games use UE4 obviously but that's about it. End of discussion. The Gunjack franchise is also proving to be a new revenue stream into the CCP coffers. Always a handy thing when developing other games. Thanks for the Update Kevall. I haven't heard much official news out of the CPM, and I welcome new information on Nova's development, and certainly have no problem if it contradicts my previouslly established assumptions. I realize NDA's make things tough, but if you can offer more information to the community, it will make the wait that much easier on all of us. Literally any additional information you can provide is welcome. It's such a shame that CCP doesn't have the confidence in their ability to follow through with their word :/ Would be nice to read some dev blogs and see some progress, but just putting it out of your mind as best you can seems to be the best approach until further notice. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8747	Posted - 2016.10.23 04:01:00 - [17] - Quote Heracles Porsche wrote: Kevall Longstride wrote: As I have explained before, the team for the Gunjack games is comparatively small. It Is first and for most a mobile phone game for a start. Using UE4 is very scaleable so porting it to PC and PS4 is also relatively easy. It's on rails Galaga style of gameplay also makes Dev simpler and most of its art assets are pre-existing from Eve meaning even that is not a roadblock. Now, I suspect the mindset is in place and nothing I can say or do will change opinion on this but these are the facts. Dev team for Nova bigger than Dev team for Gunjack. There's some cross Dev work because both games use UE4 obviously but that's about it. End of discussion. The Gunjack franchise is also proving to be a new revenue stream into the CCP coffers. Always a handy thing when developing other games. Thanks for the Update Kevall. I haven't heard much official news out of the CPM, and I welcome new information on Nova's development, and certainly have no problem if it contradicts my previouslly established assumptions. I realize NDA's make things tough, but if you can offer more information to the community, it will make the wait that much easier on all of us. Literally any additional information you can provide is welcome. They're always available through the public Skype and Discord chats, I speak with many of them, as well as CCP developers, On a regular basis which is where I get all of my information. It's all public and available to everyone if you simple reach out and make the effort to talk with them. I know it seems to paint me as the "Boundless Optimist" and the "CCP White Knight" but it's not like I pull this stuff out of my ass. It's all based off of information given directly by those closest to the project. So I apologise if I was patronizing in my earlier response, but I grow frustrated when actual factual information is ignored in favor of speculation. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 13257	Posted - 2016.10.23 04:28:00 - [18] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: but I grow frustrated when actual factual information is ignored in favor of speculation. If people would look up the facts before pulling wild-ass idiocy about CCP being actively malignant and deliberately farming the DUST players for tears to incite a riot I'd be less of an ashole. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be an ashole. just somewhat nicer. Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
DUST Fiend 18814	Posted - 2016.10.23 04:37:00 - [19] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: but I grow frustrated when actual factual information is ignored in favor of speculation. If people would look up the facts before pulling wild-ass idiocy about CCP being actively malignant and deliberately farming the DUST players for tears to incite a riot I'd be less of an ashole. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be an ashole. just somewhat nicer. Honestly I think we should all be thrilled that people are still interested enough in this IP to be offended or angered by it. If CCP would just sticky a thread with all the information they've disseminated around the community it would probably go a long way towards chilling people out. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8747	Posted - 2016.10.23 04:50:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: but I grow frustrated when actual factual information is ignored in favor of speculation. If people would look up the facts before pulling wild-ass idiocy about CCP being actively malignant and deliberately farming the DUST players for tears to incite a riot I'd be less of an ashole. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be an ashole. just somewhat nicer. Honestly I think we should all be thrilled that people are still interested enough in this IP to be offended or angered by it. If CCP would just sticky a thread with all the information they've disseminated around the community it would probably go a long way towards chilling people out. I'm curious what is more relevant....the Discord chat for Project Nova, or the forums for a game that no longer exists... EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer

DUST Fiend 18814	Posted - 2016.10.23 05:02:00 - [21] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I'm curious what is more relevant....the Discord chat for Project Nova, or the forums for a game that no longer exists... I'm curious which has more traffic from people lightly to moderately interested in the game... I'm also curious what's so radical about a gaming company providing the already shared information about their game on their own site. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8747	Posted - 2016.10.23 05:17:00 - [22] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I'm curious what is more relevant....the Discord chat for Project Nova, or the forums for a game that no longer exists... I'm curious which has more traffic from people lightly to moderately interested in the game... I'm also curious what's so radical about a gaming company providing the already shared information about their game on their own site. Don't get me wrong man I wish I didn't have to do as much legwork as I do. I do it because I'm interested in the truth and because I try to take on a more journalistic role. However most people don't fit into that category so really the only thing that will put 99% of people's minds at ease is if CCP actually openly talks about it in a centralized location. It was foolish of me to think I could help improve morale as a random individual of the community. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18815	Posted - 2016.10.23 05:27:00 - [23] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I'm curious what is more relevant....the Discord chat for Project Nova, or the forums for a game that no longer exists... I'm curious which has more traffic from people lightly to moderately interested in the game... I'm also curious what's so radical about a gaming company providing the already shared information about their game on their own site. Don't get me wrong man I wish I didn't have to do as much legwork as I do. I do it because I'm interested in the truth and because I try to take on a more journalistic role. However most people don't fit into that category so really the only thing that will put 99% of people's minds at ease is if CCP actually openly talks about it in a centralized location. It was foolish of me to think I could help improve morale as a random individual of the community. Well we all know you can't improve my morale, it's a medical thing. At this point I just hope CCP knocks it out of the park with Nova since they seem to be so clearly distancing themselves from their original playerbase through the iron silence treatment. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8747	Posted - 2016.10.23 05:40:00 - [24] - Quote Eh yeah I know. Even so trying to cheer people up was how I dealt with my own feelings in regards to the game and whatnot. But I'm realizing it's pointless and I'm just aggrevating things and making myself look foolish, so I just need to stop. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18815	Posted - 2016.10.23 06:14:00 - [25] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Eh yeah I know. Even so trying to cheer people up was how I dealt with my own feelings in regards to the game and whatnot. But I'm realizing it's pointless and I'm just aggrevating things and making myself look foolish, so I just need to stop. Well hopefully you've learned to tune me out by now, you know I see the dark in every situation :p I'm sure there are plenty of people who appreciate what you do, even if they don't say so. I just want to go back to creating content for this IP so if CCP could hurry up and get something out that would be wonderful. Not saying I'll necessarily like what ultimately comes out, but having something on my rig would make me pretty happy, even if I hated it. Because I'm strange that way. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8748	Posted - 2016.10.23 06:24:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Eh yeah I know. Even so trying to cheer people up was how I dealt with my own feelings in regards to the game and whatnot. But I'm realizing it's pointless and I'm just aggrevating things and making myself look foolish, so I just need to stop. Well hopefully you've learned to tune me out by now, you know I see the dark in every situation :p I'm sure there are plenty of people who appreciate what you do, even if they don't say so. I just want to go back to creating content for this IP so if CCP could hurry up and get something out that would be wonderful. Not saying I'll necessarily like what ultimately comes out, but having something on my rig would make me pretty happy, even if I hated it. Because I'm strange that way. I hear you man, it'll be fun to create again once things pan out. You're a lovable douche and I'll be happy to work with you once the opportunity presents itself someday. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18816	Posted - 2016.10.23 06:28:00 - [27] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: You're a lovable douche I feel useful and cleanly, sanitary even. Thank you. I'm just excited to have this all behind us. From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 8748	Posted - 2016.10.23 06:37:00 - [28] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: You're a lovable douche I feel useful and cleanly, sanitary even. Thank you. I'm just excited to have this all behind us. Dust Fiend, providing a clean and uniquely fresh cleaning experience for even the oldest dusty cavities. EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
DUST Fiend 18817	Posted - 2016.10.23 11:39:00 - [29] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: You're a lovable douche I feel useful and cleanly, sanitary even. Thank you. I'm just excited to have this all behind us. Dust Fiend, providing a brisk and uniquely fresh cleaning experience for even the oldest dusty cavities. Our motto is "No crusty can beat our trusty dusty" From dust we rose through trials young as legions run through countless souls; resting dreams within the boundless nova.
Mobius Wyvern Night Theifs Curatores Veritatis Alliance 8472	Posted - 2016.10.23 14:30:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: You're a lovable douche I feel useful and cleanly, sanitary even. Thank you. I'm just excited to have this all behind us. Dust Fiend, providing a brisk and uniquely fresh cleaning experience for even the oldest dusty cavities. Our motto is "No crusty can beat our trusty dusty" That is disgusting and I love you both. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector



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