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One Eyed King
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2016.10.09 22:30:00 -
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What EVE link?
A few orbitals that hardly anyone used, because it was cumbersome and added little to the game play?
Or how you could have some sort of quasi ISK transfer that didn't make sense to either party?
Or maybe how we could talk to EVE pilots in Local Chat, which would mostly end up devolving into PC Master Race type insults?
I don't see how any of that added up to anything meaningful.
I am willing to be that had we had the option of giving all that up for some decent HD and not getting caught on ankle high ledges and invisible barriers in them thar hills, that the vast majority of people would have given up the link in a heartbeat.
Former CEO of the Land of the BIind.
Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
13240
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Posted - 2016.10.09 22:42:00 -
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I love how liberally people use the term: vaporware, as though it applies to games in early development which have not been given a promised release/alpha/beta date.
I guess the term must have greatly changed in usage from the glory days of yore when it was applied to games well past their promised release date.
Looking at you, shadowbane.
Yes, I am a Goon. No, I don't care about your spacepolitik.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
8612
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Posted - 2016.10.09 23:38:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: Dust would have been an adequate replacement, ported to PS4 or even PC. What they're proposing with NOVA is just not good enough. Tell me, what is your perception of what is proposed in Nova? Because I after speaking with various devs and CPM (and not just letting the stupid tech demo dictate my perception of the final product), Nova plans to encompass all of the meaningful parts of Dust, plus far more. I guess that depends on what you define as "meaningful". From what I've heard, they're not planning to reintroduce vehicles, for a start which I think was a meaningful part of the Dust experience. I didn't go for vehicles myself, but I find the concept of any form of combat meaningless without vehicles. I also find the EvE link meaningful, where many apparently don't. Without it, it's just another FPS to me. If anything they should have made the EvE link MORE rather than less. In short, I think what they had planned from the start for Dust would have been good, but as usual CCP got diverted from its plan by listening too much to the community, as far as I can see most of whom weren't that enamoured with EvE. And from the EvE side of it, they didn't want Dust either.... In any case, my concern is not what is PROPOSED for Nova. As far as I'm concerned it's likely never to see the light of day. Why would you believe that CCP would ever produce it? They are abysmal at doing what they say they will. Just a demo to show they can put a FPS on a spaceship doesn't mean they'll ever actually do it for real. So I suppose to answer your question correctly and truthfully, "What is your perception of what is proposed in Nova?" - it's just candy to keep those few of us still here interested while slowly we die off and get distracted by other things, rather than have us all blow up at the end of Dust which would be bad for PR. I don't honestly think they'll ever produce Nova. They're not interested in the few of us who survive other than how badly we can effect PR for the company. Nova doesn't use VR. Therefore it doesn't fit with CCP's current obsession. That's about the size of it for me. Edit: By the way, I don't look at what people say, but what they do, so what they SAY they're gonna do means little to me.
I'll give you that it sucks that we wont have vehicles but I'm also of the opinion that if it's not going to be done right (and it wasn't done right in Dust, particularly at the end) then I'd rather it not be done at all. Eventually I'd like to have them add in vehicles in a way that properly works, but until then I'm fine with it not being implemented and half assed.
As for EVE Link, most of the EVE link was meaningless or underutilized. Yeah orbitals were neat but ultimately it was out of place and clunky EVE side and never produced the level of combat that was actually interesting. It was a romantic notion sure, but ultimately trying to link the games 1:1 never worked properly nor did it provide sufficient incentive for EVE pilots.
I'd much rather have interaction between multiple battles within Nova, as that would provide a far more reasonable and interesting interplay than EVE ever provided. For example one Nova battle on an orbital satellite could be running at the same time as another battle on the planet below. Whatever team has primary control in the orbital station would allow their allies on the ground to call in orbitals. Its the same type of "Larger Universe" style but doesn't rely on another game to make it happen.
And to be fair, the concept of an economic link between the two games is far more likely to encourage multi-game corporations than orbital strikes ever did. Corps that can exist and work both sides of the market, EVE and Nova, are going to be at a far bigger advantage due to the ability to support each other in making money, than corps that tried to utilize orbital support.
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As for your final points, I can't really stop you from letting the bitterness get the best of you so I wont try to argue against the salt. That is what it is.
EVE: Phoenix - 'Rise Again' Trailer
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
1196
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Posted - 2016.10.10 12:38:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: Dust would have been an adequate replacement, ported to PS4 or even PC. What they're proposing with NOVA is just not good enough. Tell me, what is your perception of what is proposed in Nova? Because I after speaking with various devs and CPM (and not just letting the stupid tech demo dictate my perception of the final product), Nova plans to encompass all of the meaningful parts of Dust, plus far more. I guess that depends on what you define as "meaningful". From what I've heard, they're not planning to reintroduce vehicles, for a start which I think was a meaningful part of the Dust experience. I didn't go for vehicles myself, but I find the concept of any form of combat meaningless without vehicles. I also find the EvE link meaningful, where many apparently don't. Without it, it's just another FPS to me. If anything they should have made the EvE link MORE rather than less. In short, I think what they had planned from the start for Dust would have been good, but as usual CCP got diverted from its plan by listening too much to the community, as far as I can see most of whom weren't that enamoured with EvE. And from the EvE side of it, they didn't want Dust either.... In any case, my concern is not what is PROPOSED for Nova. As far as I'm concerned it's likely never to see the light of day. Why would you believe that CCP would ever produce it? They are abysmal at doing what they say they will. Just a demo to show they can put a FPS on a spaceship doesn't mean they'll ever actually do it for real. So I suppose to answer your question correctly and truthfully, "What is your perception of what is proposed in Nova?" - it's just candy to keep those few of us still here interested while slowly we die off and get distracted by other things, rather than have us all blow up at the end of Dust which would be bad for PR. I don't honestly think they'll ever produce Nova. They're not interested in the few of us who survive other than how badly we can effect PR for the company. Nova doesn't use VR. Therefore it doesn't fit with CCP's current obsession. That's about the size of it for me. Edit: By the way, I don't look at what people say, but what they do, so what they SAY they're gonna do means little to me. I'll give you that it sucks that we wont have vehicles but I'm also of the opinion that if it's not going to be done right (and it wasn't done right in Dust, particularly at the end) then I'd rather it not be done at all. Eventually I'd like to have them add in vehicles in a way that properly works, but until then I'm fine with it not being implemented and half assed.
As for EVE Link, most of the EVE link was meaningless or underutilized. Yeah orbitals were neat but ultimately it was out of place and clunky EVE side and never produced the level of combat that was actually interesting. It was a romantic notion sure, but ultimately trying to link the games 1:1 never worked properly nor did it provide sufficient incentive for EVE pilots. I'd much rather have interaction between multiple battles within Nova, as that would provide a far more reasonable and interesting interplay than EVE ever provided. For example one Nova battle on an orbital satellite could be running at the same time as another battle on the planet below. Whatever team has primary control in the orbital station would allow their allies on the ground to call in orbitals. Its the same type of "Larger Universe" style but doesn't rely on another game to make it happen. And to be fair, the concept of an economic link between the two games is far more likely to encourage multi-game corporations than orbital strikes ever did. Corps that can exist and work both sides of the market, EVE and Nova, are going to be at a far bigger advantage due to the ability to support each other in making money, than corps that tried to utilize orbital support. ------ As for your final points, I can't really stop you from letting the bitterness get the best of you so I wont try to argue against the salt. That is what it is. It's simple for me. Unless there's an EvE link, I'm not that interested. I bought the whole concept on the basis that there was the link to EvE. It's what makes the whole point of Dust/Nova to me. Without the EvE link it's just another FPS, no matter how good it is. I know the people who didn't come from EvE in the first place can't see the point of this, but in New Eden, or the EvE Universe, it's probably the most important factor of all to me. |
Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
1088
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Posted - 2016.10.10 13:35:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:It's simple for me. Unless there's an EvE link, I'm not that interested. I bought the whole concept on the basis that there was the link to EvE. It's what makes the whole point of Dust/Nova to me. Without the EvE link it's just another FPS, no matter how good it is. I know the people who didn't come from EvE in the first place can't see the point of this, but in New Eden, or the EvE Universe, it's probably the most important factor of all to me.
Never played Eve, and I'm down with that. (I lowkey want to have possible negative effects on capsuleers so I can get them back for all the times they've spewed condescending elitist comments in local chat and left the system before anyone could respond)
If I recall correctly, making a solid and properly functioning shooter is the first priority, and the New Eden focused stuff comes second. There is hope for you.
"Stab you to death, stab you to life!"
-Truck Fist after knifing a red and reviving me
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LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
1190
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Posted - 2016.10.10 13:43:00 -
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Lol we are arguing amongst ourselves defending or attacking a company that refuses to give us info on a game that they promised but won't show us anything about.
TO ALL MERCS LEFT ON THIS FORUM: Instead of asking each other to explain themselves, ASK CCP.
As for me... I'm done asking for a little appreciation as a paying customer of their products.
All I wanted was communication. Hell a screen shot or 2.
Dustkillz and chill
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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
1197
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Posted - 2016.10.10 22:35:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:It's simple for me. Unless there's an EvE link, I'm not that interested. I bought the whole concept on the basis that there was the link to EvE. It's what makes the whole point of Dust/Nova to me. Without the EvE link it's just another FPS, no matter how good it is. I know the people who didn't come from EvE in the first place can't see the point of this, but in New Eden, or the EvE Universe, it's probably the most important factor of all to me. Never played Eve, and I'm down with that. (I lowkey want to have possible negative effects on capsuleers so I can get them back for all the times they've spewed condescending elitist comments in local chat and left the system before anyone could respond) If I recall correctly, making a solid and properly functioning shooter is the first priority, and the New Eden focused stuff comes second. There is hope for you. My point is there are any number of FPSs out there. The thing that made the FPS in New Eden different and special was the EvE link. Without it, it's just another FPS.
Yes, they may add the EvE stuff in later, but without being put in from the start, it will be at best a patchwork solution. I would rather see them put at least the basis of the EvE stuff in from the start, even if it's just stubs that can be added onto later. Without the EvE link, there's nothing special about Nova. All of CCP's games have some degree of EvE link from what I can see, so why create a FPS with none? Especially if the plan is to add it later.... |
Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
10246
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Posted - 2016.10.11 18:06:00 -
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*sigh*
Keys and lockboxes are the root of all evil.
21 Day EVE Trial Bitches
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General Vahzz
865
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Posted - 2016.10.11 18:09:00 -
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Maybe I can destroy half my brain by combining a ton of alcohol and drugs like you.
The Original Bastard.
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Sergeant Sazu
Mantodea MC
1089
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Posted - 2016.10.11 18:30:00 -
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Alena Asakura wrote:Sergeant Sazu wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:It's simple for me. Unless there's an EvE link, I'm not that interested. I bought the whole concept on the basis that there was the link to EvE. It's what makes the whole point of Dust/Nova to me. Without the EvE link it's just another FPS, no matter how good it is. I know the people who didn't come from EvE in the first place can't see the point of this, but in New Eden, or the EvE Universe, it's probably the most important factor of all to me. Never played Eve, and I'm down with that. (I lowkey want to have possible negative effects on capsuleers so I can get them back for all the times they've spewed condescending elitist comments in local chat and left the system before anyone could respond) If I recall correctly, making a solid and properly functioning shooter is the first priority, and the New Eden focused stuff comes second. There is hope for you. My point is there are any number of FPSs out there. The thing that made the FPS in New Eden different and special was the EvE link. Without it, it's just another FPS. Yes, they may add the EvE stuff in later, but without being put in from the start, it will be at best a patchwork solution. I would rather see them put at least the basis of the EvE stuff in from the start, even if it's just stubs that can be added onto later. Without the EvE link, there's nothing special about Nova. All of CCP's games have some degree of EvE link from what I can see, so why create a FPS with none? Especially if the plan is to add it later....
Dust's link with Eve was pretty minimal, Factional Warfare orbitals almost never happened. Is it that you want an Eve link out of sheer vanity? Just knowing that it's there, that "I'm a part of New Eden" feel? Because that was achieved just fine through theme, and racial gear. You keep using the phrase "just another FPS" when Dust did have a weak Eve link but still felt like New Eden.
...Now that I think about it, the only other link with Eve was the chat channel integration. That better be there from the start. But it's likely they'll start off with a separate server first (see: Singularity) and merge later, as I'd imagine it's simply not wise to flip the on switch without testing separately first.
"Stab you to death, stab you to life!"
-Truck Fist after knifing a red and reviving me
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