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Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.06 22:29:00 -
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From what I can see VR has become the new obsession for CCP. I don't think we'll see much come out of CCP that isn't VR capable, or VR driven. EvE Online will continue because of its huge fan base and community. I don't know what we can expect of NOVA given all this. Perhaps it will end up being a VR based FPS? It would be nice to think that they will continue to develop it as a straight PC based FPS, but my feeling is that CCP's VR obsession will either kill it or morph it into a VR FPS.
Assuming that it continues, but in the VR form, I'm inclined to believe that there might be some problems with it - I relate the PS Move experience, that being an attempt to incorporate physical movement into the control mechanism of Dust. VR fundamentally uses head movements if not also hand and body movements, as part of the input interface. I would hope that VR does a better job than the PS Move which I found clunky, imprecise and thoroughly unsuitable for the job.
Obviously, it would be better if CCP stuck with a straight PC based FPS and ignored the "potential" for VR. I just see their obsession with VR as being a bit of a given for all their future releases. I wonder whether they haven't already discussed the idea of a VR interface for EvE Online. Now that would be truly ridiculous. :) |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.06 22:59:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:From what I can see VR has become the new obsession for CCP. I don't think we'll see much come out of CCP that isn't VR capable, or VR driven. EvE Online will continue because of its huge fan base and community. I don't know what we can expect of NOVA given all this. Perhaps it will end up being a VR based FPS? It would be nice to think that they will continue to develop it as a straight PC based FPS, but my feeling is that CCP's VR obsession will either kill it or morph it into a VR FPS.
Assuming that it continues, but in the VR form, I'm inclined to believe that there might be some problems with it - I relate the PS Move experience, that being an attempt to incorporate physical movement into the control mechanism of Dust. VR fundamentally uses head movements if not also hand and body movements, as part of the input interface. I would hope that VR does a better job than the PS Move which I found clunky, imprecise and thoroughly unsuitable for the job.
Obviously, it would be better if CCP stuck with a straight PC based FPS and ignored the "potential" for VR. I just see their obsession with VR as being a bit of a given for all their future releases. I wonder whether they haven't already discussed the idea of a VR interface for EvE Online. Now that would be truly ridiculous. :) It seems to have been pretty much decided that the FPS is not currently suited to VR. As Project Nova is an FPS I find it extremely unlikely they would try to turn it into a VR game. Not to mention the fact that they didn't mention using VR for it at Fanfest, and people played a demo of it without VR. Also CCP had already released Gunjack before Fanfest. Why would the release of Gunjack 2 change anything? Now, a VR interface for EVE you say? That sounds pretty awesome to me. I'm just spitballing. I obviously don't know that either NOVA or EvE would ever have VR. My conjecture about VR for NOVA is based on CCP's obsession with VR, not any idea that VR would ba any good for a FPS. In fact, I don't think VR would be any good for an FPS, which sort of leaves my other option, that because VR can't be applied to a FPS, CCP will simply drop NOVA.
I know I'm being cynical. I've become somewhat cynical because CCP has abandoned what could have continued as an excellent FPS with enough development, for the glitzy allure of VR. Look at the titles they are releasing, including their upgrades. All the new ones are VR. The only one that isn't is EvE, and that's probably simply because they have such a large and committed fan base for that game. It was their first and always has been their primary game. If they can apply VR to it, they will, I'm sure, but if they can't, that won't bring them to cull it. Not so NOVA which to my mind is just a dream they trotted out to keep us happy. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.09 11:39:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Considering that Shanghai is a full game studio, guessing they don't have enough people to work a project they have committed to seems a bit... hilarious?
Especially given CCP never shares how many developer positions they maintain publically.
Development is thus far on track, and nothing I am seeing inspires me to say "f*ck this sh*t, I'm out."
So we'll see. I just want to play DUST. I don't give a damn about vapourware. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.09 20:55:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Considering that Shanghai is a full game studio, guessing they don't have enough people to work a project they have committed to seems a bit... hilarious?
Especially given CCP never shares how many developer positions they maintain publically.
Development is thus far on track, and nothing I am seeing inspires me to say "f*ck this sh*t, I'm out."
So we'll see. I just want to play DUST. I don't give a damn about vapourware. A. It's not vaporware B. Dust is gone and is never coming back I get that people are feeling nostalgia but don't forget that most of us used to spend most of our time on these forums bashing the game for how bad it was or making thread after thread about every new shooter that came out that we believed Dust was inferior to. A. It IS vapourware, by definition. This is a product for which we've only seen a demo, and they're selling the idea of its eventual release on that basis. When and if it is ever released it will cease to be vapourware. Most vapourware never sees the light of day, so it would be good to see NOVA actually come to some sort of fruition. B. Yes, I know Dust is gone. I'm complaining about the fact it shouldn't be. Under no circumstances, if CCP were really intending to release something like NOVA should they have ceased support of Dust. The fact they did is the clearest indication I have that they do NOT intend to ever release NOVA. Again, I would be very pleased to see NOVA actually released and we are talking about CCP here, who do not do anything that makes any sense at all to me or anyone else. But anyone with half a brain can see that the Dust community is in tatters, with just a few that are hanging on in the hope of seeing something come of NOVA.
For the record, NOVA will NOT be an adequate replacement for Dust, even if it does happen. Dust would have been an adequate replacement, ported to PS4 or even PC. What they're proposing with NOVA is just not good enough. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.09 22:21:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: Dust would have been an adequate replacement, ported to PS4 or even PC. What they're proposing with NOVA is just not good enough. Tell me, what is your perception of what is proposed in Nova? Because I after speaking with various devs and CPM (and not just letting the stupid tech demo dictate my perception of the final product), Nova plans to encompass all of the meaningful parts of Dust, plus far more. I guess that depends on what you define as "meaningful". From what I've heard, they're not planning to reintroduce vehicles, for a start which I think was a meaningful part of the Dust experience. I didn't go for vehicles myself, but I find the concept of any form of combat meaningless without vehicles.
I also find the EvE link meaningful, where many apparently don't. Without it, it's just another FPS to me. If anything they should have made the EvE link MORE rather than less. In short, I think what they had planned from the start for Dust would have been good, but as usual CCP got diverted from its plan by listening too much to the community, as far as I can see most of whom weren't that enamoured with EvE. And from the EvE side of it, they didn't want Dust either....
In any case, my concern is not what is PROPOSED for Nova. As far as I'm concerned it's likely never to see the light of day. Why would you believe that CCP would ever produce it? They are abysmal at doing what they say they will. Just a demo to show they can put a FPS on a spaceship doesn't mean they'll ever actually do it for real.
So I suppose to answer your question correctly and truthfully, "What is your perception of what is proposed in Nova?" - it's just candy to keep those few of us still here interested while slowly we die off and get distracted by other things, rather than have us all blow up at the end of Dust which would be bad for PR. I don't honestly think they'll ever produce Nova. They're not interested in the few of us who survive other than how badly we can effect PR for the company.
Nova doesn't use VR. Therefore it doesn't fit with CCP's current obsession. That's about the size of it for me.
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By the way, I don't look at what people say, but what they do, so what they SAY they're gonna do means little to me. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.10 12:38:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Alena Asakura wrote: Dust would have been an adequate replacement, ported to PS4 or even PC. What they're proposing with NOVA is just not good enough. Tell me, what is your perception of what is proposed in Nova? Because I after speaking with various devs and CPM (and not just letting the stupid tech demo dictate my perception of the final product), Nova plans to encompass all of the meaningful parts of Dust, plus far more. I guess that depends on what you define as "meaningful". From what I've heard, they're not planning to reintroduce vehicles, for a start which I think was a meaningful part of the Dust experience. I didn't go for vehicles myself, but I find the concept of any form of combat meaningless without vehicles. I also find the EvE link meaningful, where many apparently don't. Without it, it's just another FPS to me. If anything they should have made the EvE link MORE rather than less. In short, I think what they had planned from the start for Dust would have been good, but as usual CCP got diverted from its plan by listening too much to the community, as far as I can see most of whom weren't that enamoured with EvE. And from the EvE side of it, they didn't want Dust either.... In any case, my concern is not what is PROPOSED for Nova. As far as I'm concerned it's likely never to see the light of day. Why would you believe that CCP would ever produce it? They are abysmal at doing what they say they will. Just a demo to show they can put a FPS on a spaceship doesn't mean they'll ever actually do it for real. So I suppose to answer your question correctly and truthfully, "What is your perception of what is proposed in Nova?" - it's just candy to keep those few of us still here interested while slowly we die off and get distracted by other things, rather than have us all blow up at the end of Dust which would be bad for PR. I don't honestly think they'll ever produce Nova. They're not interested in the few of us who survive other than how badly we can effect PR for the company. Nova doesn't use VR. Therefore it doesn't fit with CCP's current obsession. That's about the size of it for me. Edit: By the way, I don't look at what people say, but what they do, so what they SAY they're gonna do means little to me. I'll give you that it sucks that we wont have vehicles but I'm also of the opinion that if it's not going to be done right (and it wasn't done right in Dust, particularly at the end) then I'd rather it not be done at all. Eventually I'd like to have them add in vehicles in a way that properly works, but until then I'm fine with it not being implemented and half assed.
As for EVE Link, most of the EVE link was meaningless or underutilized. Yeah orbitals were neat but ultimately it was out of place and clunky EVE side and never produced the level of combat that was actually interesting. It was a romantic notion sure, but ultimately trying to link the games 1:1 never worked properly nor did it provide sufficient incentive for EVE pilots. I'd much rather have interaction between multiple battles within Nova, as that would provide a far more reasonable and interesting interplay than EVE ever provided. For example one Nova battle on an orbital satellite could be running at the same time as another battle on the planet below. Whatever team has primary control in the orbital station would allow their allies on the ground to call in orbitals. Its the same type of "Larger Universe" style but doesn't rely on another game to make it happen. And to be fair, the concept of an economic link between the two games is far more likely to encourage multi-game corporations than orbital strikes ever did. Corps that can exist and work both sides of the market, EVE and Nova, are going to be at a far bigger advantage due to the ability to support each other in making money, than corps that tried to utilize orbital support. ------ As for your final points, I can't really stop you from letting the bitterness get the best of you so I wont try to argue against the salt. That is what it is. It's simple for me. Unless there's an EvE link, I'm not that interested. I bought the whole concept on the basis that there was the link to EvE. It's what makes the whole point of Dust/Nova to me. Without the EvE link it's just another FPS, no matter how good it is. I know the people who didn't come from EvE in the first place can't see the point of this, but in New Eden, or the EvE Universe, it's probably the most important factor of all to me. |
Alena Asakura
Rogue Clones Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.10 22:35:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:Alena Asakura wrote:It's simple for me. Unless there's an EvE link, I'm not that interested. I bought the whole concept on the basis that there was the link to EvE. It's what makes the whole point of Dust/Nova to me. Without the EvE link it's just another FPS, no matter how good it is. I know the people who didn't come from EvE in the first place can't see the point of this, but in New Eden, or the EvE Universe, it's probably the most important factor of all to me. Never played Eve, and I'm down with that. (I lowkey want to have possible negative effects on capsuleers so I can get them back for all the times they've spewed condescending elitist comments in local chat and left the system before anyone could respond) If I recall correctly, making a solid and properly functioning shooter is the first priority, and the New Eden focused stuff comes second. There is hope for you. My point is there are any number of FPSs out there. The thing that made the FPS in New Eden different and special was the EvE link. Without it, it's just another FPS.
Yes, they may add the EvE stuff in later, but without being put in from the start, it will be at best a patchwork solution. I would rather see them put at least the basis of the EvE stuff in from the start, even if it's just stubs that can be added onto later. Without the EvE link, there's nothing special about Nova. All of CCP's games have some degree of EvE link from what I can see, so why create a FPS with none? Especially if the plan is to add it later.... |
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