While I agree with you 100%, let's all remember that console streaming is not as difficult today as it was 3 years ago. The PlayStation 4 is one example that incorporated hardware that enables you to record gameplay.

Source:
http://kotaku.com/how-to-record-videos-on-a-ps4-1585679861

However, the PC offers massively flexibility in terms of editing. And since we know for a fact that Eve Online allows you to directly stream your gameplay on Twitch.TV there is also a possibility that Project Nova might allow the same thing.

Recording and uploading gameplay, something consoles gamers always struggled to do.
Over the past 3 years, DUST had very few Youtubers putting the game out there, who were almost exclusively the only ones bringing in new players, and from these few, how many were constantly active ?

Except for the lag and bugs, why did DUST fail so hard on the advertising scene ?

Because not everyone had 150+$ to buy a good capture card and the space to use it, set it up, which was the only way to get the game out there.
However, NOVA will benefit from being on the PC because the software for Recording ( and even live streaming ! ) are pretty much all free and very accessible and easy to use, unlike console capture cards.

ANYONE who ever wished to put his matches on YT will be able to do so . We will be ALL able to do our advertisement part, which will be an undeniable help to CCP trying to get new players. That is why I believe we are going in the right direction after CCP decided to develop NOVA on PC.

Now I know we haven't played the game yet and only seen very few of it, so let's hope they get it in the right direction so that we have good reasons to eventually promote it !

Agree ? Disagree ? Share your thoughts !

I would have to go ahead and agree with you on the fact that the difficulty of streaming definitely hurt Dust specially since they tried to center their advertising around an invite system much like Eve is.

As for calling that an advantage to PC over PS4 you would be incorrect thanks to the fact that PS4 now includes the ability to stream for free.

Even smartphones have seen their first attempt at this such as Project Ara by Google where a smartphone is given a modular design where you can pick which hardware to install or upgrade. It's still in its infancy, but if a smartphone is willing to go that far then I see no reason why a console shouldn't try the same thing.

PS: I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo became the first major console maker to attempt this. They are well known for expanding into various markets that are vastly different from what most console gamers have grown to know them for.

Not to go off topic or anything, but the Eve Online invite system had far better incentives compared to the lackluster incentives that Dust 514 had. Much of the rewards that Dust offered for both recruiters and recruits are not as good as their in-game equivalents. The only exception was the BPO LAV which is very difficult to obtain and has become much more difficult now because of the looming shutdown for the game.

Going back to streaming, recording, and editing, It's very interesting to see how far consoles have come along in that regard. Unfortunately what keeps holding them back is the dreaded console life cycle. The only way to break that cycle is if somehow consoles were to adopt the one advantage that the PC has over them. The ability to expand their current hardware and software while still allowing you to enjoy the same games you bought years ago. So far the Steam Machine appears to be the first step in all that but I'm not sure how that will turn out. If the consoles can get out of their life cycle of having to constantly be replaced in their entirety then that would be great.

Even smartphones have seen their first attempt at this such as Project Ara by Google where a smartphone is given a modular design where you can pick which hardware to install or upgrade. It's still in its infancy, but if a smartphone is willing to go that far then I see no reason why a console shouldn't try the same thing.

PS: I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo became the first major console maker to attempt this. They are well known for expanding into various markets that are vastly different from what most console gamers have grown to know them for.

Recording and uploading gameplay, something consoles gamers always struggled to do.
Over the past 3 years, DUST had very few Youtubers putting the game out there, who were almost exclusively the only ones bringing in new players, and from these few, how many were constantly active ?

Except for the lag and bugs, why did DUST fail so hard on the advertising scene ?

Because not everyone had 150+$ to buy a good capture card and the space to use it, set it up, which was the only way to get the game out there.
However, NOVA will benefit from being on the PC because the software for Recording ( and even live streaming ! ) are pretty much all free and very accessible and easy to use, unlike console capture cards.

ANYONE who ever wished to put his matches on YT will be able to do so . We will be ALL able to do our advertisement part, which will be an undeniable help to CCP trying to get new players. That is why I believe we are going in the right direction after CCP decided to develop NOVA on PC.

Now I know we haven't played the game yet and only seen very few of it, so let's hope they get it in the right direction so that we have good reasons to eventually promote it !

Agree ? Disagree ? Share your thoughts !

And the PS4 streaming interface is actually quite good. I was pleasantly surprised when i first used it. The recording aspect is also quite intuitive and easy to use.

What service do you guys use? I know nvidia has a free one and so does Windows 10

An advantage about going to PC is that the players will be able to advertise for the game...

And the persons sayings this are the players...

No offense, but that is pretty goddamn sad. "Hey, now we can help CCP actually make the game popular! We won't have to purchase 40 dollar Roxio's and jump the cables through a switch box to get around copy protection! We can finally get the game the advertising it deserves!"

That sort of thing should never be in the heads of players. That is some parentification crap right there, us telling the court that "no, I can't live with daddy because mommy needs me to help her."

DUST failed hard on the advertising scene because there was absolutely no marketing. Ask some people who got into DUST having not already played or heard about EVE and the answer is usually "I was looking through the free games and it was near the top of the list." That's it. If the game had been called SOOT 514 less people would have seen it. I have never seen any kind of marketing for DUST by CCP online other than when CCP goes "we have a new DUST 514 ad!" that they show at a convention but never anywhere else. In my opinion, CCP was expecting the game to advertise itself through game press like EVE does. EVE doesn't need to advertise: every article talking about some massive battle or even the economics of the game in Forbes is free advertisement.

"Console Players take control of important planet, affecting popular PC game" is what CCP was expecting to see. That, obviously, never happened.

Actually it's not bad at all for consumers to advertise a product for a company. Often times many people who never heard of a product would rather trust their own friends' opinion on the game rather than what the company says. How often have you seen advertisements for games like Halo and then asked your friend who knows the franchise well to tell you how it really is?

Exactly! Hell, the big problem with Dust 514 is you couldn't tell your friends it was good without feeling like you were leading them astray.

Dust 514 and Nova is the biggest scam in the history of video games

disagree

Undeniable advantages for Nova on PC include, but may not be limited to:

Scaleable settings

Better hardware and therefor graphics and fps

Native K&M support instead of emulation while still having controller support

Future proof

Not estranging the eve fanbase

faster updates due to sony not having to check them

Streaming and uploading videos and screenshots is easier

Scaleable settings -> with console this is not a requirement due to uniform hardware.

future proof -> not really all that true. I will just say that now that the playstation is on the x86 architecture going from one to the next is even more simple than keeping up with PCs which will likely end up with an entirely new OS to deal with even in the lifespan of the PS4

faster updates due to sony not having to check them -> again not true at all. Slower updates due to QA needing to be done across several operating systems and hardware configurations to ensure it is atleast going to work for most of the players. In comparison with PS4 you have ONE SYSTEM and ONE OS to test for followed by giving Sony time to do a check to make sure its not going to crash the whole system.

Streaming and uploading videos and screenshots is easier -> yet again incorrect. if you are on windows 10 they are basically equal thanks to the ps4 and windows 10 both having very easy built in streaming systems. However if you are not on windows 10 you are going to have to download some software and do quite a few settings to make sure the stream does not take up more of your internet than the game.

Weirdly enough though, some games started to include it. Many people want to play with worse graphics, but higher fps, yet very very few games make that possible on consoles. Seriously... with modding coming to consoles and graphic settings making a push, it seems like consoles don't want where they want to go.

Even if they go to a new OS, you could just install that OS on your PC. And well... it worked well enough for Eve Online for the last 13 years... during that time 3 console generations were released.

I wonder why they manage monthly updates in Eve Online then, but in Dust it was one every 3 months. Even hotfixes needed to be checked by sony. Getting your patch approved by Sony takes a long time.

At least on PC I can record more than 30 seconds. Also Shadowplay works not only on Windows 10. And it's not that, magically, streaming takes less resources on consoles. Only difference is: When something doesn't work, you can try to make it work on PC.

Exactly! Hell, the big problem with Dust 514 is you couldn't tell your friends it was good without feeling like you were leading them astray.

LOL. At a minimum moving to a newer OS requires some tweaks to be able to properly use compatibility mode and at the most require major adjustments. Just look at how many programs today still have trouble going from windows 8 to windows 10 at around 2 years after the first beta of windows 10 was released. Developers are also forced to chase the most current versions of directx while trying to keep older versions working which is a bit of a crap shoot. For example right now the newer cards are all using dx12 but there are still millions of people that max out at dx11 thanks to older hardware.

Yea I wonder indeed why they manage monthly updates in Eve but not in Dust. Could it possibly have to do with an amazingly larger team? Maybe it has to do with the fact that Eve is a far more stable code base thanks to them having spent years and years cleaning up things. Hotfixes WERE NOT approved by Sony they were strictly server side updates. Oh and lets not forget that thanks to being stuck on Tranquility Dust could only have server work done in the 15 - 30 minute downtime they were given by the Eve guys, I can not possibly imagine why that would slow up things.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the 30 seconds thing. Go on twitch right now you will find thousands and thousands of people running streams using nothing but the PS4 system. I did not say it takes less resources on console only that console is able to use better tuned default settings and not require the user to tweak frame rates, bandwidth throttling, resolution settings, and lots of other fun settings.



CCPs only problem with Sony is that they take a cut of the money that is processed and they actually hold them to a customer care standard that is in favor of the customer not the company. FF14 showed them that with Sony in charge of the money their screw ups can cost real money.

I again mention parentification; it isn't our job to show the world what the game is like. And if the game sucks, it won't help anyway.

I know the advantages of being able to make videos easier, but "we can help CCP" is a ridiculous thing for the customers to be saying. It is like saying "with them going through Paypal, I will be able to still spend money if I get a new credit card! It is soooo much easier to spend money, convient for us both!"

I swear, we are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Note: I do agree with PC but not because we can provide free advertising...