ISK me plz

With these proposed changes, why bother with PC?
It would become an isk sink that no one would take part in. There is no incentive to hold a district if you cant do something with it.

What about the gap between passive ISK gen being removed.. and PC 2.0 ??
Plenty still played PC battles, for *I hope* the reason I do, 16v16 where both teams coordinate for the win.

I threw some suggestions out there, but I cannot say I am certain of what should be done.

What I am 100% certain of, is that teams should not profit from not fighting.

Then you don't understand how war-profiteering works.

What about the gap between passive ISK gen being removed.. and PC 2.0 ??
Plenty still played PC battles, for *I hope* the reason I do, 16v16 where both teams coordinate for the win.

I threw some suggestions out there, but I cannot say I am certain of what should be done.

What I am 100% certain of, is that teams should not profit from not fighting.

List of active PC Corps and if they support the removal of ISK generation.

Dead Man's Game +1 (Corps should not profit from not fighting)
Skill of God
Prima Gallicus
Abyss of Universe
Project of Killers
WarRavens
Star of Death
Cap Ac
Eternal Beings
b.l.u.e s.t.a.r
Rebellion TLC
Zen KIll society
Th3.Immortals
Pug-Nus
Grupo Ass Chacal
Heaven 84 Devils
Carbon 7
Random Gunz
Fatal Absolution
Daemons of Razgriz
nEXT sATISFACTION
Galaxy T-Soldiers
Butterfly Effect
Drift.Crew
Made In Poland
Post Morteam
Second-Nature
Latino KIllers Corp
Ever.Seruring of Heaver
Power to accelerate
ICE-9 Project
S.A.L.U.K.I.
DIOSES DEL EDEN.
Zest Of Liberty
Iberica Racing Team
NEW H0PE
Jade-Knight

I'm going to stop listing there.. as it will be tough getting international replies anyway, if anyone reading this can direct leadership in PC Corps to this post to share their feedback, that would be appreciated, thank you...

If you are not in the list, it's your own fault because I have not seen you in a PC battle anytime in the last 6months+

PC isn't the problem and this being the EVE universe, there should be a way to make ISK without fighting.

Replying to this without getting banned is a serious task for me

This is an FPS.

Not EVE where manufacture, Industry and a list of other options are available...

This is an FPS.

Why the hell would you profit without fighting ???

I never said I wanted this to be the way to make isk without fighting, it's just the only option available so people are going to abuse it. FPS or not you give people a way to make easy money and they'll take it.

Exactly.

So remove the clone sales.

Increase battle payouts.

Add an average MU rank to teams... HIgher rank = higher payout for fighting them.

We should make ISK, I agree.. but not by sitting about not fighting

Replying to this without getting banned is a serious task for me

This is an FPS.

Not EVE where manufacture, Industry and a list of other options are available...

This is an FPS.

Why the hell should you profit without fighting ???

Because its supposed to be an FPS where you can do those things.

Mind blowing, I know. Welcome to New Eden.

I know i shouldn't respond, but. You're defending pc farming, you belive dust514'ers should generate isk without fighting and pc vets no longer will have reason to fight pc without unlimited isk generation

That's one persons opinion...

Look at the history.. before the removal of clone sales, FA controlled the majority of Molden Heath and more with alt Corps, not very long after, FA vanished from the map.. returning when the ability to farm ISK was returned.. and yet again they climbed to a majority of Molden Heath... Being space rich is serious bizniz

Many more Corps stayed active for good fights on the game they enjoy playing.

I am awaiting his reply to the post, but so far Hubert De laBatte has the most reasonable reply
"we should not make changes based on the extreme"

And he is right, the ISK mechanic is not necessarily a bad thing, as a lot of effort goes in to PC, so there is reward for the Corps that do so, but the extreme is the problem, the Corps who insist on powerful Alliances for a cushion and step over others with nothing other than a profit margin in mind, sure it's logical for "war-profiteering"

But it is bad for gameplay, it is worse for the community who try to step in to such activity and have to deal with it.

Last time I fought in a PC only 1 person on the other team turned up. I made just over 3000isk.

Complete waste of time.

They are never quiet and secure, because a big part of the other corporations is still better. And they constantly try to improve the team. After 2 years they will maybe have 20 districts and posting there "nobody attack us now, it's possible to farm isk in PC, remove the passive isk gen".

Kaisar, I am not going to poke holes in your post it would take all evening.

I do have some resentment for FA, mainly because barely a month into PC, one of your officers decided to attack DMG pretty regular, were the fights competitive.. No, they were stomps.. we adjusted to it and managed some results eventually, but the levels were way to far apart, So I cannot believe you guys genuinely seek good fights...
(Also at this time, you gave districts to ITALIAN HUNTERS and Lux Aterna, to flip them a week later)

That and each time you are active you seem to be supported by the best in game, not contesting them.

Sure things may look different from opposite sides, but that is my view from here.

It may seem as expecting mercs to play my way, but then look at the fact that I have had to adapt to playing your way, so it is not so different bar the fact that it is viewed differently by each side. So I will have to agree to disagree.

I fight for and even FC with some of the new teams, trying to build their activity and watching supposed vets feel because they got in with the A-team act as though they are deserving of the rewards from doing so, destroy them rather than promote competition sucks, I got used to it, I have been stomped by and defeated every team in Molden Heath... but so long as the veteran players feel entitled to extreme advantages over smaller Corps activity will continue to bleed out.

There may not be many capable of 1337 slaying the best in game, but there are many teams left willing to fight. Having major advantages handed to the 1337 to crush the others is what I want to see changed, it doesn't need to be anything I suggest.

But something needs to be done.

Devaluing clones based on the total your Corp produces is one option, while increasing the value of clones for those that have less would be another option, you say the small Corps need the ISK, you are right, what I am saying as long as the top Corps are earning 10x that amount, the rewards for a small Corp are negligible.. and while the tops Corps keep surging ahead, the gap will never close between them, and the amount of good fights will further decline.

Different sides will view it differently, ISK in my view is there to be burnt by fighting.. I would have no issue with the current earnings if there was not always one group taking too much of an advantage (0H/RG/CAP, then AE/FA, now SOG/POK) and then Corps sit on the sideline such as EB/WR who fork out ISK to keep their position and their earnings, I would sooner lose all of my districts than make contracts for others to defend them. Look at DMG+Prima.. we are allies, that Alliance was built on fighting each other.. which in turn makes me part of the problem.. but we do not support each other in lesser battles and both go as far as to fight against each other when supporting the smaller teams, rather than allying for stomps.

Views will be different,
I just feel the rewards for taking a crap on small Corps and hiding behind better teams should be lessened.

--- another simple, clean idea ---

ownership requires maintenance costs - consistent and critical part of the sandbox throughout New Eden

A fee per corp member multiplied by the number of districts held, charged in isk, assessed daily

_____________

this makes the fees scale with the size of the organization, and causes over-inflated corps full of sleeping alts to clean up their rosters.

corps that are breaking in to pc should be able to cover the costs of their first few districts from relatively low taxes, while large corps make a much smaller profit from clones, but enough to pay for overhead plus about 15% (healthy profit margin, honestly)

If you put as much effort into the game as you do putting your tears into words you could eliminate the donut and run Molden Heath however you see fit.

The following are ideas I have either come up with, seen or adapted from others

1) Increase the probability of salvaging officer weapons either by increasing the amount that are added to the salvage pool from the ones used in game or increase the probability of salvaging an officer item in PC contracts in the case of the latter a few requirements like "x" clones killed or what can be added to combat exploitation.

2) Add a reward for flipping inactive districts, they can be categorized as districts that have not been attacked, attacked others or transferred clones. I didn't mention the sale of clones because one could simply rotate the use of them or sell like 20 clones a piece to get around this and farming doesn't really qualify as being PC active.

3) Add planetary conquest missions that can only by completed in PC with increased rewards that are weekly rather than daily

4) Expand the DK market either with Keys and/or corporate skins that display the Corp emblem and name with a special color chosen by the corporation. These will work like current skins and only work on a certain race and class but I haven't made up my mind on whether or not to make them BPO's or BPC's. A Corp may have multiple skins if the choose.

5) Give more value to certain land I have a more detailed thread that I will post later.

Many of these would work well in conjunction with others and some are just common sense I will probably add to this list.

:: scratches head ::

Looks alot like:

1) More stuff for more of the same.
2) More stuff for more of the same.
3) More stuff for more of the same.
4) More stuff for more of the same.
5) More stuff for more of the same.

Do you think that'd serve sustainable conflict, discourage talent pooling, promote real competition and ultimately build interest and participation rates in PC? Or do you think that giving existing participants more stuff for doing more of the same will ultimately amount to giving existing participants more stuff for doing more of the same?

Agree with the fact that passive isk generation is a bit off for those corporations owning more than 3-4 districts and getting attacked rarely The main problem that needs tackling.

In this case the perfect incentive is in the original PC design in Dust: every disrict has its own generation of "goods", which goods are needed to craft dropsuits, weaponry etc.

Of course, this needs a radical change, a crafting system and god only know what else ( we have already seen all the issues and bugs and whatever else happen in a PC match).Sweet dreams

So... I'd really prefer not to beat a dead horse, but Dust needs to be rebuilt +1

That said, I'm pretty sure the only way to keep people vaguely interested in PC as it is now is "free money" if you own a district.
Not necessarily, but I would say this is the easiest way CCP see to do it, and are avoiding the work needed

I really have to disagree with you here, rewarding competition is part of encouraging it.

In order of ease and importance (as in possible now CCP )

- PC missions, weekly is decent.. guaranteed active booster reward. (encouraging playing!)

- Salvage on BOTH teams, lore or not..
change it and the lore when a team is up against a wall, this adds incentive to fight back

- Valued land, possibly adding a MU restriction a a devalued section

- DK market improvements

- Districts inactive for one week reset ownership to unoccupied.

Ben's response is one of the best so far, rather than mass-debating, adding to the discussion at hand. (realistic changes)
As severe as ISK removal may be, something needs to be done months ago

If my tears have to be the fuel to get that started, Victear can drink them salty and straight from a pump

Replying to this without getting banned is a serious task for me

This is an FPS.

Not EVE where manufacture, Industry and a list of other options are available...

This is an FPS.

Why the hell should you profit without fighting ???

If a team can catch their breath a little bit before defending would make it where people don't get burned out so quickly. That was a problem with a lot of guys I know.

0.H Supports the removal of PC from PC. The joke has gone on for long enough, put the final nail in the coffin.

I'm glad some things never change those DMG cried about old PC system where there was no point in owning districts, now is crying about people owning districts.

The only factor that changes within DMG is the subject over which they cry.

I know this character doesn't have DMG tags but trust me....There are many of us that would just be happy with a playable game, I have many things to "cry" about without even getting into PC problems.

0.H Supports the removal of PC from PC. The joke has gone on for long enough, put the final nail in the coffin.

I'm glad some things never change those DMG cried about old PC system where there was no point in owning districts, now is crying about people owning districts.

The only factor that changes within DMG is the subject over which they cry.

Better idea. Wipe all ISk over 200 million form ALL DUST accounts. Would help a lot.

Why? Makes no sense. Sure some people farmed isk from pc, but I know some people who earned all their isk just from pubs and trading. One guy in FA for example who is easily one of the best heavies in the game, if not the best, has 600 million isk.


He has never played a PC before and has earned all of it from PUBS.

Bullsh1t. If he's one of the best heavies in the game apparently no way he has never played PC.

Sure, his name was Khemlar Maktaar and he was one of the OG and I mean OG FA members. I talked to him personally while in a squad and he told me he never PCs because he despises the lag that comes from it. He then proceeded to go 35/3 in a min heavy with a burst hmg. He also told me that he has around 600 million isk all collected from pubs. So if you don't believe me, believe him, mail him if you must.

That dude is an annoying **** who if he were active I would have likely kicked, he is incredibly arrogant an overall prick and says the most ludicrous things. He has played PC before and he did pretty terrible in the one I can recall.

That dude is an annoying **** who if he were active I would have likely kicked, he is incredibly arrogant an overall prick and says the most ludicrous things. He has played PC before and he did pretty terrible in the one I can recall.