DUST Search - Why jumpy suits are game breaking

Arirana wrote:

Everyone has been complaining about them but no one has put forth a real fix for it, so let me. The reason they are so game breaking is because it enables the player to completely and very quickly jump out of another players field of vision with a single press of a button. Easy mode at its best.

The issue isn't the jump height, or the splash weapons. Its the jump speed. Most people just can't react to it in time, and find themselves slowly trying to look up while they are getting bukkaked with explosives. They finally catch up to their target once they hit the ground again(if they are even still alive at this point), but the target jumps again and the whole process starts over again until the grounded player is thoroughly kkaked.

The jump mods + splash weapon combo is also a very effective counter to strafing; you can't out strafe a splash weapon.

I don't want to see jump mods removed, they add too much dynamic to be thrown out. SO THE ONLY VIABLE FIX IS TO DECREASE THE JUMP SPEED. Make it the same velocity as a normal jump, but higher therefore much longer. Players need to be given a fair chance to react and track someone trying to jump over their heads.

This will not only balance the game breaking aspect of jump mods, but increase overall airtime, allowing for further jumps between objects and therefore increase the non-combat utility function of jump mods. Not only that, as soon as players are able to react properly to it, it will actually make jumping mid combat a death sentence vs experienced players.

The reason being is the current weakness of jump mods. Once a jumper leaves the ground they are on a set trajectory. It is very easy to predict where a jumper is going while they are in the air. This is already an easy counter to jump suits for players with great aim and reaction speed (I don't like to brag but I have no trouble taking on jump suits). If and when this fix is implemented,this will be what happens to most jump suits.

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Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 18:20:00 - [1] - Quote Everyone has been complaining about them but no one has put forth a real fix for it, so let me. The reason they are so game breaking is because it enables the player to completely and very quickly jump out of another players field of vision with a single press of a button. Easy mode at its best. The issue isn't the jump height, or the splash weapons. Its the jump speed. Most people just can't react to it in time, and find themselves slowly trying to look up while they are getting bukkaked with explosives. They finally catch up to their target once they hit the ground again(if they are even still alive at this point), but the target jumps again and the whole process starts over again until the grounded player is thoroughly kkaked. The jump mods + splash weapon combo is also a very effective counter to strafing; you can't out strafe a splash weapon. I don't want to see jump mods removed, they add too much dynamic to be thrown out. SO THE ONLY VIABLE FIX IS TO DECREASE THE JUMP SPEED. Make it the same velocity as a normal jump, but higher therefore much longer. Players need to be given a fair chance to react and track someone trying to jump over their heads. This will not only balance the game breaking aspect of jump mods, but increase overall airtime, allowing for further jumps between objects and therefore increase the non-combat utility function of jump mods. Not only that, as soon as players are able to react properly to it, it will actually make jumping mid combat a death sentence vs experienced players. The reason being is the current weakness of jump mods. Once a jumper leaves the ground they are on a set trajectory. It is very easy to predict where a jumper is going while they are in the air. This is already an easy counter to jump suits for players with great aim and reaction speed (I don't like to brag but I have no trouble taking on jump suits). If and when this fix is implemented,this will be what happens to most jump suits. The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 938	Posted - 2015.12.13 18:34:00 - [2] - Quote =ƒæì I agree completely I never thought about it like that.. #Port dust514 CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Steam - Heimpai
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 708	Posted - 2015.12.13 18:35:00 - [3] - Quote That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? -- LKC -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 938	Posted - 2015.12.13 18:38:00 - [4] - Quote Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least he's helping unlike a certain group CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Steam - Heimpai
Satanic Fister Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.12.13 18:50:00 - [5] - Quote Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least his whole corp doesn't roof camp all game no matter what "It's like a porcupine with down syndrome... you know it wants hugs but they don't know the pain they cause..."
Bri Bub Dead TOOMEY 382	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:06:00 - [6] - Quote Arirana wrote: Everyone has been complaining about them but no one has put forth a real fix for it, so let me. The reason they are so game breaking is because it enables the player to completely and very quickly jump out of another players field of vision with a single press of a button. Easy mode at its best. The issue isn't the jump height, or the splash weapons. Its the jump speed. Most people just can't react to it in time, and find themselves slowly trying to look up while they are getting bukkaked with explosives. They finally catch up to their target once they hit the ground again(if they are even still alive at this point), but the target jumps again and the whole process starts over again until the grounded player is thoroughly kkaked. The jump mods + splash weapon combo is also a very effective counter to strafing; you can't out strafe a splash weapon. I don't want to see jump mods removed, they add too much dynamic to be thrown out. SO THE ONLY VIABLE FIX IS TO DECREASE THE JUMP SPEED. Make it the same velocity as a normal jump, but higher therefore much longer. Players need to be given a fair chance to react and track someone trying to jump over their heads. This will not only balance the game breaking aspect of jump mods, but increase overall airtime, allowing for further jumps between objects and therefore increase the non-combat utility function of jump mods. Not only that, as soon as players are able to react properly to it, it will actually make jumping mid combat a death sentence vs experienced players. The reason being is the current weakness of jump mods. Once a jumper leaves the ground they are on a set trajectory. It is very easy to predict where a jumper is going while they are in the air. This is already an easy counter to jump suits for players with great aim and reaction speed (I don't like to brag but I have no trouble taking on jump suits). If and when this fix is implemented,this will be what happens to most jump suits. Reported asking CCP to consider for being a pragmatic yet simple solution! Be just and if you can't be just be arbitrary.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 899	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:18:00 - [7] - Quote You are onto something there, but personally I don't think it is the Jump Speed that should be changed. If you change the max sensitivity to a much higher amplitude would achieve the end goal nicely. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
Aidualc LATINOS KILLERS CORP RUST415 708	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:30:00 - [8] - Quote Satanic Fister wrote: Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least his whole corp doesn't roof camp all game no matter what We don't roof camp all the time, also we send them scrubby corps like yours to the red line -- LKC -- Tomate Pote -- *Respectu, Honorem, Value, Unionem*******
Thumb Green Elephant Riders 2	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:32:00 - [9] - Quote I feel conflicted, on one hand I want to say I agree and congratulate you for such a fine idea. On the the other hand you're still a part of the cancer that inflicts this game. I suppose it's possible to find treasure in a pile of trash every once in a while; though it's missing splitting melee and jump bonus into different modules which will make the idea completely perfect. Satanic Fister wrote: Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least his whole corp doesn't roof camp all game no matter what There's no "at least" when it comes to glitch abusers. Rather clear off a roof a million times, than have single match with or against glitchers. Most of what I see around here is just a bag of dicks in need of some kicks. Dust really needs its high sec.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:33:00 - [10] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Satanic Fister wrote: Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least his whole corp doesn't roof camp all game no matter what We don't roof camp all the time, also we send them scrubby corps like yours to the red line You know he's in a NPC corp... right? The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ

DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 940	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:37:00 - [11] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Satanic Fister wrote: Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least his whole corp doesn't roof camp all game no matter what We don't roof camp all the time, also we send them scrubby corps like yours to the red line You can redline NPC corps? Wow you guys truly are trash..we know who the scrub is here now htfu so someone can fix this game..Ari's idea is good but I also like the idea of higher sensitivity but that would only be for vertical view as that wouldn't ruin the turn speed they put in the game for each individual suit but would allow you to nutshot the jumpy nerd CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Steam - Heimpai
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:42:00 - [12] - Quote loooooooooooooooooooooooooool remember the melee glitch? but then someone is jumping and you don't like it so you cry about it? karma son, karma! >>>YouTube!<<<
Dreis ShadowWeaver Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 8	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:45:00 - [13] - Quote I distinctly remember you jumping about in an Assault MK.0 in several PC's. RIP Nova Knifers United Aspiring Pilot Boyko
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 941	Posted - 2015.12.13 19:48:00 - [14] - Quote Most of you didn't even fight him yet you bring it up..I got it so much I QQ'd out of the game till it was fixed yet I got over it..so he glitched like 2 years ago but now is trying to save a game that's on the verge of dying with no port..the fact you guys dwell on the past and can't look to the future is sad CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Steam - Heimpai
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:00:00 - [15] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: but then someone is jumping and you don't like it so you cry about it? DEATH THE KID wrote: is trying to save a game that's on the verge of dying wat The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ
DEATH THE KlD Imperfect - Bastards 943	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:03:00 - [16] - Quote Arirana wrote: Count- -Crotchula wrote: but then someone is jumping and you don't like it so you cry about it? DEATH THE KID wrote: is trying to save a game that's on the verge of dying wat A lot of guys quit cuz of jumpy nerds and the lag..you are trying to fix one while no one else is I love this game but after about 4 years I just can't deal with the current state it's in CEO of Imperfect Bastards and NF -Heimdallr69 Steam - Heimpai
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:20:00 - [17] - Quote I'm just expressing an idea guys I don't remember naming my thread "screw people who abuse jump mods and be cheap!" Please follow the link in my sig its such as waste to spill tears in a GD thread. The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ
Atiim Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 15	Posted - 2015.12.13 20:23:00 - [18] - Quote Regardless of what he uses, is it not important to review the merits of the OP's suggestion? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game Preatoriani 2	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:02:00 - [19] - Quote I agree there's a problem, but I don't agree with slowing jump speed. It would seem really weird from a physics point of view, and wouldn't let you jump further. I suggest increasing the stamina cost of myo jumps to prevent repeated jumping. Perhaps a single jump with triple myos should completely deplete your stamina. This would allow them to be used for positioning, but less so for evasion. Also proper stacking penalties would be good, would help reign them in a bit.
Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:07:00 - [20] - Quote Arirana wrote: Count- -Crotchula wrote: but then someone is jumping and you don't like it so you cry about it? DEATH THE KID wrote: is trying to save a game that's on the verge of dying wat yes that's right you will be confused when you put half a ******* sentence like that. nothing makes sense when you quote half a sentence you half-wit, bit of a theme going on here. you never melee'd me either I just find it really funny how you of all people are saying something is gamebreaking QQ more >>>YouTube!<<<

Count- -Crotchula TasteTheTamsen 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:08:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: Regardless of what he uses, is it not important to review the merits of the OP's suggestion? yes it is but we need to point and laugh first. >>>YouTube!<<<
Terry Webber WarRavens Auxiliaries 926	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:21:00 - [22] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I agree there's a problem, but I don't agree with slowing jump speed. It would seem really weird from a physics point of view, and wouldn't let you jump further. I suggest increasing the stamina cost of myo jumps to prevent repeated jumping. Perhaps a single jump with triple myos should completely deplete your stamina. This would allow them to be used for positioning, but less so for evasion. Also proper stacking penalties would be good, would help reign them in a bit. This sounds likes a better fix than what Arirana is proposing. It just needs to be a large enough penalty to counter stamina mods. Inertial Booster Module Vehicle Installation
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:25:00 - [23] - Quote Count- -Crotchula wrote: yes it is but we need to point and laugh first. you do realize you're the only one right? I've built up a appetite a few times but are you really so thirsty for tears you're hallucinating a QQ thread where there isn't one? I re-read my OP but can't seem to find the holy tear geyser you're enjoying right now. Enjoy anyway The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 6	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:40:00 - [24] - Quote A single jump is not a threat. Multiple jumps are a threat. Therefore introduce stamina penalty on jump for every myofib, making it so only a single jump is possible. Problem solved. This is a positive and endearing message brought to you by Himi.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:42:00 - [25] - Quote Varoth Drac wrote: I agree there's a problem, but I don't agree with slowing jump speed. It would seem really weird from a physics point of view, and wouldn't let you jump further. I suggest increasing the stamina cost of myo jumps to prevent repeated jumping. Perhaps a single jump with triple myos should completely deplete your stamina. This would allow them to be used for positioning, but less so for evasion. Also proper stacking penalties would be good, would help reign them in a bit. It doesn't really need to make sense from a physics standpoint, it just needs to work and balance with the rest of the game. What you're suggesting doesn't address the root problem, it just limits its use. No matter how your fix gets implemented, stacking more cardiac regulators will allow for more jumping. You can get your stamina to crazy levels if you stack those things. With my fix its a sacrifice of authenticity and realism for balance while maintaining the dynamic. TBH you're coming from a "nerf this nerf that" mentality that has been a problem for a while. When it comes to balancing the sacrifice should never be fun for balance. Trust me, one and done jumping followed by walking around out of breath isn't fun. The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:45:00 - [26] - Quote I am really disappointed in the direction that this thread is taking because of the people who dislikes its author. This is more then a bit ridiculous. Expecially when what is being suggested isn't all that bad of an idea. I believe it has been suggested in another thread possibly listed in feature ideals and discussion that some kind of charge up time should be implemented with the jumping mod. I think with both of those ideals implemented we might actually have a decent fixed to the jumping mod problem. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying Council's Modified Repair Tool 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Arirana Ancient Exiles. 1	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:45:00 - [27] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: A single jump is not a threat. Multiple jumps are a threat. Therefore introduce stamina penalty on jump for every myofib, making it so only a single jump is possible. Problem solved. I understand that this fix will work but you guys just don't seem to get it. Its not taboo to make a game less real if it means we will enjoy it more, and its not a necessity to spoil the fun to make the game fair. Its the right idea but the wrong approach, the root of the problem needs to be addressed rather than tagging it with a condition. The Official Ari QQ Thread Æ
Xvos Reigns 371	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:49:00 - [28] - Quote Aidualc wrote: Satanic Fister wrote: Aidualc wrote: That's funny... you are the first one who kills with that game-breaking mode... Assault MK + Plasma Cannon + Flaylock and a Tukker if it is a scout.. You break the game dude !!! and now are pity for this ? At least his whole corp doesn't roof camp all game no matter what We don't roof camp all the time, also we send them scrubby corps like yours to the red line You sure have Lot of confidence for a Corp that has been removed from PC on more than one occasion. Also I support this idea. Good job Ari.
Satanic Fister Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:50:00 - [29] - Quote Arirana wrote: Count- -Crotchula wrote: yes it is but we need to point and laugh first. you do realize you're the only one right? I've built up a appetite a few times but are you really so thirsty for tears you're hallucinating a QQ thread where there isn't one? I re-read my OP but can't seem to find the holy tear geyser you're enjoying right now. Enjoy anyway I concurr I say no whiny/bitchy/qq/scrub talk in the op. I think chocolate is very confused about what's going on "It's like a porcupine with down syndrome... you know it wants hugs but they don't know the pain they cause..."
Satanic Fister Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 11	Posted - 2015.12.13 21:52:00 - [30] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: A single jump is not a threat. Multiple jumps are a threat. Therefore introduce stamina penalty on jump for every myofib, making it so only a single jump is possible. Problem solved. K then I'll stack 4 cmplx card regs on an amarr assault and just negate all of what you just said... "It's like a porcupine with down syndrome... you know it wants hugs but they don't know the pain they cause..."



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