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Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 729	Posted - 2015.11.29 13:58:00 - [1] - Quote I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I'm back Rainbow Dash I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
General Mosquito Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 416	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:10:00 - [2] - Quote This game still needs years of work before it could be considered ready for either the PC or ps4 market place. Aka never going to happen. The Attorney General - Mr. Hybrid Vayu
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:38:00 - [3] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I think everyone with half a brain has accepted the fact that just slapping this on a new platform will do nothing what so ever. The issue is the rest of the people actually believe the rhetoric that the PS3 is the problem and not the fact that this game was built on a foundation of quicksand. As long as people keep dumping money into a bad game why would CCP have any reason to even attempt to improve or even consider leaving behind a cash cow like this. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
Raven-747 WarRavens Imperium Eden 248	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:38:00 - [4] - Quote @op don't bother this community is selfish and dumb. Most of the port qqers are retired players who don't even touch the game and the rest think that after a port they won't get stomped. Get real #FixDustNotPort When you headshot a frontline with proto
Draxus Prime Nos Nothi 4	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:39:00 - [5] - Quote the old hardware is holding back A LOT of the potential. We can't even have trees cause of the mesh count... When it does move to current gen/PC they can do a lot more with the game "Spilling floor cleaner only makes the floor cleaner." - Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:42:00 - [6] - Quote Okay, let's clear this up. When we're talking about a Port, we aren't literally saying CCP should just take all of this game and put it on another platform. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't, because the game is currently coded for the PS3's architecture which is completely different from the x86 that PCs and newer consoles use. Project Legion is basically what you guys think we're asking for. Notice that CCP dropped the copyright on "EVE Legion" because they doubtlessly realized just as the rest of us did that taking the current version of Dust and slapping it on PC with some shinier graphics wasn't going to fix anything. I hope that clears this up. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:49:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Okay, let's clear this up. When we're talking about a Port, we aren't literally saying CCP should just take all of this game and put it on another platform. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't, because the game is currently coded for the PS3's architecture which is completely different from the x86 that PCs and newer consoles use. Project Legion is basically what you guys think we're asking for. Notice that CCP dropped the copyright on "EVE Legion" because they doubtlessly realized just as the rest of us did that taking the current version of Dust and slapping it on PC with some shinier graphics wasn't going to fix anything. I hope that clears this up. Legion was a total rebuild on top of a heavily customized version of UE3. The Legion copyright was dropped because the amazing mess which was FF14 tarnished that name into oblivion. Whatever happened with that rebuild and the possible naming of it went totally up in the air when the storm had finally passed from the most epic PR failure I have ever witnessed live. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
Egypt Musk Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2015.11.29 14:59:00 - [8] - Quote Raven-747 wrote: @op don't bother this community is selfish and dumb. Most of the port qqers are retired players who don't even touch the game and the rest think that after a port they won't get stomped. Get real #FixDustNotPort If ccp knew how to fix teir game they would have already . You dumb for still playing this game.#rougewedding Nvr 4get what ccp did http://jestertrek.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/fanfest-day-two-red-wedding.html
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Okay, let's clear this up. When we're talking about a Port, we aren't literally saying CCP should just take all of this game and put it on another platform. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't, because the game is currently coded for the PS3's architecture which is completely different from the x86 that PCs and newer consoles use. Project Legion is basically what you guys think we're asking for. Notice that CCP dropped the copyright on "EVE Legion" because they doubtlessly realized just as the rest of us did that taking the current version of Dust and slapping it on PC with some shinier graphics wasn't going to fix anything. I hope that clears this up. Legion was a total rebuild on top of a heavily customized version of UE3. The Legion copyright was dropped because the amazing mess which was FF14 tarnished that name into oblivion. Whatever happened with that rebuild and the possible naming of it went totally up in the air when the storm had finally passed from the most epic PR failure I have ever witnessed live. Legion was a total rebuild of gameplay mechanics that would still run on the current heavily customized UE3. I watched all the videos they uploaded from the convention. Given that the current "heavily customized" version of UE3 can't even render some interior spaces without dropping your framerate below playable levels, what the heck makes you think that would have succeeded? That's not even to mention the still persistent memory leak that's never been addressed. How many people do you think would still be playing EVE Legion when they realized that the amount of RAM they have determines how long they can play the game before the framerate drops through the floor? Anyone else remember Battlefield 4? How it was when it first launched? Yeah, that would have been EVE Legion. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:06:00 - [10] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I think everyone with half a brain has accepted the fact that just slapping this on a new platform will do nothing what so ever. The issue is the rest of the people actually believe the rhetoric that the PS3 is the problem and not the fact that this game was built on a foundation of quicksand. As long as people keep dumping money into a bad game why would CCP have any reason to even attempt to improve or even consider leaving behind a cash cow like this. And why do you think this game was built on a foundation of quicksand? CCP was over ambitious for the platform, and we got what we got. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka

Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:06:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I think everyone with half a brain has accepted the fact that just slapping this on a new platform will do nothing what so ever. The issue is the rest of the people actually believe the rhetoric that the PS3 is the problem and not the fact that this game was built on a foundation of quicksand. As long as people keep dumping money into a bad game why would CCP have any reason to even attempt to improve or even consider leaving behind a cash cow like this. And why do you think this game was built on a foundation of quicksand? CCP was over ambitious for the platform, and we got what we got. Quicksandbox Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Mobius Wyvern Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 7	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:08:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I think everyone with half a brain has accepted the fact that just slapping this on a new platform will do nothing what so ever. The issue is the rest of the people actually believe the rhetoric that the PS3 is the problem and not the fact that this game was built on a foundation of quicksand. As long as people keep dumping money into a bad game why would CCP have any reason to even attempt to improve or even consider leaving behind a cash cow like this. And why do you think this game was built on a foundation of quicksand? CCP was over ambitious for the platform, and we got what we got. Quicksandbox Not good for pooping in. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:09:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I think everyone with half a brain has accepted the fact that just slapping this on a new platform will do nothing what so ever. The issue is the rest of the people actually believe the rhetoric that the PS3 is the problem and not the fact that this game was built on a foundation of quicksand. As long as people keep dumping money into a bad game why would CCP have any reason to even attempt to improve or even consider leaving behind a cash cow like this. And why do you think this game was built on a foundation of quicksand? CCP was over ambitious for the platform, and we got what we got. Quicksandbox Not good for pooping in. Speak for yourself. You can ask Breakin how much we enjoy shitting on it (especially when other players are in the line of shit). Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:15:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Okay, let's clear this up. When we're talking about a Port, we aren't literally saying CCP should just take all of this game and put it on another platform. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't, because the game is currently coded for the PS3's architecture which is completely different from the x86 that PCs and newer consoles use. Project Legion is basically what you guys think we're asking for. Notice that CCP dropped the copyright on "EVE Legion" because they doubtlessly realized just as the rest of us did that taking the current version of Dust and slapping it on PC with some shinier graphics wasn't going to fix anything. I hope that clears this up. Legion was a total rebuild on top of a heavily customized version of UE3. The Legion copyright was dropped because the amazing mess which was FF14 tarnished that name into oblivion. Whatever happened with that rebuild and the possible naming of it went totally up in the air when the storm had finally passed from the most epic PR failure I have ever witnessed live. Legion was a total rebuild of gameplay mechanics that would still run on the current heavily customized UE3. I watched all the videos they uploaded from the convention. Given that the current "heavily customized" version of UE3 can't even render some interior spaces without dropping your framerate below playable levels, what the heck makes you think that would have succeeded? That's not even to mention the still persistent memory leak that's never been addressed. How many people do you think would still be playing EVE Legion when they realized that the amount of RAM they have determines how long they can play the game before the framerate drops through the floor? Anyone else remember Battlefield 4? How it was when it first launched? Yeah, that would have been EVE Legion. That is somewhat correct. The difference is Legion started on a version of UE3 which had already been heavily customized along the way. Dust was a build as you go situation thanks to the game being forced off of Carbon and having to be rushed into production. There is some good discussion on it here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4581084 Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:18:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: deezy dabest wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. I think everyone with half a brain has accepted the fact that just slapping this on a new platform will do nothing what so ever. The issue is the rest of the people actually believe the rhetoric that the PS3 is the problem and not the fact that this game was built on a foundation of quicksand. As long as people keep dumping money into a bad game why would CCP have any reason to even attempt to improve or even consider leaving behind a cash cow like this. And why do you think this game was built on a foundation of quicksand? CCP was over ambitious for the platform, and we got what we got. I missed this post. The foundation of quick sand was due to 2 factors from my perspective. 1. Carbon seriously over using system resources on the PS3 to the point that Sony said no go thanks to all of the destroyed PS3s. 2. (This is only an assumption seen from the outside) Instead of hiring a few good UE3 consultants CCP basically decided to send the programmers in blind. Even great coders who know nothing about the "quirks" of something such as a full game engine are going to end up with a giant mess when they are trying to both build a game under a huge crunch as well as optimize said system. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
Death Shadow117 Wolf Pack Special Forces Rise Of Legion. 888	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:41:00 - [16] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: the old hardware is holding back A LOT of the potential. We can't even have trees cause of the mesh count... When it does move to current gen/PC they can do a lot more with the game A lot of the problems ccp is having with the hardware stems from the sockets taking up too much data and the ps3 having to render a giant ass map everytime you load into a game. True the problem is the ps3 not being able to handle the load of dust but the reason it can't is exactly what I stated. If we want things fixed dust will have to shut down for awhile and get fixed what we want can't happen in a day
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 729	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:44:00 - [17] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: the old hardware is holding back A LOT of the potential. We can't even have trees cause of the mesh count... When it does move to current gen/PC they can do a lot more with the game A lot of the problems ccp is having with the hardware stems from the sockets taking up too much data and the ps3 having to render a giant ass map everytime you load into a game. True the problem is the ps3 not being able to handle the load of dust but the reason it can't is exactly what I stated. If we want things fixed dust will have to shut down for awhile and get fixed what we want can't happen in a day But what about battlefield, with larger maps? It is the coding, not the system. Also Skyrim renders perfectly (yea i know its not multiplayer but theres ALOT more stuff in that game then this one) I'm back Rainbow Dash I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:52:00 - [18] - Quote Boykos we should cut nonsence of this. Basicaly there is still work to do in Dust 514 here on Ps3. We hope all hope for good of dust and that is core. *"Who is postapo?!"*
Dreis ShadowWeaver Dead Man's Game 8	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:56:00 - [19] - Quote Literally no one wants a straight-up port of DUST as it is right now. No one. What we want is for DUST to be fixed and improved upon during the transition period. That's not to say that we should have DUST perfect on the PS3 before we port, as that's not going to happen, and is not going to help. We want DUST to be as it was intended to be. We want the glorious dream realised, and we want it on a more powerful system that can handle all that. A more powerful system that actually isn't dead/dying. Perhaps that will mean that DUST will cease to exist for a time whilst the new version is made. Who knows how long this will take. Over a year? Perhaps. But I'm sure we would all believe it would be worth the wait, to have DUST as it was meant to be, completed and perfect, fully integrated with EVE. RIP Nova Knifers United
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 729	Posted - 2015.11.29 16:57:00 - [20] - Quote Cat merc I got you that 1 like you needed :) didn't even red your post yet I'm back Rainbow Dash I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati

postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:03:00 - [21] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Literally no one wants a straight-up port of DUST as it is right now. No one. What we want is for DUST to be fixed and improved upon during the transition period. That's not to say that we should have DUST perfect on the PS3 before we port, as that's not going to happen, and is not going to help. We want DUST to be as it was intended to be. We want the glorious dream realised, and we want it on a more powerful system that can handle all that. A more powerful system that actually isn't dead/dying. Perhaps that will mean that DUST will cease to exist for a time whilst the new version is made. Who knows how long this will take. Over a year? Perhaps. But I'm sure we would all believe it would be worth the wait, to have DUST as it was meant to be, completed and perfect, fully integrated with EVE. Dreis boyko You know i agree with most. But honestly what will be easyfix issue or remade game once more. This is real question, because we all know Ps3 is not issue, reall roblem is coding. And i honestly starts to thing that legion what we saw in past was just another instalment for Ps3 and DUST. Heavily utilized U3 engine? Ask yourself why they want to use U3 engine for upcoming console. More logical step is prefix of faulty core mechanix in existing program. ERGO What if Legion was/is actually project to revive DUST through heavily improved engine? I know it just idea, but you never know. BTW this is not rumor mongering it is just my cohesive/association style thinking ;) "Who is postapo?!"*
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 729	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:05:00 - [22] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Literally no one wants a straight-up port of DUST as it is right now. No one. What we want is for DUST to be fixed and improved upon during the transition period. That's not to say that we should have DUST perfect on the PS3 before we port, as that's not going to happen, and is not going to help. We want DUST to be as it was intended to be. We want the glorious dream realised, and we want it on a more powerful system that can handle all that. A more powerful system that actually isn't dead/dying. Perhaps that will mean that DUST will cease to exist for a time whilst the new version is made. Who knows how long this will take. Over a year? Perhaps. But I'm sure we would all believe it would be worth the wait, to have DUST as it was meant to be, completed and perfect, fully integrated with EVE. Dreis boyko You know i agree with most. But honestly what will be easyfix issue or remade game once more. This is real question, because we all know Ps3 is not issue, reall roblem is coding. And i honestly starts to thing that legion what we saw in past was just another instalment for Ps3 and DUST. Heavily utilized U3 engine? Ask yourself why they want to use U3 engine for upcoming console. More logical step is prefix of faulty core mechanix in existing program. ERGO What if Legion was/is actually project to revive DUST through heavily improved engine? I know it just idea, but you never know. *BTW this is not rumor mongering it is just my cohesive/association style thinking ;) Remaking the game would just cause more problems. Its very hard to code and with a relaunch there would be soooooo many bugs I'm back Rainbow Dash I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:08:00 - [23] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Literally no one wants a straight-up port of DUST as it is right now. No one. What we want is for DUST to be fixed and improved upon during the transition period. That's not to say that we should have DUST perfect on the PS3 before we port, as that's not going to happen, and is not going to help. We want DUST to be as it was intended to be. We want the glorious dream realised, and we want it on a more powerful system that can handle all that. A more powerful system that actually isn't dead/dying. Perhaps that will mean that DUST will cease to exist for a time whilst the new version is made. Who knows how long this will take. Over a year? Perhaps. But I'm sure we would all believe it would be worth the wait, to have DUST as it was meant to be, completed and perfect, fully integrated with EVE. Dreis boyko You know i agree with most. But honestly what will be easyfix issue or remade game once more. This is real question, because we all know Ps3 is not issue, reall roblem is coding. And i honestly starts to thing that legion what we saw in past was just another instalment for Ps3 and DUST. Heavily utilized U3 engine? Ask yourself why they want to use U3 engine for upcoming console. More logical step is prefix of faulty core mechanix in existing program. ERGO What if Legion was/is actually project to revive DUST through heavily improved engine? I know it just idea, but you never know. BTW this is not rumor mongering it is just my cohesive/association style thinking ;) Remaking the game would just cause more problems. Its very hard to code and with a relaunch there would be soooooo many bugs I know and that is more reasonable to prefix what you have. Making new game from start will ahve another bugs, another issues and that is reasson why i believe there is still chance to fix what is broken. Everything made can be fixed. "Who is postapo?!"*
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 730	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:10:00 - [24] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Literally no one wants a straight-up port of DUST as it is right now. No one. What we want is for DUST to be fixed and improved upon during the transition period. That's not to say that we should have DUST perfect on the PS3 before we port, as that's not going to happen, and is not going to help. We want DUST to be as it was intended to be. We want the glorious dream realised, and we want it on a more powerful system that can handle all that. A more powerful system that actually isn't dead/dying. Perhaps that will mean that DUST will cease to exist for a time whilst the new version is made. Who knows how long this will take. Over a year? Perhaps. But I'm sure we would all believe it would be worth the wait, to have DUST as it was meant to be, completed and perfect, fully integrated with EVE. Dreis boyko You know i agree with most. But honestly what will be easyfix issue or remade game once more. This is real question, because we all know Ps3 is not issue, reall roblem is coding. And i honestly starts to thing that legion what we saw in past was just another instalment for Ps3 and DUST. Heavily utilized U3 engine? Ask yourself why they want to use U3 engine for upcoming console. More logical step is prefix of faulty core mechanix in existing program. ERGO What if Legion was/is actually project to revive DUST through heavily improved engine? I know it just idea, but you never know. *BTW this is not rumor mongering it is just my cohesive/association style thinking ;) Remaking the game would just cause more problems. Its very hard to code and with a relaunch there would be soooooo many bugs I know and that is more reasonable to prefix what you have. Making new game from start will ahve another bugs, another issues and that is reasson why i believe there is still chance to fix what is broken. Everything made can be fixed. Except autistic babies (i really hope i dont get banned for that lol) I'm back Rainbow Dash I have DESTROYED CCP Rattati
Dreis Shadowweaver Dead Man's Game 8	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:13:00 - [25] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Everything made can be fixed. DUST was never made as it was supposed to be from the start. How can you fix something that never existed? RIP Nova Knifers United
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:14:00 - [26] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Everything made can be fixed. DUST was never made as it was supposed to be from the start. How can you fix something that never existed? C-¦mon we playing existing game boyko ;) And honestly one of my philosophies is:"Everything needs to be completed." *"Who is postapo?!"*
Dreis Shadowweaver Dead Man's Game 8	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:16:00 - [27] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Everything made can be fixed. DUST was never made as it was supposed to be from the start. How can you fix something that never existed? C-¦mon we playing existing game boyko ;) ... Go and have a look at some of the grand ideas that were being promoted before DUST was even released. Now come back to me and say we are playing that game. Pro tip: You can't. RIP Nova Knifers United
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:19:00 - [28] - Quote I thought that people knew that when we say "port dust" we also intended that dust be improved/changed/fixedup/reworked/rewritten/watever in the process of porting it. Improving the game is kinda why alot of us want a port. A straight port of how dust currently is now would be bad because of how broken it is. Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:20:00 - [29] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: Literally no one wants a straight-up port of DUST as it is right now. No one. What we want is for DUST to be fixed and improved upon during the transition period. That's not to say that we should have DUST perfect on the PS3 before we port, as that's not going to happen, and is not going to help. We want DUST to be as it was intended to be. We want the glorious dream realised, and we want it on a more powerful system that can handle all that. A more powerful system that actually isn't dead/dying. Perhaps that will mean that DUST will cease to exist for a time whilst the new version is made. Who knows how long this will take. Over a year? Perhaps. But I'm sure we would all believe it would be worth the wait, to have DUST as it was meant to be, completed and perfect, fully integrated with EVE. Dreis boyko You know i agree with most. But honestly what will be easyfix issue or remade game once more. This is real question, because we all know Ps3 is not issue, reall roblem is coding. And i honestly starts to thing that legion what we saw in past was just another instalment for Ps3 and DUST. Heavily utilized U3 engine? Ask yourself why they want to use U3 engine for upcoming console. More logical step is prefix of faulty core mechanix in existing program. ERGO What if Legion was/is actually project to revive DUST through heavily improved engine? I know it just idea, but you never know. BTW this is not rumor mongering it is just my cohesive/association style thinking ;) Remaking the game would just cause more problems. Its very hard to code and with a relaunch there would be soooooo many bugs I know and that is more reasonable to prefix what you have. Making new game from start will ahve another bugs, another issues and that is reasson why i believe there is still chance to fix what is broken. Everything made can be fixed. Except autistic babies (i really hope i dont get banned for that lol) You know boyko I have asperger syndrome and fixing thigies is little OCD situation for me. I got your joke, but trust me there is nothing to fix on autistic people. They just have different view, different perception on world around. "Who is postapo?!"*
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:23:00 - [30] - Quote Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Everything made can be fixed. DUST was never made as it was supposed to be from the start. How can you fix something that never existed? C-¦mon we playing existing game boyko ;) ... Go and have a look at some of the grand ideas that were being promoted before DUST was even released. Now come back to me and say we are playing that game. Pro tip: You can't. What happened to you. From idealist to really sour and nihilistic boyko. We pushed for good of game. Not for bashing like this. *"Who is postapo?!"*

postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:26:00 - [31] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: I thought that people knew that when we say "port dust" we also intended that dust be improved/changed/fixedup/reworked/rewritten/watever in the process of porting it. Improving the game is kinda why alot of us want a port. A straight port of how dust currently is now would be bad because of how broken it is. Porting broken code will not improve anything. *"Who is postapo?!"*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:45:00 - [32] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: I thought that people knew that when we say "port dust" we also intended that dust be improved/changed/fixedup/reworked/rewritten/watever in the process of porting it. Improving the game is kinda why alot of us want a port. A straight port of how dust currently is now would be bad because of how broken it is. Porting broken code will not improve anything. As it has been said multiple times in this thread: we are not looking for a copy/paste of the current Dust code. Pay attention. A port would give CCP the opportunity to correct legacy code mistakes as they migrate from PS3 to PC/PS4. And, as Mobius mentioned, it probably isn't possible to do a direct copy/paste of Dust code anyway due to the PS3's strange OS. Become the phoenix, rise again
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:50:00 - [33] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: reworked/rewritten/watever in the process of porting it. Porting broken code will not improve anything. So you gonna quote me but ignore what i said in the stuff you quoted huh? Is that whats hot in the streets now? Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:54:00 - [34] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: I thought that people knew that when we say "port dust" we also intended that dust be improved/changed/fixedup/reworked/rewritten/watever in the process of porting it. Improving the game is kinda why alot of us want a port. A straight port of how dust currently is now would be bad because of how broken it is. Porting broken code will not improve anything. As it has been said multiple times in this thread: we are not looking for a copy/paste of the current Dust code. Pay attention. A port would give CCP the opportunity to correct legacy code mistakes as they migrate from PS3 to PC/PS4. And, as Mobius mentioned, it probably isn't possible to do a direct copy/paste of Dust code anyway due to the PS3's strange OS. I know you talking i can read. I just still dont know what you want to fix if you not looking for copy/paste ;) And no it is not possible cause the infrastructure difference between systems. I just dont know why everyone want desperately "port" (what is actually not port, but some remake) when we know the mistake can be fixed here. Or its just hunt for dust on new platform? Because i can understand that but still, DUST need to me fixed before Pc/Ps4 version can be out. And all this can be made here on Ps3 first ;) *"Who is postapo?!"*
Cat Merc Negative-Feedback. Negative-Feedback 18	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:54:00 - [35] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: That is somewhat correct. The difference is Legion started on a version of UE3 which had already been heavily customized along the way. Dust was a build as you go situation thanks to the game being forced off of Carbon and having to be rushed into production. There is some good discussion on it here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4581084 EVE forums are hardly the place to get proper well thought out info about DUST. They don't know much at all about this game. They act like they do, but from what I've seen they only know what marketing and the Mittani shoved down their throats. And even that's not accurate often times. Anyway, the engine we use now IS a heavily modified UE3. It's closer to what Legion uses than stock UE3. Ripley Riley: > Post Hotfix Foxour Gallente Assault: > DakkadakkadakkadakkaFREEDOMdakkadakka
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 17:56:00 - [36] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: deezy dabest wrote: That is somewhat correct. The difference is Legion started on a version of UE3 which had already been heavily customized along the way. Dust was a build as you go situation thanks to the game being forced off of Carbon and having to be rushed into production. There is some good discussion on it here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4581084 EVE forums are hardly the place to get proper well thought out info about DUST. They don't know much at all about this game. They act like they do, but from what I've seen they only know what marketing and the Mittani shoved down their throats. And even that's not accurate often times. Anyway, the engine we use now IS a heavily modified UE3. It's closer to what Legion uses than stock UE3. That is reason why i start to think if the Legion is actually modified dust what can be implemented on Ps3 too ;) *"Who is postapo?!"*
Dreis ShadowWeaver Dead Man's Game 8	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:03:00 - [37] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Dreis ShadowWeaver wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Everything made can be fixed. DUST was never made as it was supposed to be from the start. How can you fix something that never existed? C-¦mon we playing existing game boyko ;) ... Go and have a look at some of the grand ideas that were being promoted before DUST was even released. Now come back to me and say we are playing that game. Pro tip: You can't. What happened to you. From idealist to really sour and nihilistic boyko. We pushed for good of game. Not for bashing like this. What happened to me? What happened to you?! You're making out that you don't want a port, and that you think the game is perfect where it is now. I'm really confused. You were campaigning alongside me when we were organising the boycott for a port. So what, you no longer want a port? Surely you can't be saying that you are content with the game in its current state? The whole reason we were pushing for a port was that we were not content! A port will offer the game many more opportunities. RIP Nova Knifers United
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:03:00 - [38] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: I know you talking i can read. I just still dont know what you want to fix if you not looking for copy/paste ;) There is plenty to fix in Dust 514 that would not involve copy/pasting so I'm not sure what you are getting at here ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) postapo wastelander wrote: when we know the mistake can be fixed here. And all this can be made here on Ps3 first ;) No, actually, that is not the case. The PS3 is out of memory and the legacy code is a nightmare. Add to that, the PS3 is a console in it's dying days. The PS4 is the most rapidly growing console on the market and PC is... well... it's PC (see: massive potential customer base). ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) You can polish the turd that is Dust (PS3) all you want, but Dust is sunk if it remains on PS3 for very much longer. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) postapo wastelander wrote: That is reason why i start to think if the Legion is actually modified dust what can be implemented on Ps3 too ;) If what we saw at FF14 was put on the PS3 the damn thing would explode into deadly shrapnel. Become the phoenix, rise again
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:21:00 - [39] - Quote I want make things better i just do not see reason to bashing everything around. If there will be Pc/Ps4 version good. But honestly fixed version can be here and can be on ps4 too. Content can be on ps3 too all its just matter of coding. Nothing else. If i will be on lead of this project i will push for fix of Dust for good of the future ps4 version. Because i honestly do not trust that change of platform will somehow miraculously fix what is still broken. Thants all. *"Who is postapo?!"*
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 730	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:22:00 - [40] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: I want make things better i just do not see reason to bashing everything around. But honestly fixed version can be here and can be on ps4 too. Content can be on ps3 too all its just matter of coding. I'm back Rainbow Dash CCP Broke my link

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:25:00 - [41] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: I want make things better i just do not see reason to bashing everything around. If there will be Pc/Ps4 version good. But honestly fixed version can be here and can be on ps4 too. Content can be on ps3 too all its just matter of coding. Nothing else. If i will be on lead of this project i will push for fix of Dust for good of the future ps4 version. Because i honestly do not trust that change of platform will somehow miraculously fix what is still broken. Thants all. What I am trying to tell you is, by the time to fixed that 'just a matter of coding"* the PS3 will have been taken out back and humanely shot. There is no point in investing countless labor hours correcting terrible legacy code on PS3 when that time can be spent on a PC/PS4 game that has a growing player population. *: it's hilarious to hear people who don't program talk about something "just being" this or that. You don't know the sad state of Dust's code or how difficult it could be to fix. Ask one of the CPMs if you want: I can guarantee that there is a MOUNTAIN of things they want to put in Dust but they cannot due to terrible coding or the PS3's sub-par hardware. Become the phoenix, rise again
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:27:00 - [42] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: I know you talking i can read. I just still dont know what you want to fix if you not looking for copy/paste ;) There is plenty to fix in Dust 514 that would not involve copy/pasting so I'm not sure what you are getting at here ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) postapo wastelander wrote: when we know the mistake can be fixed here. And all this can be made here on Ps3 first ;) No, actually, that is not the case. The PS3 is out of memory and the legacy code is a nightmare. Add to that, the PS3 is a console in it's dying days. The PS4 is the most rapidly growing console on the market and PC is... well... it's PC (see: massive potential customer base). ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) You can polish the turd that is Dust (PS3) all you want, but Dust is sunk if it remains on PS3 for very much longer. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) postapo wastelander wrote: That is reason why i start to think if the Legion is actually modified dust what can be implemented on Ps3 too ;) If what we saw at FF14 was put on the PS3 the damn thing would explode into deadly shrapnel. Out of memory my you know what XD mirrors edge - graphics, move, great maps battlefield - great maps, effects, vehicles motorstorm serie - great maps plus third one completely destroable assets on maps and i mean that was whole buildings starhawk - great maps, effects, realtime interactive building, vehicles mag - 256 players on biggest mode in real time and interactive tactical map All these games had big features and i never saw issues. Stop with memory nonsence already. If other games can have it, why Dust cannot that is question what you should ask ;) *"Who is postapo?!"*
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:31:00 - [43] - Quote Bruh, fixing it on the PS3 would mean that the game would still be limited by what the PS3 can do. Fixing it while porting it to PS4/PC would give the developers greater flexibility for the game moving forward. Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:42:00 - [44] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: Bruh, fixing it on the PS3 would mean that the game would still be limited by what the PS3 can do. Fixing it while porting it to PS4/PC would give the developers greater flexibility for the game moving forward. Honestly someone who is limited on one system and cannot fix problem will have same issue on different system. There will be still some bug and platforms are not thing what gives you flexibility, but your experience taht gives you that flexibility. Its like opening the lock. Some people will everytime needs keys. But others can opent the lock without that keys. *"Who is postapo?!"*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:46:00 - [45] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Out of memory my you know what XD mirrors edge - graphics, move, great maps battlefield - great maps, effects, vehicles motorstorm serie - great maps plus third one completely destroable assets on maps and i mean that was whole buildings starhawk - great maps, effects, realtime interactive building, vehicles mag - 256 players on biggest mode in real time and interactive tactical map All these games had big features and i never saw issues. Stop with memory nonsence already. If other games can have it, why Dust cannot that is question what you should ask ;) All great games and all utilized the PS3's capabilities to the fullest. So you want to devote potentially thousands of labor hours polishing Dust 514 on the PS3 so it can meet the minimum standard of quality for a LAST GENERATION console? No, if CCP is going to spend that much time on something then it would be better spent putting Dust on PC/PS4 where the game has a chance to actually grow. Adding to this, the PC/PS4 are easier to develop for in general. We want to make updating Dust as painless as possible for CCP and the PS3's weird cell architecture hinders them. Out of curiosity... you don't have a mid-range PC or PS4, do you? Become the phoenix, rise again
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 18:52:00 - [46] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Out of memory my you know what XD mirrors edge - graphics, move, great maps battlefield - great maps, effects, vehicles motorstorm serie - great maps plus third one completely destroable assets on maps and i mean that was whole buildings starhawk - great maps, effects, realtime interactive building, vehicles mag - 256 players on biggest mode in real time and interactive tactical map All these games had big features and i never saw issues. Stop with memory nonsence already. If other games can have it, why Dust cannot that is question what you should ask ;) All great games and all utilized the PS3's capabilities to the fullest. So you want to devote potentially thousands of labor hours polishing Dust 514 on the PS3 so it can meet the minimum standard of quality for a LAST GENERATION console? No, if CCP is going to spend that much time on something then it would be better spent putting Dust on PC/PS4 where the game has a chance to actually grow. Adding to this, the PC/PS4 are easier to develop for in general. We want to make updating Dust as painless as possible for CCP and the PS3's weird cell architecture hinders them. Out of curiosity... you don't have a mid-range PC or PS4, do you? Im just scared the dust 2.0 will be released unstable/unfinished like our dust what we have now. That is reasson why i will morelikely go for fix here/now and release port later polished. I just do not trust in hype anymore ;) And about that Pc/Ps4, i have not ps4 because i do not see any quality titles except Fallout 4. I have Pc but i using it for writing and playing reeeaaalllyyy old games 90-¦s, but i can play FarCry 4 on ergo i thing it is not that bad ;) *"Who is postapo?!"*
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:01:00 - [47] - Quote postapo wastelander wrote: Im just scared the dust 2.0 will be released unstable/unfinished like our dust what we have now. That is reasson why i will morelikely go for fix here/now and release port later polished. I just do not trust in hype anymore If Dust is to be ported then CCP will have to rebuild many parts of the game from the ground up and, in the process, correct mistakes they made along the way. Shanghai is under new management now with CCP Rouge and Rattati at the helm, two people who have done their absolute best with what they were given. How about we let them put Dust on PC/PS4 where it can shine? And I will state again that by the time you work out all the kinks and bugs in current iteration of Dust 514 our concurrent logins will be peaking at 500 on the weekends. The time required to fix Dust (PS3) at this point offers a very poor return on investment. Become the phoenix, rise again
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:01:00 - [48] - Quote I just can't even right now. kk. New approach. If you wanted to teach a r**arded northern antarctic tree elephant to parallel park would you want to use a truck with or without power steering? Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:06:00 - [49] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: If you wanted to teach a r**arded northern antarctic tree elephant to parallel park would you want to use a truck with or without power steering? Trick question. The answer is Constantinople. Become the phoenix, rise again
postapo wastelander Corrosive Synergy 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:11:00 - [50] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: postapo wastelander wrote: Im just scared the dust 2.0 will be released unstable/unfinished like our dust what we have now. That is reasson why i will morelikely go for fix here/now and release port later polished. I just do not trust in hype anymore If Dust is to be ported then CCP will have to rebuild many parts of the game from the ground up and, in the process, correct mistakes they made along the way. Shanghai is under new management now with CCP Rouge and Rattati at the helm, two people who have done their absolute best with what they were given. How about we let them put Dust on PC/PS4 where it can shine? And I will state again that by the time you work out all the kinks and bugs in current iteration of Dust 514 our concurrent logins will be peaking at 500 on the weekends. The time required to fix Dust (PS3) at this point offers a very poor return on investment. Im possitive about game, but i lost my illusion too. I have better idea. I will be more pragmatic and instead of counting cons and pluses of both ideas i will silently wait till fix/port/doom/spagethi monster arives ;) *"Who is postapo?!"*

Squagga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:21:00 - [51] - Quote This game has been dying for years now. And the end of day has been going on the entire time. Yes, there are numerous numerous problems. A port would fix a couple things though. A port would get the game more recognition. Which would get us more players. Which would get them more money. The game is funded on people buying AUR. With more money, they could fix more things It's only slaughter. We're only lions. It's only blood
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:24:00 - [52] - Quote Squagga wrote: This game has been dying for years now. And the end of day has been going on the entire time. Yes, there are numerous numerous problems. A port would fix a couple things though. A port would get the game more recognition. Which would get us more players. Which would get them more money. The game is funded on people buying AUR. With more money, they could fix more things GIVE THIS MERC A CIGAR! This. This so very much. Become the phoenix, rise again
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 731	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:27:00 - [53] - Quote Squagga wrote: This game has been dying for years now. And the end of day has been going on the entire time. Yes, there are numerous numerous problems. A port would fix a couple things though. A port would get the game more recognition. Which would get us more players. Which would get them more money. The game is funded on people buying AUR. With more money, they could fix more things But with that money, will they fix things? I'm back Rainbow Dash CCP Broke my link
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:29:00 - [54] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. Most of us know that. Besides even if dust was ported i might not even go back to playing it. The amount of problems in the game out weigh the actual fun factors. If they did a thing like destiny where you can play against AI then i might come back but after this event ill be playing a lot less. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:29:00 - [55] - Quote If they want the money to continue pouring in: yes. It's basic business sense. Become the phoenix, rise again
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 19:40:00 - [56] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: If they want the money to continue pouring in: yes. It's basic business sense. They still have a contract to complete with sony. Kinda like phone carriers contracts cost a lot to break off anyway. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Squagga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.11.29 21:48:00 - [57] - Quote Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: Squagga wrote: This game has been dying for years now. And the end of day has been going on the entire time. Yes, there are numerous numerous problems. A port would fix a couple things though. A port would get the game more recognition. Which would get us more players. Which would get them more money. The game is funded on people buying AUR. With more money, they could fix more things But with that money, will they fix things? Well ... Yes/no. It's CCP for christ sake. Also, someone pointed out, in this thread. Fixing things here, wouldn't help what would happen in a port. Also, wether this game dies or not, the PS3 is very quickly coming to the end of its life... It's only slaughter. We're only lions. It's only blood
Dreis ShadowWeaver Dead Man's Game 8	Posted - 2015.11.29 21:53:00 - [58] - Quote Union118 wrote: Diablo Gamekeeper wrote: I just want to say a port won't fix much when most of the problems lie in the coding. A port will improve some things but not much will be fixed. Most of us know that. Besides even if dust was ported i might not even go back to playing it. The amount of problems in the game out weigh the actual fun factors. If they did a thing like destiny where you can play against AI then i might come back but after this event ill be playing a lot less. I'm going to bookmark this for prosperity, just as Viktor bookmarked that other post where you claimed to be quitting long ago. RIP Nova Knifers United
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 13	Posted - 2015.11.29 21:54:00 - [59] - Quote Union118 wrote: They still have a contract to complete with sony. Kinda like phone carriers contracts cost a lot to break off anyway. There is a not an exclusivity agreement with Sony. CCP confirmed it months ago in a blue post. I will try to find it. Become the phoenix, rise again
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 642	Posted - 2015.11.29 21:55:00 - [60] - Quote We can dream can't we? Plus it should be easier for CCP to work with the higher specs a PS4 brings to the table.

Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 2	Posted - 2015.11.29 22:11:00 - [61] - Quote its fix the memory leak lagging you out every few hours my pc has 32gb memory ..so it should take like over 10 hours for that leak to even tax my system plus enhanced graphics ...right off the bat ONE UNIVERSE ONE WAR ONE MOTHER kitten GOD kitten SYSTEM PORTDUST514
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 5	Posted - 2015.11.29 22:12:00 - [62] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: its fix the memory leak lagging you out every few hours my pc has 32gb memory ..so it should take like over 10 hours for that leak to even tax my system plus enhanced graphics ...right off the bat Does windows even allow that much memory to be used by a single application? Usually banned for being too awesome.
Mortedeamor The Black Masquerade 2	Posted - 2015.11.30 00:14:00 - [63] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: its fix the memory leak lagging you out every few hours my pc has 32gb memory ..so it should take like over 10 hours for that leak to even tax my system plus enhanced graphics ...right off the bat Does windows even allow that much memory to be used by a single application? ark burns 17gb on my machine ark survival evolved so even if it doesnt at the very least we would have 17 times what we do now While the maximum RAM limit for 32-bit Windows 7 editions is 4GB, when it comes to the 64-bit editions, the amount of memory that the OS can address depends on which edition you are running. Here are the upper RAM limits for the different editions of Windows 7: Starter: 8GB Home Basic: 8GB Home Premium: 16GB Professional: 192GB Enterprise: 192GB Ultimate: 192GB source http://www.zdnet.com/article/max-memory-limits-for-64-bit-windows-7/ ONE UNIVERSE ONE WAR ONE MOTHER kitten GOD kitten SYSTEM PORTDUST514
Ghost Steps G0DS AM0NG MEN 32	Posted - 2015.11.30 01:07:00 - [64] - Quote Lets look at the logical point of vew, the have a game with lots of potencial in the market, they are slowly twaking the game to get a final result, maybe this is just a long beta test (very enjpyyable on my opinion with some downsides), CCP wont throw away all the hard work they have put on the game. Caldari Scouts should be Ninjas.
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 733	Posted - 2015.11.30 01:21:00 - [65] - Quote Ghost Steps wrote: Lets look at the logical point of vew, the have a game with lots of potencial in the market, they are slowly twaking the game to get a final result, maybe this is just a long beta test (very enjpyyable on my opinion with some downsides), CCP wont throw away all the hard work they have put on the game. yeah they will I'm back Rainbow Dash CCP Broke my link
Squagga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 1	Posted - 2015.11.30 01:23:00 - [66] - Quote Would they throw away all the work they've done? Or is a financial loss, a financial loss? What do you think is a better question? It's only slaughter. We're only lions. It's only blood
Diablo Gamekeeper Anunnakii 733	Posted - 2015.11.30 01:31:00 - [67] - Quote Squagga wrote: Would they throw away all the work they've done? Or is a financial loss, a financial loss? What do you think is a better question? they will I'm back Rainbow Dash CCP Broke my link


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