DUST Search - The Logi Event that never was

Crazy Cat Lady wrote:

Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:

Cat, if you had read anything the CPM have been saying, you'd know that we literally can't make logi specific missions. To do so would require programming completely new missions, and that would take more time and resources than we have access to right now.

We came as close as we could with Warpoints, because that's what logis do, and the repair tool BPO.

Hey Darth :)

You are right, I haven't spent time enough time on the game/forums recently to be properly across the CPM's position on this event. This post is a response to the 'big picture' issue.

As someone who has been desperate for a logi event my whole dust life- its really disappointing. Yep, I hear the limitation and constraints of events being tied to missions now days- and that we don't have logi specific missions (also disappointing but outside the scope of this thread).- and yeah you guys did the best you could do with the current mission set up. And lovely to have a BPO rep tool for those who want one.

But the big picture point is- it just isn't good. As a logi event it misses the mark. As the first logi even in three years (or however long we have all been here).. It is a huge disappointment.

Could we not have a little bit of attention from the developers and did something more than a 'glorified mission'? Like I said, there is existing stuff/data that may have been utilized. When the 'officer weapon naming' event was on the developers built something special especially for it.

It just sux Darth :(

xx
ps. I read this thread and know that I have now become one of those complainers who I always hated- sad times.

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Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana 282	Posted - 2015.11.18 19:15:00 - [1] - Quote For those who donGÇÖt know me, I'm a logi. About as logi and any logi can really get. My KD/Lifetime WP is a testament to my full, and at times stupid, commitment to this role. I could never participate in past Dust514 events- you see I donGÇÖt really shoot things . I, like other logis, have longed all these years for a special logi event. Maybe one like the rest of you got - the reward being an officer rep tool you could name .... "kitten mittens repair tool" btw. But alas. Never about us. No glory. No challenge.. Until now. As you can understand when Cypher, recently appointed Tyrant King of Opus, told me about a logi event I was very excited. Yay. This event would bring me back online after letting go of this game several months ago. I'm sad. This event is dumb. It has nothing to do with being a logi. The 10K WP task isn't even linked to anything meaningful (e.g. equipment related points). We have a healing stat at the end of every match- we could have at least done something with that. In my humble logi opinion the "logi event" is dumb. Meow. Crazy Cat Lady xx I try really hard and die.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 1	Posted - 2015.11.18 19:31:00 - [2] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady for Empress Best Logi Tyrant King, Opus Arcana
maybe deadcatz Serris Inc 1	Posted - 2015.11.18 19:37:00 - [3] - Quote Catz approves of whatever just happened. Ha!You can't kill me! I'm already dead!
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 12	Posted - 2015.11.18 19:40:00 - [4] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: It has nothing to do with being a logi. The 10K WP task isn't even linked to anything meaningful (e.g. equipment related points). We have a healing stat at the end of every match- we could have at least done something with that. Posted this elsewhere, but it still holds true... We don't have the ability to differentiate between WPs earned from say, Kills, and WPs earned from Triage and Team Resupply. We may never have that capability with the current iteration of DUST 514. ahem #PortDust514 ahem That being said, this is the best CCP can create for logis considering their limited tools available to them. WPs are actually attainable to logis without having to swap roles entirely and it's a damn decent bit better than earning 514 friggn' kills. The repair tool reward will be the first non-militia repair tool BPO, as far as I know. TL;DR - It's not perfect, but "some is better than none" as they say. Become the phoenix, rise again
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.18 19:45:00 - [5] - Quote All of what you say is true. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying TaireiGÇÖs CrimsonGÇÖ AM-L skins 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana 284	Posted - 2015.11.18 22:57:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: We don't have the ability to differentiate between WPs earned from say, Kills, and WPs earned from Triage and Team Resupply. We may never have that capability with the current iteration of DUST 514. ahem #PortDust514 ahem That being said, this is the best CCP can create for logis considering their limited tools available to them. .... TL;DR - It's not perfect, but "some is better than none" as they say. We aren't running this game and event on my Sega Mega-Drive or Gameboy..... There are ample tools... add science + maths + nerd power... 1. There are existing algorithms in the back of this game that can differentiate between WP earned from different equipment (the traige cap on the rep tool is evidence of this). 2. The healing stats on the end of match screen- another existing data source Just an example of existing infrastructure and capabilities that can be drawn upon. But then.. what about some CCP dude spend a day, write up a bit of code to connect some tables and create something specifically for a ' Logi-event'. - Ta Da!!! Dont get me wrong- love the positivity and I agree about being grateful for logi-event at last.. but honestly (coming from a super-optimistic logi person) this isn't really good enough I try really hard and die.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP Evil Syndicate Alliance. 4	Posted - 2015.11.18 23:04:00 - [7] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: For those who donGÇÖt know me, I'm a logi. About as logi and any logi can really get. My KD/Lifetime WP is a testament to my full, and at times stupid, commitment to this role. I could never participate in past Dust514 events- you see I donGÇÖt really shoot things . I, like other logis, have longed all these years for a special logi event. Maybe one like the rest of you got - the reward being an officer rep tool you could name .... "kitten mittens repair tool" btw. But alas. Never about us. No glory. No challenge.. Until now. As you can understand when Cypher, recently appointed Tyrant King of Opus, told me about a logi event I was very excited. Yay. This event would bring me back online after letting go of this game several months ago. I'm sad. This event is dumb. It has nothing to do with being a logi. The 10K WP task isn't even linked to anything meaningful (e.g. equipment related points). We have a healing stat at the end of every match- we could have at least done something with that. In my humble logi opinion the "logi event" is dumb. Meow. Crazy Cat Lady xx You make a very valid point on using healing given stat. I would think that can be linked to missions but who knows. Show there is a future #CCPSpeakOn514
jordy mack WarRavens Imperium Eden 901	Posted - 2015.11.18 23:49:00 - [8] - Quote agreed, it should have been healing given or revives. im leaning towards revives. Less QQ more PewPew
Booby Tuesdays Bad Mother Thukkers 2	Posted - 2015.11.19 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: We don't have the ability to differentiate between WPs earned from say, Kills, and WPs earned from Triage and Team Resupply. We may never have that capability with the current iteration of DUST 514. ahem #PortDust514 ahem That being said, this is the best CCP can create for logis considering their limited tools available to them. .... TL;DR - It's not perfect, but "some is better than none" as they say. We aren't running this game and event on my Sega Mega-Drive or Gameboy..... There are ample tools... add science + maths + nerd power... 1. There are existing algorithms in the back of this game that can differentiate between WP earned from different equipment (the traige cap on the rep tool is evidence of this). 2. The healing stats on the end of match screen- another existing data source Just an example of existing infrastructure and capabilities that can be drawn upon. But then.. what about some CCP dude spend a day, write up a bit of code to connect some tables and create something specifically for a ' Logi-event'. - Ta Da!!! Dont get me wrong- love the positivity and I agree about being grateful for logi-event at last.. but honestly (coming from a super-optimistic logi person) this isn't really good enough The issue is with the Daily Missions. They are currently not set up to differentiate between the types of WP. A while back Rat Man stickied a thread full of all kinds of cool ideas for daily missions, some of which are Logi centric. I have my fingers crossed that with 1.3, we will finally see daily missions that consist of real Logi work. Top the leader board with 0 kills and 0 deaths is one I am hoping to see. Once that is in place, then a true Logi event can be had. Until then, I'm just glad they even acknowledge Logis exist. Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
BILL O-REILLY Falconpunch Hatesurfers 3	Posted - 2015.11.19 03:37:00 - [10] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: For those who donGÇÖt know me, I'm a logi. About as logi and any logi can really get. My KD/Lifetime WP is a testament to my full, and at times stupid, commitment to this role. I could never participate in past Dust514 events- you see I donGÇÖt really shoot things . I, like other logis, have longed all these years for a special logi event. Maybe one like the rest of you got - the reward being an officer rep tool you could name .... "kitten mittens repair tool" btw. But alas. Never about us. No glory. No challenge.. Until now. As you can understand when Cypher, recently appointed Tyrant King of Opus, told me about a logi event I was very excited. Yay. This event would bring me back online after letting go of this game several months ago. I'm sad. This event is dumb. It has nothing to do with being a logi. The 10K WP task isn't even linked to anything meaningful (e.g. equipment related points). We have a healing stat at the end of every match- we could have at least done something with that. In my humble logi opinion the "logi event" is dumb. Meow. Crazy Cat Lady xx It's a good start. At least they finally have given an event with the purpose of support.

Russel Mendoza Klandatu 323	Posted - 2015.11.19 03:41:00 - [11] - Quote I thought this game can differentiate from kill pts to triage or team spwn or resupply pts. I am not a programmer so I will ask is it so hard to tally those points when the game knows what points to give you if you kill someone or heal someone. It even knows if someone spawn in your uplink or resupply in your nanohives. Just asking the coolcats who made the game is all. And please boycott the new event. Nyahahahahaha. I'm the biggest Dustard in the universe!!! Summoning technique "Gorgon no jutsu" Vehicle request accepted.
No-one-ganks like-Gaston Corrosive Synergy RUST415 349	Posted - 2015.11.19 03:50:00 - [12] - Quote Russel Mendoza wrote: I thought this game can differentiate from kill pts to triage or team spwn or resupply pts. I am not a programmer so I will ask is it so hard to tally those points when the game knows what points to give you if you kill someone or heal someone. It even knows if someone spawn in your uplink or resupply in your nanohives. Just asking the coolcats who made the game is all. And please boycott the new event. Nyahahahahaha. Good luck boycotting the event, just saying. One day is nothing for most people. But an event that requires only 10k WP and lasts a whole week? It'd be too easy to accidentally complete the event. Good luck getting people to stay off Dust for the entirety of the event when it offers a BPO, free AUR, and is easy as **** to complete. The thought that Dust 514 may one day be the game we dreamed it to be. It fills you with Determination!
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.11.19 03:56:00 - [13] - Quote assault slayer achieves 10k WP through kills gets a rep tool lol While you're right, it's the right that counts. As it stands, you'll never see any original event anymore, unless "Daily Missions 2.0" becomes a thing. Right now, events are only done through screened daily missions, giving you the reward instantly. There are no repair, revive, whatever missions available, so a true logi event is impossible with the current system. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 9	Posted - 2015.11.19 03:56:00 - [14] - Quote Russel Mendoza wrote: I thought this game can differentiate from kill pts to triage or team spwn or resupply pts. I am not a programmer so I will ask is it so hard to tally those points when the game knows what points to give you if you kill someone or heal someone. It even knows if someone spawn in your uplink or resupply in your nanohives. Just asking the coolcats who made the game is all. And please boycott the new event. Nyahahahahaha. I wish you'd boycott the forums. *Scouts United* Gk.0s & Quafes all day.
Zen Chi Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 6	Posted - 2015.11.19 05:03:00 - [15] - Quote A handicapped turtle could have thought of this 'event'.
xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx Eternal Beings 915	Posted - 2015.11.19 06:22:00 - [16] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: For those who donGÇÖt know me, I'm a logi. About as logi and any logi can really get. My KD/Lifetime WP is a testament to my full, and at times stupid, commitment to this role. I could never participate in past Dust514 events- you see I donGÇÖt really shoot things . I, like other logis, have longed all these years for a special logi event. Maybe one like the rest of you got - the reward being an officer rep tool you could name .... "kitten mittens repair tool" btw. But alas. Never about us. No glory. No challenge.. Until now. As you can understand when Cypher, recently appointed Tyrant King of Opus, told me about a logi event I was very excited. Yay. This event would bring me back online after letting go of this game several months ago. I'm sad. This event is dumb. It has nothing to do with being a logi. The 10K WP task isn't even linked to anything meaningful (e.g. equipment related points). We have a healing stat at the end of every match- we could have at least done something with that. In my humble logi opinion the "logi event" is dumb. Meow. Crazy Cat Lady xx The WP's are so easy to get for this event LOGi GOD // Master of Healers // *Director of Eternal Beings* // *GF-FA-NF Alumni Directorate*
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 5	Posted - 2015.11.19 13:35:00 - [17] - Quote Events now aren't so much about accomplishing a goal but more so a hand out. NoobCavman Has DS3 Sized Hands
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.11.19 13:55:00 - [18] - Quote The best events are the ones that encourage you to play differently than normal. So long as what that is is fun and constructive to winning battles. Just rewarding warpoints doesn't really do that, as everything earns warpoints, so you can just play how you always do. I actually consider the fact that logis earn more warpoints than other roles to be a problem, not something to celebrate. They can track warpoints, kills, assists and hacks. Could they not have approximated equipment warpoints by subtracting 50wp for each kill, 25 from each assist, and 100 from each hack, from the total warpoints gained? Still, nice to have a logi event. And it doesn't seem bad, just maybe could be better.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 1	Posted - 2015.11.19 16:43:00 - [19] - Quote [quote=Crazy Cat Lady]For those who donGÇÖt know me, I'm a logi. About as logi and any logi can really get. My KD/Lifetime WP is a testament to my full, and at times stupid, commitment to this role. I could never participate in past Dust514 events- you see I donGÇÖt really shoot things . I, like other logis, have longed all these years for a special logi event. Maybe one like the rest of you got - the reward being an officer rep tool you could name .... "kitten mittens repair tool" btw. But alas. Never about us. No glory. No challenge.. Until now. As you can understand when Cypher, recently appointed Tyrant King of Opus, told me about a logi event I was very excited. Yay. This event would bring me back online after letting go of this game several months ago. I'm sad. This event is dumb. It has nothing to do with being a logi. The 10K WP task isn't even linked to anything meaningful (e.g. equipment related points). We have a healing stat at the end of every match- we could have at least done something with that. In my humble logi opinion the "logi event" is dumb. Meow. Crazy Cat Lady xx It's a rather easy event in an attempt to be nice to us, and so far all you have all done is complain. Figures. This is just a trinket to keep us happy till 1.3 drops (which I'm guessing will be Christmas) Gêå You want a toe? I can get you a toe dude. Gêå Joined - 06-28-12 ~Deal with it~
I-Shayz-I I----------I 6	Posted - 2015.11.19 19:56:00 - [20] - Quote You should get online anyways around that time so we can go crazy with our OP black and blue logibros. I haven't played in months either Though while I agree that the event is dumb, the wp rewards themselves still have yet to be fixed to encourage using other types of support playstyles :/ 7162 wp with a Repair Tool!

Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.11.19 20:15:00 - [21] - Quote Cat, if you had read anything the CPM have been saying, you'd know that we literally can't make logi specific missions. To do so would require programming completely new missions, and that would take more time and resources than we have access to right now. We came as close as we could with Warpoints, because that's what logis do, and the repair tool BPO. "Sex is OK!" -CCP Rouge our benevolent overlord "Why does everyone fellatiate Darth? Why?!" -Aeon Amadi
Darth-Carbonite GIO Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 3	Posted - 2015.11.19 20:19:00 - [22] - Quote xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote: The WP's are so easy to get for this event It is easy by design. The last event, if you recall, required 514 kills and 20 wins. That was a challenging event, and a lot of new players couldn't earn it. We flipped the tables this time, and responded to feedback. Not every event is for "You." (I mean you in a general sense) "Sex is OK!" -CCP Rouge our benevolent overlord "Why does everyone fellatiate Darth? Why?!" -Aeon Amadi
Twelve Guage Random Gunz Rise Of Legion. 1	Posted - 2015.11.19 21:26:00 - [23] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote: The WP's are so easy to get for this event It is easy by design. The last event, if you recall, required 514 kills and 20 wins. That was a challenging event, and a lot of new players couldn't earn it. We flipped the tables this time, and responded to feedback. Not every event is for "You." (I mean you in a general sense) I love post like this it's a hell of a way to remind people that this game is not made for just them to play it. The Mistress of Massdrivers Buying TaireiGÇÖs CrimsonGÇÖ AM-L skins 4m ea Check out my thread in player
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana 297	Posted - 2015.11.20 02:04:00 - [24] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Cat, if you had read anything the CPM have been saying, you'd know that we literally can't make logi specific missions. To do so would require programming completely new missions, and that would take more time and resources than we have access to right now. We came as close as we could with Warpoints, because that's what logis do, and the repair tool BPO. Hey Darth :) You are right, I haven't spent time enough time on the game/forums recently to be properly across the CPM's position on this event. This post is a response to the 'big picture' issue. As someone who has been desperate for a logi event my whole dust life- its really disappointing. Yep, I hear the limitation and constraints of events being tied to missions now days- and that we don't have logi specific missions (also disappointing but outside the scope of this thread).- and yeah you guys did the best you could do with the current mission set up. And lovely to have a BPO rep tool for those who want one. But the big picture point is- it just isn't good. As a logi event it misses the mark. As the first logi even in three years (or however long we have all been here).. It is a huge disappointment. Could we not have a little bit of attention from the developers and did something more than a 'glorified mission'? Like I said, there is existing stuff/data that may have been utilized. When the 'officer weapon naming' event was on the developers built something special especially for it. It just sux Darth :( xx ps. I read this thread and know that I have now become one of those complainers who I always hated- sad times. I try really hard and die.
Crazy Cat Lady Opus Arcana 297	Posted - 2015.11.20 02:09:00 - [25] - Quote Also, this. Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: We came as close as we could with Warpoints, because that's what logis do . I try really hard and die.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.11.20 02:25:00 - [26] - Quote Crazy Cat Lady wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Cat, if you had read anything the CPM have been saying, you'd know that we literally can't make logi specific missions. To do so would require programming completely new missions, and that would take more time and resources than we have access to right now. We came as close as we could with Warpoints, because that's what logis do, and the repair tool BPO. Hey Darth :) You are right, I haven't spent time enough time on the game/forums recently to be properly across the CPM's position on this event. This post is a response to the 'big picture' issue. As someone who has been desperate for a logi event my whole dust life- its really disappointing. Yep, I hear the limitation and constraints of events being tied to missions now days- and that we don't have logi specific missions (also disappointing but outside the scope of this thread).- and yeah you guys did the best you could do with the current mission set up. And lovely to have a BPO rep tool for those who want one. But the big picture point is- it just isn't good. As a logi event it misses the mark. As the first logi even in three years (or however long we have all been here).. It is a huge disappointment. Could we not have a little bit of attention from the developers and did something more than a 'glorified mission'? Like I said, there is existing stuff/data that may have been utilized. When the 'officer weapon naming' event was on the developers built something special especially for it. It just sux Darth :( xx ps. I read this thread and know that I have now become one of those complainers who I always hated- sad times. No, we really could not. The CPM expressed our disappointment in the conditions at the moment but there is a lot going on behind the scenes. Any time and effort we would have taken to make this event awesome would have delayed Warlords 1.3, so we opted for that to take priority. Namely because - and there are no promises being made here - there is an opportunity to include more with the Daily Mission system and address some of these issues, in theory. With this event we did what we could with what we had. As stated previously the CPM expressed disappointment because of the conditions and we really wanted this to have more, but this is what we had to sign off on for technical reasons. Reading through your original post and subsequent posts, I can say this: - Your ideas are noted and your feedback is highly valuable. - The 'algorithms' that CCP use to track things like that back in day (prior to the Daily Mission system) were all done manually. That is painstakingly arduous and difficult and is why it took so long for rewards to be given for events in the past. I hope that offers a bit of enlightenment. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Imperium Eden 4	Posted - 2015.11.20 03:08:00 - [27] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Cat, if you had read anything the CPM have been saying, you'd know that we literally can't make logi specific missions. To do so would require programming completely new missions, and that would take more time and resources than we have access to right now. I don't mean this as a "why can't I have ice cream with my pizza and my robot that gives oral pleasure?!" It is an honest question: "Why doesn't DUST have the time or resources to do that kind of programming?" Again, I truly am curious. What is causing these limitations? (I mean in a large scope sense, not as a "well, they are working on 1.3") "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
JudgeIsABadPilot Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 96	Posted - 2015.11.20 07:36:00 - [28] - Quote You knew it wasn't a logi event when they didn't say you could only participate in the event in a logi suit, using equipment. 10/10 for failure. I've been boycotting this game for many months. You're all late to the party.
Aeon Amadi 13	Posted - 2015.11.20 09:47:00 - [29] - Quote JudgeIsABadPilot wrote: You knew it wasn't a logi event when they didn't say you could only participate in the event in a logi suit, using equipment. 10/10 for failure. Run for CPM. Give it a go. Let us know how that works out for you. Negative Introspection - Aeon's CPM Blog Skype: nomistrav
Varoth Drac Dead Man's Game 2	Posted - 2015.11.20 10:00:00 - [30] - Quote I hope that after missions 2.0 in release 1.3 we could maybe have another logi event at some point with more equipment based challenges.



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