the new kick reductiion bonus on cal assaults doesnt seem strong enough. not nearly as strong as i'd like to see it. the difference between an unbonused RR and a bonused RR should be comparably obvious.

for example the clip size bonus on min assault is quite obvious with Cr compared to Cr on gal assault

or the new gal assault RoF bonus which is both visually and audibly noticeable.

when using the RR on cal assault, the kick reduction is not as pronounced as the other bonuses.

i'd like to go for 10% per level but 7% or 8% per level maybe enough. please look into this as the kick is still too much at range

Cause, nobody wants cal's to be an actual threat, that's why.

Ah sorry, I didn't just mean a threat, I meant actually viable for an FPS game standard, actually capable of doing what vet's tell ever you to do, PTFOs, Cal's never going to be competitive, not going to happen. Ever. Again.

What game are you all playing? The Cal Assault is the clear FOTM. Try fitting your suit different.

Lol, and yet there are still more Min, amarr, and Gal assault's on the battlefield compared to Cal. Don't even try that...

Gal Assaults sure, but Min and Amarr probably not. The CalAss bonus is good, especially considering they still have the reload bonus (which is definitely useful, coming from a Commando user.)

Right.... Cal isn't anywhere near FOTM, nothing Cal is, nor ever was. Cal still need's a lot of work to be viable to play the objective based game, otherwise, armor plating a cal is going to be the only way for them to be viable, which shouldn't be a thing.

They should change the bonus to spool time reduction of rail weaponry to 5% per level

I know I'm getting a bit off topic here, but It says in-game that Gallante assault suits get a 5% reduction to hip-fire kick and dispersion per level. Did that change somewhere? Because in my game it still says the above mentioned bonuses.


Now, to add to the discussion. The kick of the rail rifles is pretty bad, but that's also because the weapon has a tremendous amount of DPS, Range/Accuracy, and Damage per Mag (DPM). The kick is the weapons ONLY real drawback. To reduce the weapon's kick to an acceptable level ( I am agreeing that the kick on the RR is ridiculously high) is like trying to draw a fine line in the sand between balanced and downright broken. From my experience, however, I have found that the kick goes up over time as you fire the weapon. Perhaps a reduction in maximum kick and a reduction to wind up time is in order.

Right.... Cal isn't anywhere near FOTM, nothing Cal is, nor ever was. Cal still need's a lot of work to be viable to play the objective based game, otherwise, armor plating a cal is going to be the only way for them to be viable, which shouldn't be a thing.

They haven't updated the in game descriptions yet.

Despite what people say about the RR's DPS, or damage per mag, or even accuracy, the RR has the lowest damage output of all rifles. This is made up for by its range. What has NOT been looked at is weapon "accuracy". Accuracy is a combination of dispersion and recoil. We've asked for a more in depth explanation of how they relate and affect each other in the past.

What can be said now is that RR dispersion growth rate is neglible. It has almost no dispersion. It's recoil, however, is almost solely responsible for the RR perceived poor accuracy. It's so high that it range you end up missing shots even when trying to fire in controlled bursts. Even the officer RR is bad.

The goal is to have the RR's recoil low enough that you can empty 2/3 to 3/4 of the clip before you start missing shots due to recoil.

Something else to consider is reducing the penalties to dispersion or recoil due to movement. Trying to shoot right after sprinting will give the worst accuracy possible.

That's why I'd prefer it to be a charge time reduction to the RR specifically, like how it is on the Gallente's ROF bonus. Recoil should be the RR's only drawback on the suit, and to solve the issue the ability to feather the gun and shoot it fast enough so that we aren't always gimped by using it, prior to the RR's recoil dampening skill on the cal suit, the RR has (at least to my eye's and use) okay recoil, kinda feels like your firing a .308 out of scar H in another game I play.

The main issue with caldari weapon is charge time, and a skill on the assault that reduces that number, something that actually help's us, as a Gal's ROF bonus clearly helps them, that's what's actually needed as a Caldari Assault Bonus, not some recoil dampening skill that has no meaning if you can't charge it up fast enough to even deal damage, not something that where if your enemy is peeking around corners, and you cant damage him because hes slipping in and out.

Cal Assault's aren't OP, because if they were, a lot of player's would be wearing them more than the amarr or gallente, it is still extremely rare to see a Caldari yet alone a caldari assault and to say they're over powered is merely you trying to insist that the placebo given to us, is just you trying to insure that no matter what, that everywhere in the game, long range included, that armor still out powers shield's. And so far, I've seen, and done just that.

EDIT: And 1st of all because Kaizuka Sniper wear's a caldari assault, doesn't mean hes using it in CQC fights, more than likely hes using it for the reload bonus (In other word's for sniping, and its dampening power)

2nd, all because 1 guy decides to go 1 way, doesn't mean we should follow him around like hes actually important to us, he's another player, just like the rest of us, if he decides to go a certain direction with his SP sinks, doesn't mean squat to us and it shouldn't, it just mean's he's decided to go that way - In relation's to an older comment.

Gal bonus: Hip fire spread reduction & Rof= Spray and Pray they go great with each other!
Cal bonus: Faster reload&Recoil reduction= Longer range were kick is not a problem? Just let off te ******* trigger....Now reload is nice as cal is known for there low dt! So thats nice! but other that they really dont go compliment each other at 70m nothing is going to kill you..Snipers and forges dont count lol

if you have to switch between multiple targets, youll lose a lot of time due to the charge up delay. so you want to hold down the trigger for as long as you can manage. at longer range, the kick IS a problem

every time you let off the trigger youll suffer the charge up delay. 0.45 seconds is a couple hundred hp worth of free damage the enemy can do to you while charging up. if you pre charge or fire then youll have even less time to actually hit anything before kick gets out of control. you want less downtime? then not needing to let off the trigger every 28 rounds is the best way by reducing kick

add in that the RR dps is lower than other rifles and higher damage per shot means that you dont want shots missing as it can lead to targets escaping with 10 or 20 hp left.

Here's the thing, if recoil is heavy, that mean's you're going to miss a lot of shot's, feathering the gun firing 10-15 rounds per every, say, .20 second's, that still give's the enemy time to do damage, which is the main issue with the gun, and if that's still not enough, we can always nerf the magazine capacity and give it another draw back, I wouldn't mind, but that charge time really hurt's cal's bad, and almost give's people a free kill at CQC and allow me to state this once, the recoil may be bad, but by no mean's is this gun truly relegated to long range, it can be effective at CQC, the only reason you wouldn't WANT to bring into CQC, is because of it's ROF, but that's not the issue, CT is