Why do people say "get a friend" and "you shouldn't be able to solo a tank"? This game is 16 vs 16 and having a tank shouldn't be the same as having extra players IMO. If it's a laser rifle vs a shotgunner at 2 meters, who wins? Bring the right gun to the fight. Stop expecting to be pampered for "spending more ISK and SP". Who agrees?

Why do people say "get a friend" and "you shouldn't be able to solo a tank"? This game is 16 vs 16 and having a tank shouldn't be the same as having extra players IMO. If it's a laser rifle vs a shotgunner at 2 meters, who wins? Bring the right gun to the fight. Stop expecting to be pampered for "spending more ISK and SP". Who agrees?

I solo tanks all the time with a Kubos plc and packed lai dais on my gal scout. What's the problem?

Issue is that tank wasnt defo full of hardeners and was not a proto XD

Why do people say "get a friend" and "you shouldn't be able to solo a tank"? This game is 16 vs 16 and having a tank shouldn't be the same as having extra players IMO. If it's a laser rifle vs a shotgunner at 2 meters, who wins? Bring the right gun to the fight. Stop expecting to be pampered for "spending more ISK and SP". Who agrees?

It's a freakin tank , it should be strong to a certain extent .

ITT: AV baddies who think running away is op.

people run double hardeners because you have to, you can't viably run anything else

I solo tanks all the time with a Kubos plc and packed lai dais on my gal scout. What's the problem?

Tanks are supposedly impossible to kill because they have 2 hardeners active

now until it is viable to have just a single hardener active that's how it's going to be. we also have horid blaster accuracy

And anyone who wants thier lockon weapon to do as much dps or more now needs to leave, you are the cancer killing all vehicle gameplay in games. (planetside 2 isn't as bad)
go fly an incubus and tell me how useless your hardener is.

While I won't say that tanks aren't difficult to take down solo or there are some issues with hardener timers, often times destroying one isn't exactly needed.

While I haven't played much since the latest patch, just a few games, I personally didn't have as much trouble with tanks. If it's a rail or missile tank, I generally move along mostly ignoring it as the threat is minimal.

Blasters on the other hand can be a threat but very limited to certain maps in their total effectiveness. But let's make something clear here, driving a tank off is just as good as killing it.

Given the costs of a proto tanks, terribly sorry but I honestly can't say that a single AV wielder should have the ability to control the entire field on their own.


This all said, I played a few games, one in my FG fit and another in my tank.

There were 2 tanks out as I was running a cal forger. Focusing on the sweet spot and utilizing AV nades I was able to kill a STD maddie. The gunnie on the other hand took a bit more work (missiles anyways, didn't even need to bother). But I did manage to keep the thing on it's toes, forcing it to move and never allowing it camp a point.

The match I ran my maddie in, I started out cal assault (dom). Made several kills but my team was weak and unable to make a push on the point. It was a fairly open point so I called down some muscle. I was the only tank to come down so the enemy was not expecting what was about to happen.

Roll into the backside, 8 red dots nice and grouped around a CRU. Made a few kills, broke up their momentum and let my blue dots move in and mop up and flip the point. Kept this up for a few minutes until the AV came out and forced me to play it safe. Almost got me a few times but I managed to keep them pushed back. Though I had boots on the ground picking off the somewhat defenseless AV guys.

In the end though, my team just wasn't up to snuff and I resorted to taking pop shots from the back and at the very end was forced to retreat by another tank.


All in all though, I think if you play it smart, AV can have the upper hand. Though if you expect to sit on a roof top and shoot at a tank, you won't ever do anything more than be a nuisance. Throw a little effort behind your weapon and you can solely keep a tank suppressed and ineffective.

The issue here is the swarms. Forge gun might be a tad OP at A/V if combined with Lai Dai's

Why do people say "get a friend" and "you shouldn't be able to solo a tank"? This game is 16 vs 16 and having a tank shouldn't be the same as having extra players IMO. If it's a laser rifle vs a shotgunner at 2 meters, who wins? Bring the right gun to the fight. Stop expecting to be pampered for "spending more ISK and SP". Who agrees?

I cant believe people are still saying this, tanks in the real world are very vulnerable in the field to all sorts of things, we're talking getting one shotted from kilometers away by hand held munitions, even worse if you start bringing things like close air support, artillery, other tanks, and mobile launchers. Not to mention theres all sorts of non-lethal things you can do, from shitting up their ability to see with a molotov cocktail to ******* up their tracks and immobilizing them.

Meanwhile DUST tanks roll around with zero fear of anything that isnt another tank or 3+ AV players with an entire game to hunt down a single tank thats just going to withdraw and snipe from the readline in one of the most asymetrical matchups in this game while the AV players' team loses because they are effectively down 3 players.

Stop saying "its a freakin tank".

Tanks arent invincible in the real world, the reason tanks are useful is because they are fast, mobile, and have a big ******* gun mounted on them, not because they are unkillable.

That being said modern tanks too can fire and can annihilate whole infantry groups much more easily with a wide variety of projectiles and weapons systems from greater distances that most hand held anti vehicle weapons can achieve.

Half large turret damage to infantry torsos.

Modern AV can one shot a tank. I'd love to be able to one shot those OP tankers for a while. Make PLC do 10,000 damage for a while? No? Don't ask for modern tanks unless you want modern AV.

Forge is not OP at all.

Speed of sentinel + Charge rate < Tank speed + hardener + repair

I mean if you want to compare to real life then we should kill 1 shot as well, let's not pick and choose

It's a video game.

https://youtu.be/eQlOZQ5oqas
Nuff said.

Then why say in real life tanks can be dealt with by 1 guy? Like I said don't pick and choose..want to use that then we should kill 1 shot then we can talk otherwise people need to stop using real life to pick and choose which parts they want.."well in real life I could destroy a tank with an RPG so we should be able to in dust as well, you die 1 shot irl but I don't want that in dust"..

It has the potential too certainly however various types of newly developed reactive Armour systems and the well known TROPHY system are designed to defend against such instances though they are of course no garuntee for the crews who inhabit tanks.

However it is worth noting that most weapons system that you are likely to reference are forms of guided rockets that detonate above the tank itself targeting the weaker armour. Morewover such HE weapons do not have the same penetrative power as the KEP (Kinetic Energy Penetrator) otherwise known as te APFSDS round (armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot).

In terms of the New Eden setting however I would argue that offensive and defensive technologies are in very close competition with weapons systems as powerful as they are still requiring numerous shots of successful penetrate and severely damage larger vehicles.

Sadly Dust 514 doesn't do many things relating to tanks well.... if they did a few things better I don't think we'd have half so many balance problems. All I want is for there to be variation in HAV builds allowing players you create attacking vehicles from lightly armoured scout tanks to heavy main battle tanks that can take a beating. I'd also like HAV to have weapons reflecting the raw power of the vehicle primarily NOT designed to target infantry requiring players to make use of Small Turrets and Gunners.