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Union118
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:36:00 -
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I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:50:00 -
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Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive.
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Ahkhomi Cypher
Opus Arcana
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:52:00 -
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He stupid.
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Union118
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:53:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive.
It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms?
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Artemis Hyde
Vader's-Fist
The Empire of New Eden
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Posted - 2015.10.10 19:57:00 -
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:07:00 -
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Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
You have to watch your wording with a request like this. The best thing to do is to remove squads from Public Contracts, not teams.
Removing teams would bring about a free-for-all mode which does not work with this game given all of the different roles people play. The most obvious example would be a dedicated Logi whose primary focus is on assisting teammates as opposed to slaying redberries. |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:08:00 -
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Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms?
Because I actually have friends that I like to play with.
Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together.
Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you?
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:14:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you?
Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC.
Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you. |
Union118
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:24:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you?
Its not that but the fact that match making is so broken where its teams vs randoms. Iv played 9 matches today back to back and my team in each game lost horribly. Each match was one sided and you cant blame me for not wanting to keep playing this game when all we do is lose. Who wants to play a game like that. The fun is drained. Why cant i play other solo players who dont want a huge force of opposition. 1v1 is a lot more fun.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:55:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you? Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC. Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you.
The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that.
You can't throw anything back at me, I've played solo many times and I've been in a squad many times. I've played this game for years now, the fact is I have the option to either go in solo or play in a squad. I did just fine when I first started and I started playing solo since I hadn't found a corp yet. I think my K/D was 1.5ish initially too.
I do just fine doing either, but I enjoy the company of my friends more then just flying by myself. You have the same option as everyone else, learn how to play solo better if that's all you want to do.
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Kaltos Darksbane
Shadow Wolves Inc.
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:57:00 -
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Instead of taking out squads i would suggest bringing back corp battles.
And put in a spectator mode where us random nobodies can place bets.
If you don't receive the answer you want please be patient, my "F**k's Given" dispenser is broke.
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:06:00 -
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Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you? Its not that but the fact that match making is so broken where its teams vs randoms. Iv played 9 matches today back to back and my team in each game lost horribly. Each match was one sided and you cant blame me for not wanting to keep playing this game when all we do is lose. Who wants to play a game like that. The fun is drained. Why cant i play other solo players who dont want a huge force of opposition. 1v1 is a lot more fun.
I suggest getting friend, get in a corp, get better, or go play call of duty. This isn't that kind of game.
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Booby Tuesdays
Bad Mother Thukkers
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:11:00 -
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I would just make Domination (or Ambush) a solo player only game mode. It's the worst game mode, and could be fixed by making it solo players only, imo.
Half Assed Forum Warrior - Half Decent Commando - Damn Good Logi - Matari Freedom Fighter lvl 8
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:27:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you? Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC. Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you. The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that. You can't throw anything back at me, I've played solo many times and I've been in a squad many times. I've played this game for years now, the fact is I have the option to either go in solo or play in a squad. I did just fine when I first started and I started playing solo since I hadn't found a corp yet. I think my K/D was 1.5ish initially too. I do just fine doing either, but I enjoy the company of my friends more then just flying by myself. You have the same option as everyone else, learn how to play solo better if that's all you want to do.
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you. |
Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:49:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you.
How can there constantly be new people finding and playing the game to get "slaughtered" if the player base is shrinking? Not to mention, if they get ganged up by squads, wouldn't that give them an incentive to join one? You know, they don't even have to join on, just help their team! Find a blueberry and work with them.
Why even have a team? Why not just suggest a free for all mode? Heck, I'd go for that, just have 32 vs, every man for himself. There's no point in having a team if your not going to try to work together to win.
The thing is, pubs are the only way to get a steady flow of isk. PC's don't happen as frequently, and FW is primarily loyalty point gain.
I don't know how to tell you this, but your int he minority. The majority of this game is played by people who run together and squad up with the friends they make. Wanting them to change the entire set of public game modes to suit what you want, being the minority, is what's selfish and shortsighted.
How long has this game been running with squads being in public matches? Why do you think there hasn't been a high demand to make it a no squad zone?
You know what, this is a petition page, so you just go ahead and see how many people you can get on board with you, match that against the active players on any day, then let the numbers speak for themselves c:
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Death Shadow117
Wolf Pack Special Forces
Rise Of Legion.
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:55:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive.
that's why we need a solo mode so we can have to option to fight squads or fight soloers. |
Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:08:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you.
How can there constantly be new people finding and playing the game to get "slaughtered" if the player base is shrinking? Not to mention, if they get ganged up by squads, wouldn't that give them an incentive to join one? You know, they don't even have to join on, just help their team! Find a blueberry and work with them. Why even have a team? Why not just suggest a free for all mode? Heck, I'd go for that, just have 32 vs, every man for himself. There's no point in having a team if your not going to try to work together to win. The thing is, pubs are the only way to get a steady flow of isk. PC's don't happen as frequently, and FW is primarily loyalty point gain. I don't know how to tell you this, but your int he minority. The majority of this game is played by people who run together and squad up with the friends they make. Wanting them to change the entire set of public game modes to suit what you want, being the minority, is what's selfish and shortsighted. How long has this game been running with squads being in public matches? Why do you think there hasn't been a high demand to make it a no squad zone? You know what, this is a petition page, so you just go ahead and see how many people you can get on board with you, match that against the active players on any day, then let the numbers speak for themselves c:
The fact that this game can't field full teams is a clear indication that the playerbase is shrinking. For every newberry that joins this game there is going to be another newberry that says "**** this game".
This game has been running with squads in Public Contracts since its inception but look at where that has brought this game. There are just as many forum posts from people describing this game as a "dying game" as there are posts requesting that squads be removed from Public Contracts.
CCP can make more money if they set it up so that more players are willing to commit to this game instead of quitting within a month.
People who come to this game because it is free most likely will have no intention on spending any money on Aurum right off the bat. If CCP can get more newberries to commit to this game they will be setting themselves up for a greater and more continuous stream of revenue through the purchase of Aurum; newberries will eventually fall to the urge to purchase aurum so long as they play the game long enough to reach that point. |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:17:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:
The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that.
Yeah , how's that going champ .?. compared to the number of people that actually have a PS3 versus the numbers of those that actually play THIS game ???
All I see are the same people and their ALT's , yeah you might get a few from EVE in the translation but even most of them quit from the B.S that's in this game .
A lot of the people that play this game know nothing about the forums unless their computer literate or the newsletter so again , the same people and their ALT's .
Keep thinking the way that you do , it sounds like CCP thinks the same .. probably why they just don't care to address the real issues of the game and keep changing things that really don't need changing or regressing things that are already at a disadvantage .
People still are buying PS3's now because it's cheep now even though they know how old it is and how Sony is talking about discontinuing support to an extent , why .?. because there are a lot of poor people in the world and they use games as a form of entertainment and relaxation .
I can say with a straight face that they would find none of that if they downloaded this game in the state that it's in at the moment .
I'm NOT for what the OP suggested , I already said my piece about that but something needs to be done because clearly those who have trample those that don't and it's far from balanced .
It's like people maxing out their warbarge and they don't even know what's going to be placed in the next nodes .
Crazy and a cash grab , good luck grabbing from such a low player count because your driving away players and are not attracting anyone to replace those who are leaving . Good luck with that one .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Mortishai Belmont
G.L.O.R.Y
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:18:00 -
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Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you.
How can there constantly be new people finding and playing the game to get "slaughtered" if the player base is shrinking? Not to mention, if they get ganged up by squads, wouldn't that give them an incentive to join one? You know, they don't even have to join on, just help their team! Find a blueberry and work with them. Why even have a team? Why not just suggest a free for all mode? Heck, I'd go for that, just have 32 vs, every man for himself. There's no point in having a team if your not going to try to work together to win. The thing is, pubs are the only way to get a steady flow of isk. PC's don't happen as frequently, and FW is primarily loyalty point gain. I don't know how to tell you this, but your int he minority. The majority of this game is played by people who run together and squad up with the friends they make. Wanting them to change the entire set of public game modes to suit what you want, being the minority, is what's selfish and shortsighted. How long has this game been running with squads being in public matches? Why do you think there hasn't been a high demand to make it a no squad zone? You know what, this is a petition page, so you just go ahead and see how many people you can get on board with you, match that against the active players on any day, then let the numbers speak for themselves c: The fact that this game can't field full teams is a clear indication that the playerbase is shrinking. For every newberry that joins this game there is going to be another newberry that says "**** this game". This game has been running with squads in Public Contracts since its inception but look at where that has brought this game. There are just as many forum posts from people describing this game as a "dying game" as there are posts requesting that squads be removed from Public Contracts. CCP can make more money if they set it up so that more players are willing to commit to this game instead of quitting within a month. People who come to this game because it is free most likely will have no intention on spending any money on Aurum right off the bat. If CCP can get more newberries to commit to this game they will be setting themselves up for a greater and more continuous stream of revenue through the purchase of Aurum; newberries will eventually fall to the urge to purchase aurum so long as they play the game long enough to reach that point.
You know, even if it was the best idea ever in the history of ever, and 100,000 people signed up in here... I doubt that would be enough to sway CCP :/
I wouldn't mind if they added in a mode to facilitate that kind of game play. As long as you don't touch my skirmish or dom with that insanity I'll be just fine. If they would do it with ambush I think it would be perfect, since no one is relying on the team to hold a position and it's all about the kills.
For modes like skirmish or domination, it's impractical. Your team is supposed to be holding a point or taking one, it's bad enough with the idiots wandering off by themselves into empty space on the field now.
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:38:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you.
How can there constantly be new people finding and playing the game to get "slaughtered" if the player base is shrinking? Not to mention, if they get ganged up by squads, wouldn't that give them an incentive to join one? You know, they don't even have to join on, just help their team! Find a blueberry and work with them. Why even have a team? Why not just suggest a free for all mode? Heck, I'd go for that, just have 32 vs, every man for himself. There's no point in having a team if your not going to try to work together to win. The thing is, pubs are the only way to get a steady flow of isk. PC's don't happen as frequently, and FW is primarily loyalty point gain. I don't know how to tell you this, but your int he minority. The majority of this game is played by people who run together and squad up with the friends they make. Wanting them to change the entire set of public game modes to suit what you want, being the minority, is what's selfish and shortsighted. How long has this game been running with squads being in public matches? Why do you think there hasn't been a high demand to make it a no squad zone? You know what, this is a petition page, so you just go ahead and see how many people you can get on board with you, match that against the active players on any day, then let the numbers speak for themselves c: The fact that this game can't field full teams is a clear indication that the playerbase is shrinking. For every newberry that joins this game there is going to be another newberry that says "**** this game". This game has been running with squads in Public Contracts since its inception but look at where that has brought this game. There are just as many forum posts from people describing this game as a "dying game" as there are posts requesting that squads be removed from Public Contracts. CCP can make more money if they set it up so that more players are willing to commit to this game instead of quitting within a month. People who come to this game because it is free most likely will have no intention on spending any money on Aurum right off the bat. If CCP can get more newberries to commit to this game they will be setting themselves up for a greater and more continuous stream of revenue through the purchase of Aurum; newberries will eventually fall to the urge to purchase aurum so long as they play the game long enough to reach that point. You know, even if it was the best idea ever in the history of ever, and 100,000 people signed up in here... I doubt that would be enough to sway CCP :/ I wouldn't mind if they added in a mode to facilitate that kind of game play. As long as you don't touch my skirmish or dom with that insanity I'll be just fine. If they would do it with ambush I think it would be perfect, since no one is relying on the team to hold a position and it's all about the kills. For modes like skirmish or domination, it's impractical. Your team is supposed to be holding a point or taking one, it's bad enough with the idiots wandering off by themselves into empty space on the field now.
I will agree that Skirmish matches would be better with squads. My vision is to have all Proto/Officer Gear removed from Public Contracts and have that gear reserved for FW and PC. In addition I would also like squads removed from Public Contracts.
The problem I see though is that when newberries do decide to squad up in FW they would have had no experience truly running with a squad and now all of a sudden they are facing squads of Proto.
Skirmish would serve well as a stepping stone to learning how to really run as a squad without getting completely slaughtered by squads of Proto (this would be the case so long as Proto/Officer Gear are removed from Public Contracts).
When it comes to Domination I am going to stay out of it because I hate Domination and decisions for that should be left to people who actually give a crap about that gamemode. I personally am all about that Acquisition. |
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:38:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote: Your team is supposed to be holding a point or taking one, it's bad enough with the idiots wandering off by themselves into empty space on the field now.
This is NOT a team based game because squads dictate what happens in-game , hell for the most part I can't even have a day where every team that I'm placed on is full much less staying to play when they see these same people from well known corporations that they know , treating pub matches like PC events .
Pub matches are played like squad cups by these same and that's why these same are always up in arms claiming that , " It's my friends that keep me playing this game ." , well that's screwing up the whole make up of balance for everyone else .
Squads dictate what happens in game .
Squads decide who win or loose .
People see certain squads in-game and they quit because they already know the behavior of these same people .
Team has zero to do in any of those instances and it's time that this game becomes the TEAM based game that it was advertised to be not a squad domination project .
The community as a whole SHOULD be more important then friendly squads or dominate corporations that ruin the experience for most .
Team SHOULD be bigger then squad but it's not and those who play the game know better , I wouldn't expect forum warriors to understand such because most of them don't play the game anymore but they can come to the forums , look at the charts and numbers and tell you what's wrong with the game without even playing a match .
The community needs to take this game back from those that are ruining it for everyone else because those that are running it are making no effort to change the game for the better , they fight change tooth and nail and use their friends as an excuse for everything that's wrong with the game while killing any potential that this game has .
Of course it's hard for the same people that act in such a game breaking manner to understand , hell their the one's that are ruining it for everyone else . Of course they wouldn't understand .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.10.10 23:32:00 -
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If squads decide who wins or loses, better get in a good one.
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
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Posted - 2015.10.10 23:42:00 -
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That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
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Posted - 2015.10.10 23:58:00 -
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want.
Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP.
So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight.
Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted.
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shanghili
Random Gunz
Rise Of Legion.
79
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Posted - 2015.10.11 00:22:00 -
[25] - Quote
is it so hard for you to not play a single game without those greenberries helping you and gaining more wp from that defend order?
"what's your name"?
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HOWDIDHEKILLME
Dying to Reload
1
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Posted - 2015.10.11 00:23:00 -
[26] - Quote
Totally agree with to OP. Elite corps with much more knowledge of the game taking full advantage of every aspect of the game will make any new player wonder wtf just happened.
Example... A sentinel with low scan will see a dampened assault coming a mile away because the logi on his squad equipped precision enhancement. Had he been solo he would have been surprised.
This may be a team based game but squads are not necessary to be on a team.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Four Horseman Tactical Agency
2
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Posted - 2015.10.11 00:41:00 -
[27] - Quote
Press Attache wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted.
I'm not even going to go back and forth with you because that will prove nothing , I have stated my case and if you don't like or respect it then that's how the world goes but it's not my goal to convince you about anything .
Good Day sir .
Teamwork is really important - said the Tyrannosarus Rex from Kung Fury .
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
1
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Posted - 2015.10.11 01:14:00 -
[28] - Quote
Press Attache wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted.
You clearly have no idea what we are pushing for.
I am in no way against team work but I am against your view. Squads rarely work with the team they are assigned to and you prove that by thinking that removing squads means you are no longer a part of a team.
Can I afford Proto Gear? My wallet is currently sitting at just under 40 million ISK. I have all Proto Gallente Suits with 91 Proto Galmandos in stock, 88 Proto GalSentinels in stock, 141 Proto GalLogis in stock, 54 Proto GalAssaults in stock, and 125 Proto GalScouts in stock. I am pretty sure I have the means to run Proto whenever I feel like.
As for me getting my @$$ whipped for not running in a squad or using Proto Gear let's take a look at my stats for today. I just checked and I have played 14 matches today: 11 wins and 3 losses. Not only did I score at the top of the leaderboards in damn near all those matches but I did this running solo every match and only using a 'Quafe' Assault Rifle and a Standard Ion Pistol for a sidearm.
This is the fit I have been using today which is also the main fit I use in this game:
'APEX' Spartan Assault
'Roden' GA-M Skin
'Quafe' Assault Rifle
'Wildlight' Ion Pistol
'Shroud' M1 Locus Grenade
K17/D Nanohive (R)
Krin's LEX-71 Damage Modifier
Complex Precision Enhancer
'Kinesis' Basic Shield Extender
Federation Basic Armor Plates
2x 'Nacre' Basic Reactive Plates
Complex Profile Dampener
Complex Armor Repairer
And trust me when I say I have battled my fair share of Proto today.
I might receive an @$$ whippin every now and then but I am confident that I am doing pretty well in this game and I am sure my success has a lot to do with the fact that in the year and a half that I have played this game I not once ever allowed myself to become dependent on a squad.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
16
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Posted - 2015.10.11 01:45:00 -
[29] - Quote
Convert Ambush to solo queue.
Voila!
Dropsuit Usage Rates
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
1
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Posted - 2015.10.11 02:19:00 -
[30] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Convert Ambush to solo queue.
Voila!
I would prefer Acquisition. |
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
793
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Posted - 2015.10.11 02:34:00 -
[31] - Quote
I like playing with my friends.
Chatting up casually while busting skulls in pubs helps me settle down after a long day at work..
I don't mind going solo from time to time, but removing squads from pubs will make me quite sad.
No soup for you -1
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS
PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH
ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
793
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Posted - 2015.10.11 02:36:00 -
[32] - Quote
Adipem Nothi wrote:Convert Ambush to solo queue.
Voila!
Yup, that seems like a fair move..
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS
PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH
ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
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jdom503
Horizons' Edge
22
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Posted - 2015.10.11 03:27:00 -
[33] - Quote
I run solo a lot and oddly that's when I get the majority of my wins. Gotta stay versatile and adapt to what's being thrown at you. If you have a good logi setup and you see a lack of logi support just find the guy doing the most damage to the other team and help him deal more. If you are in a match with an over abundance of logis then run a fit that can deal damage. Stay with the pack as long as the battle is close or in your favor. If it goes sour run links on the flanks far enough away that they don't get camped right off the bat. If they bring out proto and officer gear only run what you afford to loose. Don't run your proto into the ground trying to fight a loosing cause just do what you have to do to get wp. Also if playing dom bring a fast moving link runner to start. If you're fast enough then you can drop links in prime positions and gain the upper hand. Just remember if you change out right away and don't have links on what you change to then you won't have those links anymore. And the most important thing to remember is that it's just a game, don't get to worked up over it. Have fun and go teabag someone instead of loosing it. I've seen really good players just loose it and not perform up to what their capable of. |
Starlight Burner
Titans of Phoenix
Damage LLC
542
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Posted - 2015.10.11 05:36:00 -
[34] - Quote
Where else can I play with my friends and make isk at the same time?
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QRT30
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
132
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Posted - 2015.10.11 06:04:00 -
[35] - Quote
Nobody like you and you have to play solo. Other players have friends 
QRT30 - open beta vet with +115 mln SP
QRT300 - Amarr
Trolling prof. 5
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CUSE TOWN333
Capital Acquisitions LLC
3
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Posted - 2015.10.11 06:06:00 -
[36] - Quote
Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. go play Call of Duty single player campaign mode if you want to run solo. Dust ain't for that solo life unless you are good enough to handle yourself. Why play a online game alone.
actions speak louder then words.
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Union118
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
732
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Posted - 2015.10.11 06:15:00 -
[37] - Quote
Idc if no one likes me on this game. All my friends moved on to different games. I play solo cuz i literally have no choice. I dont have a corp either and the ones that play PC and FW dont want my application.
Im a decent player and i would complain if i could get better matches that are not so one sided. I like playing fair and going 1v1. You cant blame me for wanting a solution to better game play
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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jane stalin
free dropships for newbs
468
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Posted - 2015.10.11 07:16:00 -
[38] - Quote
Union118 wrote:Idc if no one likes me on this game.
You cant blame me for wanting a solution to better game play
Lots of other people want a solution to the game as well.
However there are many players that are sure that you get supposed to get a squad of good players and run proto in pubs
AND have CCP magically make the game balanced, they never propose how this should happen.
Unfortunately I think you will have to learn to put up with lopsided games.
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Summa Militum
Art.of.Death
1
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Posted - 2015.10.11 08:24:00 -
[39] - Quote
Starlight Burner wrote:Where else can I play with my friends and make isk at the same time?
You don't.
I am editing this because I just remembered that earlier today I rationalized why keeping squads in Skirmish would be a good idea. When it comes to Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition I feel that squads should be removed.
You can make ISK with your friends playing Skirmish. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
6
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Posted - 2015.10.11 08:29:00 -
[40] - Quote
Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
"Change the game because it doesn't suit my personal playstyle. Please remove teams so the game is easier for my personally."
"That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati
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KGB Sleep
1
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Posted - 2015.10.11 12:07:00 -
[41] - Quote
Why so many ppl asking to change pubs, ask for a new game type to select. Pubs with squads aren't going away.
Because beer, that's why.
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Press Attache
The Office of The Attorney General
200
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Posted - 2015.10.11 13:36:00 -
[42] - Quote
Pokey Dravon wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. "Change the game because it doesn't suit my personal playstyle. Please remove teams so the game is easier for my personally."
QFT
Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
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Sardonk Eternia
Tiny Universe
376
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Posted - 2015.10.20 04:22:00 -
[43] - Quote
Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you? Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC. Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you. The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that. You can't throw anything back at me, I've played solo many times and I've been in a squad many times. I've played this game for years now, the fact is I have the option to either go in solo or play in a squad. I did just fine when I first started and I started playing solo since I hadn't found a corp yet. I think my K/D was 1.5ish initially too. I do just fine doing either, but I enjoy the company of my friends more then just flying by myself. You have the same option as everyone else, learn how to play solo better if that's all you want to do.
Wow you really got sucked in by this troll, huh?
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Jalame La Bola
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2015.10.20 04:37:00 -
[44] - Quote
There should be solo queue contracts.
Mamenme El Bicho.
Mami's a hurricane, you should see the way she blow me.
Hecho en Puerto Pobre.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.20 04:38:00 -
[45] - Quote
remove squads from pub matches already
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
Check RND out here
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
13
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Posted - 2015.10.20 05:18:00 -
[46] - Quote
Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
I think we should force everyone into squads in every match.
I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW.
I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win.
I don't see why it would be a problem.
Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_;
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2015.10.20 05:21:00 -
[47] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. I think we should force everyone into squads in every match. I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW. I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win. I don't see why it would be a problem.
Ahh but disorganized randoms vs disorganized randoms may actually be a fun match instead of highly skilled, organized squad vs highly noob, "organized" squad
"Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit"
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
215
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Posted - 2015.10.20 05:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
If you're asking for the removal of squads in pubs to make the learning experience less traumatic for new players, then I'm sorta-kinda with you. I've said before that established players in Dust have a few too many advantages on top of the normal game knowledge advantages that are to be expected in any multiplayer game. Removing squads would be my last choice, but a choice none the less. However, I wouldn't support something as broad as 'all pubs'. Ambush has been suggested - and assuming a new game-mode doesn't come around - would be good.
I think a couple of you are suggesting the removal of squads in pubs because you like to run solo, or you attribute match-leaving to the presence of certain squads. If players are already leaving matches because they see some formidable names on the enemy team, knowing that they're squadded up or not probably won't change that behavior. It'll be less likely to happen, but queue-syncing has and always will be a thing in this type of game, so removing squads doesn't even guarantee a fix. It also ignores the fact that every other fps has a squad mechanic of some sort or another. If match-leaving and lop-sided battles are a fairly unique problem to Dust, it's unlikely that they're being caused by something that isn't unique. A matchmaker struggling with a low player pool? Maybe. Huge differences in the effectiveness of the gear you can run? Maybe. The fact that players can squad up with friends just as they could in every other FPS? Probably not.
The most OP thing in any multiplayer game is teamwork. Nothing is going to change that, but the great thing about it is that anyone can learn it and participate in it. A good solo player can learn to read and predict what's happening with their team and adjust their decisions accordingly. Playing solo in a multiplayer game is also kind like setting it to hardcore mode, and really shouldn't be done unless you can handle it. A new player with even a little bit of initiative can find a squad to run with and just be told what to do and where to go, they'll be teamworking and they don't even have to know how. If all your friends have left Dust, find some new people to run with. If you can't find anyone that you get along with well enough to squad up with, well I don't think that's a reason to ask for the complete removal of squads in the casual game-modes.
Something is killing new player retention.
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QRT30
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
133
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Posted - 2015.10.20 09:16:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ydubbs81 RND wrote:remove squads from pub matches already
Add link to TETRIS for noobs (0/20 etc) who can't play FPS
QRT30 - open beta vet with +120 mln SP
QRT300 - Amarr
Trolling prof. 5
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Rinzler XVII
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
381
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Posted - 2015.10.20 09:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
Press Attache wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted.
4 man squad in a team 16 isn't teamwork it's squad work, these same squads only comm in squad so please explain how 25% of a team using teamwork is.teamwork
Remove 4 man squads and have 16 ppl using teamwork.. Your argument is flawed as you don't have to be in a squad to use.teamwork
I Fight for the User
It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
215
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Posted - 2015.10.20 10:12:00 -
[51] - Quote
Rinzler XVII wrote:Press Attache wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted. 4 man squad in a team 16 isn't teamwork it's squad work, these same squads only comm in squad so please explain how 25% of a team using teamwork is.teamwork Remove 4 man squads and have 16 ppl using teamwork.. Your argument is flawed as you don't have to be in a squad to use.teamwork
(Sorry if English isn't your first language)
Instead of arguing over semantics, why don't you just say clearly what you want?
'Change default voice comms to team rather than squad so the different squads and solo players within a team can plan and organize'
It's actually not a terrible idea if that's what you're getting at, and I can see having a pretty positive effect on team-play. Of course there's always going to be a few idiots who won't shut up but that's what we've got a mute player function for. To extend it further you could just have squad leaders in there (& their own squads channel, don't know if having 2 voice channels active at once is possible) along with the solo players so it doesn't get too noisy while still letting squad members chat among each other.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
786
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:17:00 -
[52] - Quote
Everyone has a hard time understanding a mode or a system for just solo players. Sometimes solo players just want to play other solo players. People with teams can go play against teams. This isnt a big deal. Both play styles can be implemented.
The solo players can play in smaller maps with less players on both sides like 8 v 8 or 6 v 6 no teams just run n gun. As for the teams they can play 16 v 16. Like i said it wont kill anyone to have a system in place for just the solo croud.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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gekko k
Grundstein Automation
Property of Negative-Impact
109
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Posted - 2015.10.20 13:23:00 -
[53] - Quote
I would play a solo mode without squads exclusively. |
Powerh8er
Ancient Exiles.
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
938
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Posted - 2015.10.20 14:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
If ya insist on being a lonewolf you better harden up. -1
And you will know me by the trail of vomit.
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Union118
TH3 STRUGGL3
786
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Posted - 2015.10.20 15:39:00 -
[55] - Quote
Powerh8er wrote:If ya insist on being a lonewolf you better harden up. -1
Its not bad being a lone wolf but its not all the time. Would be nice to play with other soloists every now n then.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Michael Arck
6
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Posted - 2015.10.20 15:42:00 -
[56] - Quote
Wow, what a full circle.
Remember when squad play was encouraged for Pubs? CCP introduced SF to resounding joy. Now people don't want squads in pubs, the staple of FPS online play.
Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah
*Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Viktor Hadah Jr
0uter.Heaven
9
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Posted - 2015.10.20 15:59:00 -
[57] - Quote
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190025&find=unread
I'm kind of a big deal.
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
1
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:02:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. I think we should force everyone into squads in every match. I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW. I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win. I don't see why it would be a problem.
What are your thoughts on removing squads from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but keeping squads in Skirmish? |
The Sloth Overlord
Intergalactic 4Chan Black Market
11
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:49:00 -
[59] - Quote
When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? |
TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
RUST415
507
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:50:00 -
[60] - Quote
Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
Your joking right? |
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
1
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:52:00 -
[61] - Quote
The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers?
What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches? |
Mobius Wyvern
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
7
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:59:00 -
[62] - Quote
Summa Militum wrote:The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches?
Why are we considering penalizing people who like to play together?
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The Sloth Overlord
Intergalactic 4Chan Black Market
11
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:01:00 -
[63] - Quote
Summa Militum wrote:The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches?
Skirmish is really the only one I enjoy, but if it was the only pub with squads, it would feel a little strange and much more strange to new players. Plus if skirmish was the only one with squads, the protostompers would q sync in mass, and ruin the game mode for everyone. |
Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
1
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches? Why are we considering penalizing people who like to play together?
Because there are people who are deliberately ruining NPE for their own "sh!ts-n-giggles". Something needs to be done to help new players out and to allow those casual players to actually play casually.
I'm compromising by saying that I feel squads should be removed from at least two of the gamemodes. |
Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:21:00 -
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The Sloth Overlord wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches? Skirmish is really the only one I enjoy, but if it was the only pub with squads, it would feel a little strange and much more strange to new players. Plus if skirmish was the only one with squads, the protostompers would q sync in mass, and ruin the game mode for everyone.
We can leave Domination with squads as well and then they will continue to q-sync in droves there. Domination is a lost cause. |
LOL KILLZ
LulKlz
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:24:00 -
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Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
Or you can use your God-given Brain and use tactics as a solo player to help the people around you.
I know. It's mind-blowing stuff.
And you don't want teams in pubs so you can kill but here is a revelation. You will be beat down more.
All those slayers will no longer care about the squad and hunt you down relentlessly for +50.
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Union118
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:07:00 -
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LOL KILLZ wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. Or you can use your God-given Brain and use tactics as a solo player to help the people around you. I know. It's mind-blowing stuff. And you don't want teams in pubs so you can kill but here is a revelation. You will be beat down more. All those slayers will no longer care about the squad and hunt you down relentlessly for +50.
You say that like i dont help my team... Iv done plenty for my team. Iv laid links, repped and pick up others, use AV and snipe as a last resort. But im not a army i cant be everywhere at the same time to suppress the enemy team. People play differently on a team than solo. Playing solo on 1v1 is a lot more fun.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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The Sloth Overlord
Intergalactic 4Chan Black Market
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Posted - 2015.10.20 20:55:00 -
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Union118 wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. Or you can use your God-given Brain and use tactics as a solo player to help the people around you. I know. It's mind-blowing stuff. And you don't want teams in pubs so you can kill but here is a revelation. You will be beat down more. All those slayers will no longer care about the squad and hunt you down relentlessly for +50. You say that like i dont help my team... Iv done plenty for my team. Iv laid links, repped and pick up others, use AV and snipe as a last resort. But im not a army i cant be everywhere at the same time to suppress the enemy team. People play differently on a team than solo. Playing solo on 1v1 is a lot more fun.
And that's why we should have one player fighting one other player on giant empty maps? Because you expect you should be able to fill every roll? |
Union118
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Posted - 2015.10.20 21:10:00 -
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The Sloth Overlord wrote:Union118 wrote:LOL KILLZ wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. Or you can use your God-given Brain and use tactics as a solo player to help the people around you. I know. It's mind-blowing stuff. And you don't want teams in pubs so you can kill but here is a revelation. You will be beat down more. All those slayers will no longer care about the squad and hunt you down relentlessly for +50. You say that like i dont help my team... Iv done plenty for my team. Iv laid links, repped and pick up others, use AV and snipe as a last resort. But im not a army i cant be everywhere at the same time to suppress the enemy team. People play differently on a team than solo. Playing solo on 1v1 is a lot more fun. And that's why we should have one player fighting one other player on giant empty maps? Because you expect you should be able to fill every roll?
No but anyone who has been playing this game long enough should know when to switch roles and be able to help when its obvious to switch that roll. Like getting redlined by tanks and dropships. While the rest provide support instead of running infantry at a wall or red dots.
Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
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Balistyc Farshot
MONSTER SYNERGY
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Posted - 2015.10.20 22:31:00 -
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Long and the short of it here.
If you remove squads, people will be forced to play together with people they don't know. Add isk to FW and the public contracts can become free for all without a squad.
If I didn't have my squad mates, I agree it gets tougher. Even the reduction to 4 from 6 is felt.
I like being in a squad because teams can be so toxic because like reservoir dogs, you have a group of a-holes who all want to be Mr Black and no one will back down because they don't know each other.
So this would make it easier on the solo players. If they did this, they need to fix the team chat, vc, and making squads in battle. Maybe even throw back in the WB for say 60 seconds. Then those who will organize can.
Would that be tolerable? Squad become team in pubs, FW gets isk. Done and done right?
"Dying with your rep tool out - the logi-flasher!"
Who hasn't been caught by a cute little female scout doing this?
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Operative 1174 Uuali
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
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Posted - 2015.10.21 00:31:00 -
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Correction, no premade squads in pubs. That and a matchmaking algorithm that separates individuals (as much as possible based on population logged on at the time) who have a history of grouping together is enough to make it work and still have some semblance of geoup effort to win the match.
CCP logic GÇô We fix what doesn't need breaking.
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Shaun Iwairo
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.10.21 00:42:00 -
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Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Correction, no premade squads in pubs. That and a matchmaking algorithm that separates individuals (as much as possible based on population logged on at the time) who have a history of grouping together is enough to make it work and still have some semblance of geoup effort to win the match.
Wow you're not even trying to hide the fact that you want squads gone because there's some people in the game that have mastered their squad play and you don't like it.
There's other ways to encourage team-play over squad play without just straight up removing pre-made squads. Team VC. Squad-leader VC. Team-wide orders. Team commander position. The more you keep ignoring the alternatives the more it looks like you want squads gone because you want the game brought down to your level.
Something is killing new player retention.
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Summa Militum
Abstract Requiem
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Posted - 2015.10.21 01:20:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Correction, no premade squads in pubs. That and a matchmaking algorithm that separates individuals (as much as possible based on population logged on at the time) who have a history of grouping together is enough to make it work and still have some semblance of geoup effort to win the match. Wow you're not even trying to hide the fact that you want squads gone because there's some people in the game that have mastered their squad play and you don't like it. There's other ways to encourage team-play over squad play without just straight up removing pre-made squads. Team VC. Squad-leader VC. Team-wide orders. Team commander position. The more you keep ignoring the alternatives the more it looks like you want squads gone because you want the game brought down to your level.
I want squads gone so the game can be brought up to my level.  |
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