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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:07:00 -
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Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem.
You have to watch your wording with a request like this. The best thing to do is to remove squads from Public Contracts, not teams.
Removing teams would bring about a free-for-all mode which does not work with this game given all of the different roles people play. The most obvious example would be a dedicated Logi whose primary focus is on assisting teammates as opposed to slaying redberries. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.10 20:14:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you?
Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC.
Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.10 21:27:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Union118 wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:-1
Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you? Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC. Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you. The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that. You can't throw anything back at me, I've played solo many times and I've been in a squad many times. I've played this game for years now, the fact is I have the option to either go in solo or play in a squad. I did just fine when I first started and I started playing solo since I hadn't found a corp yet. I think my K/D was 1.5ish initially too. I do just fine doing either, but I enjoy the company of my friends more then just flying by myself. You have the same option as everyone else, learn how to play solo better if that's all you want to do.
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you. |
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:08:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you.
How can there constantly be new people finding and playing the game to get "slaughtered" if the player base is shrinking? Not to mention, if they get ganged up by squads, wouldn't that give them an incentive to join one? You know, they don't even have to join on, just help their team! Find a blueberry and work with them. Why even have a team? Why not just suggest a free for all mode? Heck, I'd go for that, just have 32 vs, every man for himself. There's no point in having a team if your not going to try to work together to win. The thing is, pubs are the only way to get a steady flow of isk. PC's don't happen as frequently, and FW is primarily loyalty point gain. I don't know how to tell you this, but your int he minority. The majority of this game is played by people who run together and squad up with the friends they make. Wanting them to change the entire set of public game modes to suit what you want, being the minority, is what's selfish and shortsighted. How long has this game been running with squads being in public matches? Why do you think there hasn't been a high demand to make it a no squad zone? You know what, this is a petition page, so you just go ahead and see how many people you can get on board with you, match that against the active players on any day, then let the numbers speak for themselves c:
The fact that this game can't field full teams is a clear indication that the playerbase is shrinking. For every newberry that joins this game there is going to be another newberry that says "**** this game".
This game has been running with squads in Public Contracts since its inception but look at where that has brought this game. There are just as many forum posts from people describing this game as a "dying game" as there are posts requesting that squads be removed from Public Contracts.
CCP can make more money if they set it up so that more players are willing to commit to this game instead of quitting within a month.
People who come to this game because it is free most likely will have no intention on spending any money on Aurum right off the bat. If CCP can get more newberries to commit to this game they will be setting themselves up for a greater and more continuous stream of revenue through the purchase of Aurum; newberries will eventually fall to the urge to purchase aurum so long as they play the game long enough to reach that point. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.10 22:38:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Summa Militum wrote:
This game might be free but the playerbase is shrinking. Too many newberries get slaughtered repeatedly by squads gaining up on them and they end up losing any desire to play this game.
Even full squads of veterans actively quit matches when they see they are up against certain squads that would pose as a challenge to them.
Squading up is fine but it should be restricted to FW and PC matches. Pubs should be left squad free to help provide the conditions needed for a newberry to actually commit to this game.
We need to focus on sustaining this game by increasing the playerbase. That is not going to happen if CCP focuses on appeasing unreasonably selfish and shortsighted people like you.
How can there constantly be new people finding and playing the game to get "slaughtered" if the player base is shrinking? Not to mention, if they get ganged up by squads, wouldn't that give them an incentive to join one? You know, they don't even have to join on, just help their team! Find a blueberry and work with them. Why even have a team? Why not just suggest a free for all mode? Heck, I'd go for that, just have 32 vs, every man for himself. There's no point in having a team if your not going to try to work together to win. The thing is, pubs are the only way to get a steady flow of isk. PC's don't happen as frequently, and FW is primarily loyalty point gain. I don't know how to tell you this, but your int he minority. The majority of this game is played by people who run together and squad up with the friends they make. Wanting them to change the entire set of public game modes to suit what you want, being the minority, is what's selfish and shortsighted. How long has this game been running with squads being in public matches? Why do you think there hasn't been a high demand to make it a no squad zone? You know what, this is a petition page, so you just go ahead and see how many people you can get on board with you, match that against the active players on any day, then let the numbers speak for themselves c: The fact that this game can't field full teams is a clear indication that the playerbase is shrinking. For every newberry that joins this game there is going to be another newberry that says "**** this game". This game has been running with squads in Public Contracts since its inception but look at where that has brought this game. There are just as many forum posts from people describing this game as a "dying game" as there are posts requesting that squads be removed from Public Contracts. CCP can make more money if they set it up so that more players are willing to commit to this game instead of quitting within a month. People who come to this game because it is free most likely will have no intention on spending any money on Aurum right off the bat. If CCP can get more newberries to commit to this game they will be setting themselves up for a greater and more continuous stream of revenue through the purchase of Aurum; newberries will eventually fall to the urge to purchase aurum so long as they play the game long enough to reach that point. You know, even if it was the best idea ever in the history of ever, and 100,000 people signed up in here... I doubt that would be enough to sway CCP :/ I wouldn't mind if they added in a mode to facilitate that kind of game play. As long as you don't touch my skirmish or dom with that insanity I'll be just fine. If they would do it with ambush I think it would be perfect, since no one is relying on the team to hold a position and it's all about the kills. For modes like skirmish or domination, it's impractical. Your team is supposed to be holding a point or taking one, it's bad enough with the idiots wandering off by themselves into empty space on the field now.
I will agree that Skirmish matches would be better with squads. My vision is to have all Proto/Officer Gear removed from Public Contracts and have that gear reserved for FW and PC. In addition I would also like squads removed from Public Contracts.
The problem I see though is that when newberries do decide to squad up in FW they would have had no experience truly running with a squad and now all of a sudden they are facing squads of Proto.
Skirmish would serve well as a stepping stone to learning how to really run as a squad without getting completely slaughtered by squads of Proto (this would be the case so long as Proto/Officer Gear are removed from Public Contracts).
When it comes to Domination I am going to stay out of it because I hate Domination and decisions for that should be left to people who actually give a crap about that gamemode. I personally am all about that Acquisition. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.11 01:14:00 -
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Press Attache wrote:Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed .
Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted.
You clearly have no idea what we are pushing for.
I am in no way against team work but I am against your view. Squads rarely work with the team they are assigned to and you prove that by thinking that removing squads means you are no longer a part of a team.
Can I afford Proto Gear? My wallet is currently sitting at just under 40 million ISK. I have all Proto Gallente Suits with 91 Proto Galmandos in stock, 88 Proto GalSentinels in stock, 141 Proto GalLogis in stock, 54 Proto GalAssaults in stock, and 125 Proto GalScouts in stock. I am pretty sure I have the means to run Proto whenever I feel like.
As for me getting my @$$ whipped for not running in a squad or using Proto Gear let's take a look at my stats for today. I just checked and I have played 14 matches today: 11 wins and 3 losses. Not only did I score at the top of the leaderboards in damn near all those matches but I did this running solo every match and only using a 'Quafe' Assault Rifle and a Standard Ion Pistol for a sidearm.
This is the fit I have been using today which is also the main fit I use in this game:
'APEX' Spartan Assault 'Roden' GA-M Skin
'Quafe' Assault Rifle 'Wildlight' Ion Pistol 'Shroud' M1 Locus Grenade
K17/D Nanohive (R)
Krin's LEX-71 Damage Modifier Complex Precision Enhancer 'Kinesis' Basic Shield Extender
Federation Basic Armor Plates 2x 'Nacre' Basic Reactive Plates Complex Profile Dampener Complex Armor Repairer
And trust me when I say I have battled my fair share of Proto today.
I might receive an @$$ whippin every now and then but I am confident that I am doing pretty well in this game and I am sure my success has a lot to do with the fact that in the year and a half that I have played this game I not once ever allowed myself to become dependent on a squad.
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.11 02:19:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Convert Ambush to solo queue.
Voila!
I would prefer Acquisition. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.11 08:24:00 -
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Starlight Burner wrote:Where else can I play with my friends and make isk at the same time?
You don't.
I am editing this because I just remembered that earlier today I rationalized why keeping squads in Skirmish would be a good idea. When it comes to Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition I feel that squads should be removed.
You can make ISK with your friends playing Skirmish. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.20 16:02:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Union118 wrote:I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo.
I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. I think we should force everyone into squads in every match. I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW. I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win. I don't see why it would be a problem.
What are your thoughts on removing squads from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but keeping squads in Skirmish? |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.20 17:52:00 -
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The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers?
What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches? |
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Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:19:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches? Why are we considering penalizing people who like to play together?
Because there are people who are deliberately ruining NPE for their own "sh!ts-n-giggles". Something needs to be done to help new players out and to allow those casual players to actually play casually.
I'm compromising by saying that I feel squads should be removed from at least two of the gamemodes. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.20 18:21:00 -
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The Sloth Overlord wrote:Summa Militum wrote:The Sloth Overlord wrote:When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit.
Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers? What are your thoughts on if squads were removed from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but squads were still allowed in Skirmish matches? Skirmish is really the only one I enjoy, but if it was the only pub with squads, it would feel a little strange and much more strange to new players. Plus if skirmish was the only one with squads, the protostompers would q sync in mass, and ruin the game mode for everyone.
We can leave Domination with squads as well and then they will continue to q-sync in droves there. Domination is a lost cause. |
Summa Militum
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Posted - 2015.10.21 01:20:00 -
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Shaun Iwairo wrote:Operative 1174 Uuali wrote:Correction, no premade squads in pubs. That and a matchmaking algorithm that separates individuals (as much as possible based on population logged on at the time) who have a history of grouping together is enough to make it work and still have some semblance of geoup effort to win the match. Wow you're not even trying to hide the fact that you want squads gone because there's some people in the game that have mastered their squad play and you don't like it. There's other ways to encourage team-play over squad play without just straight up removing pre-made squads. Team VC. Squad-leader VC. Team-wide orders. Team commander position. The more you keep ignoring the alternatives the more it looks like you want squads gone because you want the game brought down to your level.
I want squads gone so the game can be brought up to my level. |
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