DUST Search - Petition: No teams in pub matches

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

Summa Militum wrote:

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

Union118 wrote:

Mortishai Belmont wrote:

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Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive.

It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms?

Because I actually have friends that I like to play with.

Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together.

Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you?

Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC.

Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you.

The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that.

You can't throw anything back at me, I've played solo many times and I've been in a squad many times. I've played this game for years now, the fact is I have the option to either go in solo or play in a squad. I did just fine when I first started and I started playing solo since I hadn't found a corp yet. I think my K/D was 1.5ish initially too.

I do just fine doing either, but I enjoy the company of my friends more then just flying by myself. You have the same option as everyone else, learn how to play solo better if that's all you want to do.

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ROMULUS H3X research lab 793	Posted - 2015.10.11 02:34:00 - [31] - Quote I like playing with my friends. Chatting up casually while busting skulls in pubs helps me settle down after a long day at work.. I don't mind going solo from time to time, but removing squads from pubs will make me quite sad. No soup for you -1 FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
ROMULUS H3X research lab 793	Posted - 2015.10.11 02:36:00 - [32] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Convert Ambush to solo queue. Voila! Yup, that seems like a fair move.. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS PLASMA/PISTOL/PUNCH ALL OF YOU PUNKS GET HUMILIATED AFTER LUNCH!
jdom503 Horizons' Edge 22	Posted - 2015.10.11 03:27:00 - [33] - Quote I run solo a lot and oddly that's when I get the majority of my wins. Gotta stay versatile and adapt to what's being thrown at you. If you have a good logi setup and you see a lack of logi support just find the guy doing the most damage to the other team and help him deal more. If you are in a match with an over abundance of logis then run a fit that can deal damage. Stay with the pack as long as the battle is close or in your favor. If it goes sour run links on the flanks far enough away that they don't get camped right off the bat. If they bring out proto and officer gear only run what you afford to loose. Don't run your proto into the ground trying to fight a loosing cause just do what you have to do to get wp. Also if playing dom bring a fast moving link runner to start. If you're fast enough then you can drop links in prime positions and gain the upper hand. Just remember if you change out right away and don't have links on what you change to then you won't have those links anymore. And the most important thing to remember is that it's just a game, don't get to worked up over it. Have fun and go teabag someone instead of loosing it. I've seen really good players just loose it and not perform up to what their capable of.
Starlight Burner Titans of Phoenix Damage LLC 542	Posted - 2015.10.11 05:36:00 - [34] - Quote Where else can I play with my friends and make isk at the same time? CEO of Arrary of Clusters, a close relations corporation Caldari Factional Warfare, enlist today! Thank you for DUST
QRT30 Made in Poland... E-R-A 132	Posted - 2015.10.11 06:04:00 - [35] - Quote Nobody like you and you have to play solo. Other players have friends QRT30 - open beta vet with +115 mln SP QRT300 - Amarr Trolling prof. 5
CUSE TOWN333 Capital Acquisitions LLC 3	Posted - 2015.10.11 06:06:00 - [36] - Quote Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. go play Call of Duty single player campaign mode if you want to run solo. Dust ain't for that solo life unless you are good enough to handle yourself. Why play a online game alone. actions speak louder then words.
Union118 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 732	Posted - 2015.10.11 06:15:00 - [37] - Quote Idc if no one likes me on this game. All my friends moved on to different games. I play solo cuz i literally have no choice. I dont have a corp either and the ones that play PC and FW dont want my application. Im a decent player and i would complain if i could get better matches that are not so one sided. I like playing fair and going 1v1. You cant blame me for wanting a solution to better game play Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
jane stalin free dropships for newbs 468	Posted - 2015.10.11 07:16:00 - [38] - Quote Union118 wrote: Idc if no one likes me on this game. You cant blame me for wanting a solution to better game play Lots of other people want a solution to the game as well. However there are many players that are sure that you get supposed to get a squad of good players and run proto in pubs AND have CCP magically make the game balanced, they never propose how this should happen. Unfortunately I think you will have to learn to put up with lopsided games.
Summa Militum Art.of.Death 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 08:24:00 - [39] - Quote Starlight Burner wrote: Where else can I play with my friends and make isk at the same time? ~~You don't.~~ I am editing this because I just remembered that earlier today I rationalized why keeping squads in Skirmish would be a good idea. When it comes to Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition I feel that squads should be removed. You can make ISK with your friends playing Skirmish.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations 6	Posted - 2015.10.11 08:29:00 - [40] - Quote Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. "Change the game because it doesn't suit my personal playstyle. Please remove teams so the game is easier for my personally." "That little sh*t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati

KGB Sleep 1	Posted - 2015.10.11 12:07:00 - [41] - Quote Why so many ppl asking to change pubs, ask for a new game type to select. Pubs with squads aren't going away. Because beer, that's why.
Press Attache The Office of The Attorney General 200	Posted - 2015.10.11 13:36:00 - [42] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. "Change the game because it doesn't suit my personal playstyle. Please remove teams so the game is easier for my personally." QFT Forum representative for Mr. Hybrid Vayu: The Attorney General.
Sardonk Eternia Tiny Universe 376	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:22:00 - [43] - Quote Mortishai Belmont wrote: Summa Militum wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: Union118 wrote: Mortishai Belmont wrote: -1 Asking to take away multiplayer options from a multiplayer game is counter productive. It doesnt change anything cuz its still multi players vs multi players. Why do you care if its randoms vs randoms? Because I actually have friends that I like to play with. Is it just too hard for you to fight against people running as a team? No one is stopping you from going solo, why would everyone else be forced to do so? Most people have friends or are at the very least sociable, also it's beneficial to play together. Why would CCP take that away, because it makes the game too hard for you? Because it can prolong the life of the game by giving newberries less of a reason to quit. Squads should only be used in FW and obviously PC. Also, I can easily throw right back at you that the reason you don't want squads removed is because then it would make the game too hard for you. The game will be played as long as it's free, CCP doesn't have to worry about that. You can't throw anything back at me, I've played solo many times and I've been in a squad many times. I've played this game for years now, the fact is I have the option to either go in solo or play in a squad. I did just fine when I first started and I started playing solo since I hadn't found a corp yet. I think my K/D was 1.5ish initially too. I do just fine doing either, but I enjoy the company of my friends more then just flying by myself. You have the same option as everyone else, learn how to play solo better if that's all you want to do. Wow you really got sucked in by this troll, huh? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!
Jalame La Bola Shining Flame Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:37:00 - [44] - Quote There should be solo queue contracts. Mamenme El Bicho. Mami's a hurricane, you should see the way she blow me. Hecho en Puerto Pobre.
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 04:38:00 - [45] - Quote remove squads from pub matches already "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution 13	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:18:00 - [46] - Quote Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. I think we should force everyone into squads in every match. I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW. I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win. I don't see why it would be a problem. Re-Retired PC Scout. I miss the old days ;_; Wanna play EVE? 30 day trial here
Ydubbs81 RND Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 4	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:21:00 - [47] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. I think we should force everyone into squads in every match. I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW. I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win. I don't see why it would be a problem. Ahh but disorganized randoms vs disorganized randoms may actually be a fun match instead of highly skilled, organized squad vs highly noob, "organized" squad "Bring out mass drivers & jump around goddamit" Check RND out here
Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 215	Posted - 2015.10.20 05:30:00 - [48] - Quote If you're asking for the removal of squads in pubs to make the learning experience less traumatic for new players, then I'm sorta-kinda with you. I've said before that established players in Dust have a few too many advantages on top of the normal game knowledge advantages that are to be expected in any multiplayer game. Removing squads would be my last choice, but a choice none the less. However, I wouldn't support something as broad as 'all pubs'. Ambush has been suggested - and assuming a new game-mode doesn't come around - would be good. I think a couple of you are suggesting the removal of squads in pubs because you like to run solo, or you attribute match-leaving to the presence of certain squads. If players are already leaving matches because they see some formidable names on the enemy team, knowing that they're squadded up or not probably won't change that behavior. It'll be less likely to happen, but queue-syncing has and always will be a thing in this type of game, so removing squads doesn't even guarantee a fix. It also ignores the fact that every other fps has a squad mechanic of some sort or another. If match-leaving and lop-sided battles are a fairly unique problem to Dust, it's unlikely that they're being caused by something that isn't unique. A matchmaker struggling with a low player pool? Maybe. Huge differences in the effectiveness of the gear you can run? Maybe. The fact that players can squad up with friends just as they could in every other FPS? Probably not. The most OP thing in any multiplayer game is teamwork. Nothing is going to change that, but the great thing about it is that anyone can learn it and participate in it. A good solo player can learn to read and predict what's happening with their team and adjust their decisions accordingly. Playing solo in a multiplayer game is also kind like setting it to hardcore mode, and really shouldn't be done unless you can handle it. A new player with even a little bit of initiative can find a squad to run with and just be told what to do and where to go, they'll be teamworking and they don't even have to know how. If all your friends have left Dust, find some new people to run with. If you can't find anyone that you get along with well enough to squad up with, well I don't think that's a reason to ask for the complete removal of squads in the casual game-modes. Something is killing new player retention.
QRT30 Made in Poland... E-R-A 133	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:16:00 - [49] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: remove squads from pub matches already Add link to TETRIS for noobs (0/20 etc) who can't play FPS QRT30 - open beta vet with +120 mln SP QRT300 - Amarr Trolling prof. 5
Rinzler XVII Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 381	Posted - 2015.10.20 09:30:00 - [50] - Quote Press Attache wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed . Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted. 4 man squad in a team 16 isn't teamwork it's squad work, these same squads only comm in squad so please explain how 25% of a team using teamwork is.teamwork Remove 4 man squads and have 16 ppl using teamwork.. Your argument is flawed as you don't have to be in a squad to use.teamwork I Fight for the User It's a shame that my user sucks at DUST

Shaun Iwairo DUST University Ivy League 215	Posted - 2015.10.20 10:12:00 - [51] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Press Attache wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: That doesn't solve the problem , only adds to it and that type of thinking is flawed . Well considering that both you and the OP are complaining about gear and teamwork both being problems, maybe you should both mosey on over to a free for all game without passive stats, since that is the type of game you want. Edit: especially since both of you have been around long enough to have proto just from passive SP. So its not the gear, but your inability to afford to go hard. And it's not the squad on the other side making youlose, but your refusal to squad up and actually fight. Don't want to get in a squad or run the proto? Don't complain about getting fisted. 4 man squad in a team 16 isn't teamwork it's squad work, these same squads only comm in squad so please explain how 25% of a team using teamwork is.teamwork Remove 4 man squads and have 16 ppl using teamwork.. Your argument is flawed as you don't have to be in a squad to use.teamwork (Sorry if English isn't your first language) Instead of arguing over semantics, why don't you just say clearly what you want? 'Change default voice comms to team rather than squad so the different squads and solo players within a team can plan and organize' It's actually not a terrible idea if that's what you're getting at, and I can see having a pretty positive effect on team-play. Of course there's always going to be a few idiots who won't shut up but that's what we've got a mute player function for. To extend it further you could just have squad leaders in there (& their own squads channel, don't know if having 2 voice channels active at once is possible) along with the solo players so it doesn't get too noisy while still letting squad members chat among each other. Something is killing new player retention.
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 786	Posted - 2015.10.20 13:17:00 - [52] - Quote Everyone has a hard time understanding a mode or a system for just solo players. Sometimes solo players just want to play other solo players. People with teams can go play against teams. This isnt a big deal. Both play styles can be implemented. The solo players can play in smaller maps with less players on both sides like 8 v 8 or 6 v 6 no teams just run n gun. As for the teams they can play 16 v 16. Like i said it wont kill anyone to have a system in place for just the solo croud. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
gekko k Grundstein Automation Property of Negative-Impact 109	Posted - 2015.10.20 13:23:00 - [53] - Quote I would play a solo mode without squads exclusively.
Powerh8er Ancient Exiles. Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 938	Posted - 2015.10.20 14:37:00 - [54] - Quote If ya insist on being a lonewolf you better harden up. -1 And you will know me by the trail of vomit.
Union118 TH3 STRUGGL3 786	Posted - 2015.10.20 15:39:00 - [55] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: If ya insist on being a lonewolf you better harden up. -1 Its not bad being a lone wolf but its not all the time. Would be nice to play with other soloists every now n then. Starter Fit Suits are OP :-)
Michael Arck 6	Posted - 2015.10.20 15:42:00 - [56] - Quote Wow, what a full circle. Remember when squad play was encouraged for Pubs? CCP introduced SF to resounding joy. Now people don't want squads in pubs, the staple of FPS online play. Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
Viktor Hadah Jr 0uter.Heaven 9	Posted - 2015.10.20 15:59:00 - [57] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=190025&find=unread I'm kind of a big deal. Buying dead and inactive corporations
Summa Militum Abstract Requiem 1	Posted - 2015.10.20 16:02:00 - [58] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. I think we should force everyone into squads in every match. I think its a good idea cuz i like playing in groups. A lot of people do and teams can now be set even more easy for PC and FW. I don't want to play against a team of disorganized randoms who are always testing out stupid crap instead of trying to actually win. I don't see why it would be a problem. What are your thoughts on removing squads from Domination, Ambush, and Acquisition but keeping squads in Skirmish?
The Sloth Overlord Intergalactic 4Chan Black Market 11	Posted - 2015.10.20 17:49:00 - [59] - Quote When you get your way, and squads are removed from public contracts, I too will be removed... removing the game from my ps3 that is. This game is only fun when you have a friend ( an actual friend, not just some guy in your squad.), and F.W. is no place for casual players, plus you can't get enough loyalty points to sustain the use of a suit. Why should I be punished for the actions of proto stompers?
TIGER SHARK1501 Savage Bullet RUST415 507	Posted - 2015.10.20 17:50:00 - [60] - Quote Union118 wrote: I think its a good idea cuz i like playing solo. A lot of people do and teams can be set for PC and FW but pubs should just be players who wanna play solo. I dont want to play against a team with tactics because its boring. I want to play randoms who are always testing their skills and have fun. I dont see why it would be a problem. Your joking right?



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