Solution to scanner spam:

Gallente Genocide. The Garbage people make the Scanners. Make the Scanner Makers nonexistent to make the Scanner issue non-problematic.

The scanner spam is increasingly more and more ridiculous. Ideas on how to balance it? Raise scanner Cpu/pg cost to limit the ability to run multiple scanners? Reduce scan radius? Scanners only logi equipable? Im not sure what the answer is......but something needs to be done. Hopefully~

The scanner spam is increasingly more and more ridiculous. Ideas on how to balance it? Raise scanner Cpu/pg cost to limit the ability to run multiple scanners? Reduce scan radius? Scanners only logi equipable? Im not sure what the answer is......but something needs to be done. Hopefully~

The scanner spam is increasingly more and more ridiculous. Ideas on how to balance it? Raise scanner Cpu/pg cost to limit the ability to run multiple scanners? Reduce scan radius? Scanners only logi equipable? Im not sure what the answer is......but something needs to be done. Hopefully~

They should limit scanners to one per person. Permascanning could still occur but it would have to be a coordinated effort by at least two people.

How about everytime you get scanned, a blip appears of who scanned you on your TacNet. The blip will vary depending on your EWAR stats and it will range from direction indicator (if your EWAR stats are lacking) to a dot (best ewar stats). This will give you an indication of where you have been scanned from and who scanned you.

They should limit scanners to one per person. Permascanning could still occur but it would have to be a coordinated effort by at least two people.

Scanners are fine.

If everyone else is like me, they're using them more because people are whining about 'em just for spite :D

Scanners are fine.

If everyone else is like me, they're using them more because people are whining about 'em just for spite :D

Bump of this thread in the vain hopes something gets done.

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How about everytime you get scanned, a blip appears of who scanned you on your TacNet. The blip will vary depending on your EWAR stats and it will range from direction indicator (if your EWAR stats are lacking) to a dot (best ewar stats). This will give you an indication of where you have been scanned from and who scanned you.

Remove TEAM visualized scans. Make them only scannable for squad. This won't really mess with PCs and FW squads; definitely will help for pubs at least.

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

well, in the past, scouts used to also use their high slots to buff range and precision of passives - which they share with squad - instead of a stack of myo's.

ewar doesn't need a fix. It's the only counter available when fighting an army of damped jumping beans.

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

Oh, ya. When all of ya went to splashy, jumpy defenseless litte twitchy skitter-fits.

If you are spotted more than 20m out, you get melted by anyone with a gun game.

Perfect. Don't change a thing.

Scanners were never an issue when ttk was longer, and we fought from positions of cover. And flanked. And dropped links.

The way the maps are designed.

So ... Scout permascan was broken, but Logi permascan is fine. Because of myofibs.

Just so you know, dampened scouts usually dampen below 21dB permascan; fixing 21dB permascan won't have any effect whatsoever on countering them. The fact of the matter is that permascan -- in any form -- is bad for gameplay and bad for balance. We got rid of Scout permascan last year with good reason; the same reasoning absolutely applies to Logi permascan. To claim that one flavor permascan is overpowered while another is fine "because reasons" is a pretty obvious double standard, don't you think?

When was it so important - to so many of you - to avoid being seen?

Oh, ya. When all of ya went to splashy, jumpy defenseless litte twitchy skitter-fits.

If you are spotted more than 20m out, you get melted by anyone with a gun game.

Perfect. Don't change a thing.

Scanners were never an issue when ttk was longer, and we fought from positions of cover. And flanked. And dropped links.

The way the maps are designed.

In the wise words of all who defend the gal logi permascans. 'Git gud'.or you can just get a gallente scout at max level and a complex damp. Boom. Not scannable unless its a focused.

Dropping links, and flanking? What do you think the point of myofibs are? They are without a doubt the most essential mobility tool in the game for about 90% of the maps. They get the links where no one else can..

It's threads like this one that proves we need role tags.

Something tells me it's about 98% scouts agreeing with one another.

To sum up:
-scouts:waah,we can't be 100% stealthed godmode anymore...scanners should be nerfed!
-assaults:nah,you stay in your hole where you belong.
-logistics:i can't believe i'm about to say this but...i agree with the assaults.

Touch scanners,assaults get outclassed again.
/thread

Off on another scout witchhunt, eh? There's a shocker. Here are some facts:

Sub-21dB Scouts aren't magically held in check by 21dB active scans. They would not benefit at all from fixing 21dB permascan. Think about it. In what ways would fixing 21dB permascan affect sneaky, sub-21dB Scouts? The real winners here would be Assaults, who'll have the option to flank enemy positions without being painted to Team TacNet. Is that really so bad?

Shouldn't today's permascan be addressed for exactly the same reasons that scannerina-based permascan and Scout-based permascan were addressed? If permascan then was bad for gameplay and bad for balance, how is it that permascan now is not?

^ Every single one of my scouts Amarr, Cal, and Gal are 20db or below. This is a major buff to assaults and perhaps a slight buff to scouts. The Gal logi totally outclassed the Amarr scout which is the best Ewar scout, to maximise Ewar you need 2 precision and 2 damps and at least 1 kinkat I prefer 2 because it is the slowest scout in the game. The range of passive scans is 30 @ 18 db that's not even enough to scan the whole acid pit while the gal can hit the whole city. The amarr can get what the one guy running a scout instead of a shotty assault if he isn't damped enough.
30m range base HP scout vs 200m logi who has all his highs and lows available to him.

The scanner spam is increasingly more and more ridiculous. Ideas on how to balance it? Raise scanner Cpu/pg cost to limit the ability to run multiple scanners? Reduce scan radius? Scanners only logi equipable? Im not sure what the answer is......but something needs to be done. Hopefully~

I haven't been scanned at all the last 10 or so matches I've played.

Right now, one piece of equipment can force five slots worth of counter fitting per person... blah...

For me the annoying thing about active scanners is their range.

I would absolutely agree with the way scanners are working right now if their range was drastically reduced, to somewhere about 50 m for non-flux scanners. That way the scanner stops being an all-seeing eye and becomes a tool you use right before you assault an enemy position, or when you want to paint a specific target for your teammembers. At 50 meter range perma-scanning your environment is a much less desirable option because at any time somebody with a RR could just pick you off from a distance. On the other hand if you spotted a scout somewhere close you could still pull a focused scanner and aim it at where you last saw him to find out if he's still there.

50 meters for non-flux scanners is of course just a placeholder value. The important bit is that it's less than long-range rifle range and more than most passive scans. Could be 60 m just as well.

Another guy who has to have his whole game CQC, and invisible until he's within his short effective range.

OH, wait... there's a big alert that you've been scanned.

Might that not be an indicator to change your movement pattern?

How about you visually clear firing lanes before moving into open space - hmmm?

Have skills in any roles other than jumpy/spashy or ewar/shotty/knife? Try changing roles to adapt to your enemy.

Maybe that's where this desperation for scan nerfing comes from.

NO insight into the flow of battle or ability to adapt to it.

Another guy who has to have his whole game CQC, and invisible until he's within his short effective range.

OH, wait... there's a big alert that you've been scanned.

Might that not be an indicator to change your movement pattern?

How about you visually clear firing lanes before moving into open space - hmmm?

Have skills in any roles other than jumpy/spashy or ewar/shotty/knife? Try changing roles to adapt to your enemy.

Maybe that's where this desperation for scan nerfing comes from.

NO insight into the flow of battle or ability to adapt to it.

Two years ago, Scannerina Permascan: "Permascan is bad!"
One year ago, EWAR Scout Permascan: "Permascan is bad!"
This year, GalLogi Permascan: "Herp! Derp! Learn to adapt!"

The problem ,as I see it, isnt Gal logis or the abundance of them, Personally I only see them here and there. Its the abundance of scanners by all classes with no penalty whatsoever to fitting cost or restrictions at all.

If I wanted to fit a cloak on my assault I would have to sacrifice alot to fit it. Hence if anyone wants to cloak the obvious choice is a scout because of the fitting bonus.

The scanner should be the same way. Sure your assault or scout can run a scanner but you should sacrifice alot in PG/CPU to equip one.

in all seriousness... An active scanner should be ACTIVE meaning you're counter detectable as well as your blue dots that are damped. Meaning the asemetrical battle of passive occurs at the flank where it deserves to come back whilst being mindful not to light up your b berries.

Two years ago, Scannerina Permascan: "Permascan is bad!"
One year ago, EWAR Scout Permascan: "Permascan is bad!"
This year, GalLogi Permascan: "Herp! Derp! Learn to adapt!"

Personally, I completely agree that there needs to be something done about the permascans, but even you have to admit that today's landscape is much different from two, or even one year ago.

Two years ago, RRs, and CRs hadn't even dropped. A large portion of the playerbase was using ARs. A weapon not really suited for long-range combat, and TTK back then was a lot lower since anyone who basically wasn't beta either couldn't afford to, or didn't have the skills to run proto gear with maxed passives. This meant that ballerina scans made your team impossible to sneak up on, and as soon as you were spotted you were dead. You had the option of trying long-range, but you'd be really ineffective.

One year ago, the Permascan was passive, and on killers. This meant we had invisible monsters who could strike anywhere, and always know the position of every enemy. Not only did that allow them to pick off targets, it more importantly allowed them to completely evade every enemy. All of this, without even having to do anything, but give up a little EHP..... On a scout.

This year, the scout usage is down. There's a lot more long range battling, and jumping myos became a thing. The main reason that people are okay with current Permascan is because of the jumpers. It's one of the best ways to combat them. They picked what they feel is the larger of two evils. If jumping went away, you can bet more people would jump (no pun intended) on the "Permascan is bad!" bandwagon. Also, I seem to see a lot more hate for scouts these days than I ever used to, and I believe it's because so many people remember them being dominant. Now that they're in a more balanced place, people are afraid to let them rise up again.

Perhaps make any of the same scanner go into cool down after they are use.
Ex.
If you have 3 fluxes they all go into cool down after one scan however....
If you had 1 flux and 1 focused upon using the flux the focused would still be available for use.

They should apply the countdown before beeing able to use your scanner again to all scanners equipped. This way gal logis can have more than one (to adapt depending on the situation) but have to WAIT for the full cooldown of one to use the other.

2nd thing they should do is to remove directions. That is really OP and gives way too much informations on enemy positions.

Last (but not least !), scanning an area should only make snapshots of the enemy positions (every 3 seconds for example). For those who played CoD (I only played 4 and MW2so I don't know bout' others), something like the radar would be perfect.

In order to balance this, scanners should give 30 WP per scanned kill and apply to the whole team kills.

One of the more interesting proposals on scanners.

I think most people feel that they dont want scanners nerfed into oblivion but they are possibly a little too good in the right hands (Read Gall logi stacked with scanners)

Perhaps make any of the same scanner go into cool down after they are use.
Ex.
If you have 3 fluxes they all go into cool down after one scan however....
If you had 1 flux and 1 focused upon using the flux the focused would still be available for use.

They should apply the countdown before beeing able to use your scanner again to all scanners equipped. This way gal logis can have more than one (to adapt depending on the situation) but have to WAIT for the full cooldown of one to use the other.

2nd thing they should do is to remove directions. That is really OP and gives way too much informations on enemy positions.

Last (but not least !), scanning an area should only make snapshots of the enemy positions (every 3 seconds for example). For those who played CoD (I only played 4 and MW2so I don't know bout' others), something like the radar would be perfect.

In order to balance this, scanners should give 30 WP per scanned kill and apply to the whole team kills.